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How watered down should the glue be?
Should I dip the bases or can I brush it on?
Anything else?

Thanks for all the help]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6051190.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6051190.page GMT Sealing sand basing with water downed Elmer's Glue, what's the best way?
My advice would be to water it down severely like 5:1 ratio of water to glue.

Due note sometimes the watered glue will create a layer that will make the sand into one entire piece and come off over time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6051209.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6051209.page GMT Sealing sand basing with water downed Elmer's Glue, what's the best way?
I spray matte varnish on mine with my airbrush.

I have used watered down glue...you want it pretty liquid, I would say MRPYM's ratio is pretty good...do some tests and see what works for you.
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Between those four layers it seems to hold the sand on quite well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6052199.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6052199.page GMT Sealing sand basing with water downed Elmer's Glue, what's the best way? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6053421.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6053421.page GMT Re:Sealing sand basing with water downed Elmer's Glue, what's the best way? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6053527.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6053527.page GMT Sealing sand basing with water downed Elmer's Glue, what's the best way? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6054013.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6054013.page GMT Sealing sand basing with water downed Elmer's Glue, what's the best way?
 Todosi wrote:
I base my models first, then prime them. The primer holds the basing on just fine.

Likewise.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6054309.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6054309.page GMT Sealing sand basing with water downed Elmer's Glue, what's the best way? It will allow it to better cover the sand and lock it down (it will lock each grain with every other, and the lot into one whole. Rather than just a surface coat over the top layer of grains).

Surfactants lower surface tension - you could use rinse aid, detergent, windex, etc.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6054355.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6054355.page GMT Sealing sand basing with water downed Elmer's Glue, what's the best way?
 Todosi wrote:
I base my models first, then prime them. The primer holds the basing on just fine.


I tried that once myself, apparently I did something wrong because about half the sand chipped off as I was painting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6056057.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6056057.page GMT Sealing sand basing with water downed Elmer's Glue, what's the best way? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6056118.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6056118.page GMT Sealing sand basing with water downed Elmer's Glue, what's the best way? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6056288.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6056288.page GMT Sealing sand basing with water downed Elmer's Glue, what's the best way?
For example, if you use very thin flocking or sand, less glue is required.
If you use thicker amounts, or larger granules (with less surface area overall) you need more glue.
If you use very small particles, in very thin layers, a liquid paint applied from above might work.

So, what I am saying is that there is no wrong answer here - get some ideas from the various people, and see what works for your SPECIFIC use.

Or go check out some of the various terrain videos on youtube, that way you can see EXACTLY what someone is doing, to see how their technique works with their specific basing.

Experiment, try things, have fun.

best of luck!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6057581.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6057581.page GMT Sealing sand basing with water downed Elmer's Glue, what's the best way?
Finally, the gloss and matt varnish sprays that are applied to the whole finished model give an extra layer of protection.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6058110.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6058110.page GMT Sealing sand basing with water downed Elmer's Glue, what's the best way?
 Vulcan wrote:
 Todosi wrote:
I base my models first, then prime them. The primer holds the basing on just fine.


I tried that once myself, apparently I did something wrong because about half the sand chipped off as I was painting.


Here is my complete process;

1. Using Elmer's White Glue or Titebond Wood Glue, paint the entire base with glue.
2. Immediately dunk the base in my sand and gravel mixture
3. Blow off the excess and make sure the rim of the base is clean.
4. Allow to dry at least 4 hours.
5. Prime the model completely with Krylon Black Primer.
6. Allow to dry overnight and paint as normal.

No problems with basing coming off in over 15 years of gaming.
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I PVA glue the base, flock it, then let dry overnight.
I then take clear polyurethane and drop it on, dropper style, to completely soak the flock. Allow to dry overnight.

Matte coat or primer/paint, and ready to rock and roll.

Zero issues so far, except this past time when I was using metal shavings for flocking (experimenting lol), but I think there was still some WD40 residue around that messed with it., and a lacking of contact surface to hold onto as the shavings are spindly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6064497.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/552313/6064497.page GMT