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				<description><![CDATA[ So this is my first list and im gonna try to build a super competitive one.<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>- Chapter Master	                   130pts<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>-Command Squad	                   100pts<br /> Troops- 10 Tactical Marines	140pts<br /> Troops- 10 Tactical Marines	140pts<br /> Troops-5 Sniper Scouts	                   60pts<br /> Dedicated Transport- Drop Pod	35pts<br /> Dedicated Transport- Razorback	55pts<br /> Elites-Venerable Dreadnaught	125pts<br /> Fast Attack- 3 Bikes	                   63pts<br /> Fast Attack- 5 Assault Marines	85pts<br /> Heavy Support- Hunter	                   70pts<br /> TOTAL	1003pts<br /> <br /> So what do you think? And how could I expand it to 2500 with Eldar Iyanden allies<br />  <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>	Spiritseer	70pts<br /> Elites	5 Wraithguard	160pts<br /> Troops	5 Wraithblades	160pts<br /> Troops	5 Wraithblades	160pts<br /> Fast Attack	Hemlock Wraithfighter	185pts<br /> Heavy Support	Wraithknight	240pts<br /> TOTAL	975pts<br /> <br /> Allies Expansion<br /> So totals are 1003+975=1978 <br /> Which gives me 522 pts of Marines left]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>- Chapter Master 130pts<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>-Command Squad 100pts<br /> Troops- 10 Tactical Marines 140pts<br /> Troops- 10 Tactical Marines 140pts<br /> Troops-5 Sniper Scouts 60pts<br /> Dedicated Transport- Drop Pod 35pts<br /> Dedicated Transport- Razorback 55pts<br /> Elites-Venerable Dreadnaught 125pts<br /> Fast Attack- 3 Bikes 63pts<br /> Fast Attack- 5 Assault Marines 85pts<br /> Heavy Support- Hunter 70pts </div></blockquote><br /> Well, you need to give your units some weapon upgrades. Small <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(35);'>FA</span> units are questionable. I'd first fix the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> list and then consider the ally detachment.]]></description>
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				<title>Re:Space Marine/Eldar super competitive</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ If you are making Wraithguard/blades troops...you cannot make them Elites as well :(<br /> It sucks I know!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well both are illegal and neither is remotely competitive. Check which characters unlock the command squad and what selection Wraith guards are when you have a Spiritseer.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553539/6071503.page"><b>courtney wrote:</b></a><br/>So this is my first list and im gonna try to build a super competitive one.<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>- Chapter Master	                   130pts<br /> <font color='cyan'>Decent choice but needs upgrades</font><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>-Command Squad	                   100pts<br /> <font color='cyan'>Can't take this with the ChapterMaster and would need upgrades</font><br /> Troops- 10 Tactical Marines	140pts<br /> <font color='cyan'>No Special or Heavy Weapons?</font><br /> Troops- 10 Tactical Marines	140pts<br /> <font color='cyan'>No Special or Heavy Weapons?</font><br /> Troops-5 Sniper Scouts	                   60pts<br /> <font color='cyan'>Only unit i have seen with any upgrades. Should give them Cammo Cloaks as well</font><br /> Dedicated Transport- Drop Pod	35pts<br /> <font color='cyan'>What is going in this? Group it with the squad.</font><br /> Dedicated Transport- Razorback	55pts<br /> <font color='cyan'>What is going in this? Group it with the squad.</font><br /> Elites-Venerable Dreadnaught	125pts<br /> Fast Attack- 3 Bikes	                   63pts<br /> <font color='cyan'>Needs upgrades</font><br /> Fast Attack- 5 Assault Marines	85pts<br /> <font color='cyan'>This unit should have some upgrades like two flamers, and would be better if you ran them as a 10 man squad.</font><br /> Heavy Support- Hunter	                   70pts<br /> TOTAL	1003pts<br /> <br /> So what do you think? And how could I expand it to 2500 with Eldar Iyanden allies<br />  <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>	Spiritseer	70pts<br /> Elites	5 Wraithguard	160pts<br /> Troops	5 Wraithblades	160pts<br /> Troops	5 Wraithblades	160pts<br /> Fast Attack	Hemlock Wraithfighter	185pts<br /> Heavy Support	Wraithknight	240pts<br /> TOTAL	975pts<br /> <font color='cyan'>Can't say anything about Eldar. </font><br /> <br /> Allies Expansion<br /> So totals are 1003+975=1978 <br /> Which gives me 522 pts of Marines left</div></blockquote>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ok well could you write me a 1000pt list based of the strikeforce and the stalker]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 21 Sep 2013 16:12:55]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Courtney, you