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Let me count the ways...

Spoiler:
More Cabal crap. They are now in the business of killing loyal Primarchs.

Emperor and Vulkan are perpetuals. So are basically immortal. Does this mean that after all of Horus' hard work the Emperor will just come back if they turn off the golden toilet? Or did Horus do enough damage?

My biggest issue:

The portrayal of Konrad Curze. In previous novels he is portrayed as a tragic figure yes. Driven insane by his curse he is still a prideful and principled guy in his own misguided, twisted, way. But this novel makes him pathetic. This is a guy who beat up Dorn and fought the Lion to a standstill for 2yrs almost killing him at one point. In Vulkan Lives he is reduced to a stereotype villan cackling in the darkness at the best of times. At the worst (ending of book) Vulkan beats him up with his bare hands (Konrad is fully armed and armored), naked, gets his hammer back and almost kills him.

Konrad pathetically begs for death basically crying while Vulkan chokes him. Oh then Vulkan uses said hammer that surpasses necron tech as a personal teleport to take him across the galaxy.


Just sad.
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 LoneLictor wrote:
Yeah, its just a gakky book. But really, the Horus Heresy series is like LOST. It was off to a strong start, but as the characters are derailed the plot becomes needlessly bizarre and complicated, and its becoming increasingly clear that the writers just don't know how to end it.

They know how to end it, we've known how the finale plays out before they even started the series. The best Black Library authors are borderline mediocre in the grand scheme of things, and are simply incapable of fleshing out the events and characters of the Heresy in a compelling way.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553722/6074510.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553722/6074510.page GMT Vulkan Lives. Wtf?
TheSGC wrote:
Like moths drawn to flame, the hate thread is started.


Yeh it must be the haturs! lololol.


3/10 got me to reply. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553722/6074874.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553722/6074874.page GMT Vulkan Lives. Wtf? BL Horus Heresy book! I am shocked! Shocked, I tell you! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553722/6075213.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553722/6075213.page GMT Vulkan Lives. Wtf? 40k. Whenever a setting delves into the events of it's distant past, it'll step on some toes as people's preconceptions get burst.

Of course 40k's canon policy is entirely interpretation based so as far as you're concerned you can pretend the Horus Heresy was fought between Optimus Prime's Autobots and Bowser's Koopa Army and it'd be as valid as anything Forgeworld, the Black Library, Fantasy Flight Games, Relic, and Games Workshop itself says.

Nobody would take you seriously to be sure, but it'd be valid.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553722/6075224.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553722/6075224.page GMT Vulkan Lives. Wtf?
And you must have read Kurze differently than I did, because I never saw him as pathetic or "crying" at all.


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As to the emperor being a perpetual: you're missing the bigger picture. Sure the golden toilet is keeping him "alive" when, were he to "die" he'd simply come back, although we know from Vulkan Lives and grammaticus that perpetuals can actually be killed. But during the amount of time the emperor was being reincarnated, gak would get nuts. In The Outcast dead we get to see the catastrophic impact Magnus has on the "psyker network" when he crashes the emperors lab. Now imagine the impact that would have had if the emperor wasn't there to provide his "psychic glue", as it were, to all of those networks. Who's to say that small amount of time wouldn't allow hordes of warp spawn to just pour through the rift in that absence ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553722/6075251.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553722/6075251.page GMT Vulkan Lives. Wtf?
 Kain wrote:
People griped about the Prequel trilogy from Star Wars people griped about the Forerunner saga from Halo, people griped about the Horus Heresy series from 40k. Whenever a setting delves into the events of it's distant past, it'll step on some toes as people's preconceptions get burst.


And it had nothing to do with acting, storytelling, plot or characters. It was just preconceptions.

Back on topic, the entire Cabal (and immortal perpetual) idea isn't really something I enjoy. Especially the whole Ollanius Pious redux.... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553722/6075291.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553722/6075291.page GMT Re:Vulkan Lives. Wtf?
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/544637.page

I did like Vulkan Lives though, as it gives more insight on a lesser known Primarch.

Lucarikx]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553722/6075314.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553722/6075314.page GMT Vulkan Lives. Wtf?
 Imposter101 wrote:
 Kain wrote:
People griped about the Prequel trilogy from Star Wars people griped about the Forerunner saga from Halo, people griped about the Horus Heresy series from 40k. Whenever a setting delves into the events of it's distant past, it'll step on some toes as people's preconceptions get burst.


And it had nothing to do with acting, storytelling, plot or characters. It was just preconceptions.

Back on topic, the entire Cabal (and immortal perpetual) idea isn't really something I enjoy. Especially the whole Ollanius Pious redux....

Generally those who disliked the Prequel trilogy were part of a vocal minority, the general public and the critics seemed to enjoy them. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553722/6075436.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553722/6075436.page GMT Vulkan Lives. Wtf?
 Kain wrote:
 Imposter101 wrote:
 Kain wrote:
People griped about the Prequel trilogy from Star Wars people griped about the Forerunner saga from Halo, people griped about the Horus Heresy series from 40k. Whenever a setting delves into the events of it's distant past, it'll step on some toes as people's preconceptions get burst.


And it had nothing to do with acting, storytelling, plot or characters. It was just preconceptions.

Back on topic, the entire Cabal (and immortal perpetual) idea isn't really something I enjoy. Especially the whole Ollanius Pious redux....

Generally those who disliked the Prequel trilogy were part of a vocal minority, the general public and the critics seemed to enjoy them.


A majority liking something does not always mean it is of good quality. Or that a vocal majorities opinion is now wrong and should be ignored, and that trying to criticise a franchise like Star Wars will not end well for their reputation due to rampant fanboisim. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553722/6075469.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553722/6075469.page GMT Vulkan Lives. Wtf?
 Kain wrote:
People griped about the Prequel trilogy from Star Wars, people griped about the Forerunner saga from Halo, people griped about the Horus Heresy series from 40k. Whenever a setting delves into the events of it's distant past, it'll step on some toes as people's preconceptions get burst.

Of course 40k's canon policy is entirely interpretation based so as far as you're concerned you can pretend the Horus Heresy was fought between Optimus Prime's Autobots and Bowser's Koopa Army and it'd be as valid as anything Forgeworld, the Black Library, Fantasy Flight Games, Relic, and Games Workshop itself says.

Nobody would take you seriously to be sure, but it'd be valid.


This is why I'm allowed to believe that Vulkan is actually a teenage mutant ninja turtle transported to the future. He just named his chapter the salamanders to throw Shredder off, but the green is a dead give away.

On a serious note I still plan to read the book, I've read a bunch of star wars books and it usually doesn't bug me too much if they throw out some odd material here and there.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553722/6075478.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/553722/6075478.page GMT Re:Vulkan Lives. Wtf?
 Lucarikx wrote:
Uh, not to rain on your parade, but theres already a thread on this subject:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/544637.page
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