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So this is my first list and im gonna try to build a super competitive one.
HQ- Chapter Master 130pts
HQ-Command Squad 100pts
Troops- 10 Tactical Marines 140pts
Troops- 10 Tactical Marines 140pts
Troops-5 Sniper Scouts 60pts
Dedicated Transport- Drop Pod 35pts
Dedicated Transport- Razorback 55pts
Elites-Venerable Dreadnaught 125pts
Fast Attack- 3 Bikes 63pts
Fast Attack- 5 Assault Marines 85pts
Heavy Support- Hunter 70pts
TOTAL 1003pts

So what do you think? And how could I expand it to 2500 with Eldar Iyanden allies



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HQ Spiritseer 70pts
Elites 5 Wraithguard 160pts
Troops 5 Wraithblades 160pts
Troops 5 Wraithblades 160pts
Fast Attack Hemlock Wraithfighter 185pts
Heavy Support Wraithknight 240pts
TOTAL 975pts

Allies Expansion
So totals are 1003+975=1978
Which gives me 522 pts of Marines left

HQ- Chapter Master 130pts
HQ-Command Squad 100pts
Troops- 10 Tactical Marines 140pts
Troops- 10 Tactical Marines 140pts
Troops-5 Sniper Scouts 60pts
Dedicated Transport- Drop Pod 35pts
Dedicated Transport- Razorback 55pts
Elites-Venerable Dreadnaught 125pts
Fast Attack- 3 Bikes 63pts
Fast Attack- 5 Assault Marines 85pts
Heavy Support- Hunter 70pts

Well, you need to give your units some weapon upgrades. Small FA units are questionable. I'd first fix the SM list and then consider the ally detachment.

If you are making Wraithguard/blades troops...you cannot make them Elites as well :(
It sucks I know!

Well both are illegal and neither is remotely competitive. Check which characters unlock the command squad and what selection Wraith guards are when you have a Spiritseer.

courtney wrote:
So this is my first list and im gonna try to build a super competitive one.
HQ- Chapter Master 130pts
Decent choice but needs upgrades
HQ-Command Squad 100pts
Can't take this with the ChapterMaster and would need upgrades
Troops- 10 Tactical Marines 140pts
No Special or Heavy Weapons?
Troops- 10 Tactical Marines 140pts
No Special or Heavy Weapons?
Troops-5 Sniper Scouts 60pts
Only unit i have seen with any upgrades. Should give them Cammo Cloaks as well
Dedicated Transport- Drop Pod 35pts
What is going in this? Group it with the squad.
Dedicated Transport- Razorback 55pts
What is going in this? Group it with the squad.
Elites-Venerable Dreadnaught 125pts
Fast Attack- 3 Bikes 63pts
Needs upgrades
Fast Attack- 5 Assault Marines 85pts
This unit should have some upgrades like two flamers, and would be better if you ran them as a 10 man squad.
Heavy Support- Hunter 70pts
TOTAL 1003pts

So what do you think? And how could I expand it to 2500 with Eldar Iyanden allies



Automatically Appended Next Post:
HQ Spiritseer 70pts
Elites 5 Wraithguard 160pts
Troops 5 Wraithblades 160pts
Troops 5 Wraithblades 160pts
Fast Attack Hemlock Wraithfighter 185pts
Heavy Support Wraithknight 240pts
TOTAL 975pts
Can't say anything about Eldar.

Allies Expansion
So totals are 1003+975=1978
Which gives me 522 pts of Marines left

Ok well could you write me a 1000pt list based of the strikeforce and the stalker

Courtney, you have to write your own lists bud. But eldar are a powerful force to be reckoned with. They can give you some powerful units. Wraith guard should only be taking as the shooty version. If you want to kill gak in assault bring d-scythes and you will over watch 5x D3 S4 Ap2 hits. Thats enough to poop on any good unit that charges you. You should not bring a hemlock, they are amazing at shooting, but tau will just use their troop choices to snap shot and penetrate your amour. You need to bring Wave Serpents with your wraith guard. If you bring a Spirit seer they become troop choices and they are troop choices to be reckoned with.

Thats just a bit of advice on the eldar side of things. Cant much help you with space marines.

A couple questions
1. Whats a good close combat oriented Wraithknight build
(Im gonna have it next to a spiritseer with the wraithforge stone
2.I am going to start with the eldar list so how should I start it
3. And Wraithblades vs Wraithguard

If you want to have an effective CC Wraithknight you need to do a few things. First off, never take a sun cannon, unless your going shooty. You need a scatter shield of course so take the Ghost Glaive and and SS. For 10 points you get a 5+ inv and master crafted. Not bad, though the +1 S is useless as your S10 already. Then take a scatter laser if you really feel the need to twin link a single wraith cannon. If you are following the wraithknight with a jetbike farseer, then dont worry about it and use 24" guide to reroll the shots.

If your WK is CC oriented then keep it cheap, pop transports with the cannons, then assault the embarked units. Most marines cannot wound you. Watch out for hidden power fists and poison weapons etc.. dont charge thunder/hammer termies, shoot them and run away.

Not too fond of spirit/seers in farseer's role. Better off sending him with wraithguard giving them a 2+ armour save or Ws and I +1. Put them in a Wave Serpent of course, I should even have to say that. lol Serpent shields these days I mean come on... Wraith guard all the way vs wraithblades, depends on your points limit whether you go cannons or flamers, but dont underestimate a large Ap2 blast on those guys so get in cover or bring a farseer for divination forewarning 4+ inv..
However I really dont see the CC happening as you cant charge out of your transpor,t as it is not an assult vehicle. The Wraithguard are better fire dragons, in both acting as a scoring unit, and an anti-tank. which really IMO is quite nice.

II would make a wraithguard list like this_

Farseer x 1
Spiritseer x 1
Warlock? x 1-2

Wraithguard x 5
Wave S. - Holo f, Scatter L.
+
Wraithguard x 5
Wave S. - Holo f, Scatter L.

Jetbikes x 6
2 S cannons
+ Warlock - Jetbike/Singing Spear.
or
Dire Avengers x 5-10
Wave S.- holo f, B Lance or Scatter L.

Warp Spiders x 6-8
+
Warp Spiders x 6-8

Wraithknight x 1
GG and SS

Dark Reapers x 5
Exarch - Night Vison/Fast shot

Vauls Weapon Platform x 3
D-Cannons
Warlock for 2+ cover!

War Walkers x 3
Scatter L. x 6
(sky shield landing pad!!!)
4+ inv.

These are the squads I take and consider to be the most powerful in the eldar army.
Hope this helps a bit. Your list really depends on the models you have or perhaps dont have? not sure. Also on whether its a tournament list or a fluffy/fun list.
Let me know whats going on and ill do my best to help.

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Any more posts like those and you will not be posting on the site.

There is no need whatsoever for bile and venom like that towards another poster.