have to write your own lists bud. But eldar are a powerful force to be reckoned with. They can give you some powerful units. Wraith guard should only be taking as the shooty version. If you want to kill gak in assault bring d-scythes and you will over watch 5x D3 S4 Ap2 hits. Thats enough to poop on any good unit that charges you. You should not bring a hemlock, they are amazing at shooting, but tau will just use their troop choices to snap shot and penetrate your amour. You need to bring Wave Serpents with your wraith guard. If you bring a Spirit seer they become troop choices and they are troop choices to be reckoned with. <br /> <br /> Thats just a bit of advice on the eldar side of things. Cant much help you with space marines.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ A couple questions<br /> 1. Whats a good close combat oriented Wraithknight build<br /> (Im gonna have it next to a spiritseer with the wraithforge stone<br /> 2.I am going to start with the eldar list so how should I start it<br /> 3. And Wraithblades vs Wraithguard]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 21 Sep 2013 20:33:18]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ If you want to have an effective <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> Wraithknight you need to do a few things. First off, never take a sun cannon, unless your going shooty. You need a scatter shield of course so take the Ghost Glaive and and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>. For 10 points you get a 5+ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(162);'>inv</span> and master crafted. Not bad, though the +1 S is useless as your S10 already. Then take a scatter laser if you really feel the need to twin link a single wraith cannon. If you are following the wraithknight with a jetbike farseer, then dont worry about it and use 24" guide to reroll the shots.<br /> <br /> If your WK is <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> oriented then keep it cheap, pop transports with the cannons, then assault the embarked units. Most marines cannot wound you. Watch out for hidden power fists and poison weapons etc.. dont charge thunder/hammer termies, shoot them and run away. <br /> <br /> Not too fond of spirit/seers in farseer's role. Better off sending him with wraithguard giving them a 2+ armour save or <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(149);'>Ws</span> and I +1. Put them in a Wave Serpent of course, I should even have to say that. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span> <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"> Serpent shields these days I mean come on... Wraith guard all the way vs wraithblades,  depends on your points limit whether you go cannons or flamers, but dont underestimate a large Ap2 blast on those guys so get in cover or bring a farseer for divination forewarning 4+ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(162);'>inv</span>.. <br /> However I really dont see the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> happening as you cant charge out of your transpor,t as it is not an assult vehicle. The Wraithguard are better fire dragons, in both acting as a scoring unit, and an anti-tank. which really <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span> is quite nice. <br /> <br /> II would make a wraithguard list like this_<br /> <br /> Farseer x 1<br /> Spiritseer x 1<br /> Warlock? x 1-2<br /> <br /> Wraithguard x 5<br /> Wave S. - Holo f, Scatter L.<br /> +<br /> Wraithguard x 5<br /> Wave S. - Holo f, Scatter L.<br /> <br /> Jetbikes x 6<br /> 2 S cannons<br /> + Warlock - Jetbike/Singing Spear.<br /> or<br /> Dire Avengers x 5-10 <br /> Wave S.- holo f, B Lance or Scatter L. <br /> <br /> Warp Spiders x 6-8<br /> +<br /> Warp Spiders x 6-8<br /> <br /> Wraithknight x 1<br /> GG and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span><br /> <br /> Dark Reapers x 5<br /> Exarch - Night Vison/Fast shot<br /> <br /> Vauls Weapon Platform x 3<br /> D-Cannons<br /> Warlock for 2+ cover! <br /> <br /> War Walkers x 3<br /> Scatter L.  x 6<br /> (sky shield landing pad!!!)<br /> 4+ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(162);'>inv</span>.<br /> <br /> These are the squads I take and consider to be the most powerful in the eldar army. <br /> Hope this helps a bit. Your list really depends on the models you have or perhaps dont have? not sure. Also on whether its a tournament list or a fluffy/fun list.<br /> Let me know whats going on and ill do my best to help. <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <font color='red'> Any more posts like those and you will not be posting on the site.<br /> <br /> There is no need whatsoever for bile and venom like that towards another poster.</font><br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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