Vulkan Lives. Wtf?

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**Budzerker**

Am I the only one who dislikes this book?

Let me count the ways...

Spoiler:

Just sad.

**LoneLictor**

Yeah, its just a gakky book. But really, the Horus Heresy series is like LOST. It was off to a strong start, but as the characters are derailed the plot becomes needlessly bizarre and complicated, and its becoming increasingly clear that the writers just don't know how to end it.

**TheSGC**

Like moths drawn to flame, the hate thread is started.

**Omegus**

LoneLictor wrote:
Yeah, its just a gakky book. But really, the Horus Heresy series is like LOST. It was off to a strong start, but as the characters are derailed the plot becomes needlessly bizarre and complicated, and its becoming increasingly clear that the writers just don't know how to end it.

They know how to end it, we've known how the finale plays out before they even started the series. The best Black Library authors are borderline mediocre in the grand scheme of things, and are simply incapable of fleshing out the events and characters of the Heresy in a compelling way.

**Imposter101**

TheSGC wrote:
Like moths drawn to flame, the hate thread is started.

Yeh it must be the haturs! lololol.

3/10 got me to reply.

**Crimson**

Lame and ridiculous things happen in a BL Horus Heresy book! I am shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

**Kain**

People griped about the Prequel trilogy from Star Wars, people griped about the Forerunner saga from Halo, people griped about the Horus Heresy series from 40k. Whenever a setting delves into the events of it's distant past, it'll step on some toes as people's preconceptions get burst.

Of course 40k's canon policy is entirely interpretation based so as far as you're concerned you can pretend the Horus Heresy was fought between Optimus Prime's Autobots and Bowser's Koopa Army and it'd be as valid as anything Forgeworld, the Black Library, Fantasy Flight Games, Relic, and Games Workshop itself says.

Nobody would take you seriously to be sure, but it'd be valid.

**cincydooley**

I liked it a lot. I happen to like the Cabal story line, and i thought the juxtaposition of Vulkan, who really values human life, and Kurze, who doesn't value any life at all and is functionally a nihilist, was done really well.

And you must have read Kurze differently than I did, because I never saw him as pathetic or "crying" at all.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
As to the emperor being a perpetual: you're missing the bigger picture. Sure the golden toilet is keeping him "alive" when, were he to "die" he'd simply come back, although we know from Vulkan Lives and grammaticus that perpetuals can actually be killed. But during the amount of time the emperor was being reincarnated, gak would get nuts. In The Outcast dead we get to see the catastrophic impact Magnus has on the "psyker network" when he crashes the emperors lab. Now imagine the impact that would have had if the emperor wasn't there to provide his "psychic glue", as it were, to all of those networks. Who's to say that small amount of time wouldn't allow hordes of warp spawn to just pour through the rift in that absence

**Imposter101**

Kain wrote:
People griped about the Prequel trilogy from Star Wars people griped about the Forerunner saga from Halo, people griped about the Horus Heresy series from 40k. Whenever a setting delves into the events of it's distant past, it'll step on some toes as people's preconceptions get burst.

And it had nothing to do with acting, storytelling, plot or characters. It was just preconceptions.

Back on topic, the entire Cabal (and immortal perpetual) idea isn't really something I enjoy. Especially the whole Ollanius Pious redux....

**Lucarikx**

Uh, not to rain on your parade, but theres already a thread on this subject:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/544637.page

I did like Vulkan Lives though, as it gives more insight on a lesser known Primarch.

Lucarikx

**Kain**

Imposter101 wrote:
Kain wrote:
People griped about the Prequel trilogy from Star Wars people griped about the Forerunner saga from Halo, people griped about the Horus Heresy series from 40k. Whenever a setting delves into the events of it's distant past, it'll step on some toes as people's preconceptions get burst.

And it had nothing to do with acting, storytelling, plot or characters. It was just preconceptions.

Back on topic, the entire Cabal (and immortal perpetual) idea isn't really something I enjoy. Especially the whole Ollanius Pious redux....

Generally those who disliked the Prequel trilogy were part of a vocal minority, the general public and the critics seemed to enjoy them.

**Imposter101**

Kain wrote:
Imposter101 wrote:
Kain wrote:
People griped about the Prequel trilogy from Star Wars people griped about the Forerunner saga from Halo, people griped about the Horus Heresy series from 40k. Whenever a setting delves into the events of it's distant past, it'll step on some toes as people's preconceptions get burst.

And it had nothing to do with acting, storytelling, plot or characters. It was just preconceptions.

Back on topic, the entire Cabal (and immortal perpetual) idea isn't really something I enjoy. Especially the whole Ollanius Pious redux....

Generally those who disliked the Prequel trilogy were part of a vocal minority, the general public and the critics seemed to enjoy them.

A majority liking something does not always mean it is of good quality. Or that a vocal majorities opinion is now wrong and should be ignored, and that trying to criticise a franchise like Star Wars will not end well for their reputation due to rampant fanboisim.

**Rotary**

Kain wrote:
People griped about the Prequel trilogy from Star Wars, people griped about the Forerunner saga from Halo, people griped about the Horus Heresy series from 40k. Whenever a setting delves into the events of it's distant past, it'll step on some toes as people's preconceptions get burst.

Of course 40k's canon policy is entirely interpretation based so as far as you're concerned you can pretend the Horus Heresy was fought between Optimus Prime's Autobots and Bowser's Koopa Army and it'd be as valid as anything Forgeworld, the Black Library, Fantasy Flight Games, Relic, and Games Workshop itself says.

Nobody would take you seriously to be sure, but it'd be valid.

This is why I'm allowed to believe that Vulkan is actually a teenage mutant ninja turtle transported to the future. He just named his chapter the salamanders to throw Shredder off, but the green is a dead give away.

On a serious note I still plan to read the book, I've read a bunch of star wars books and it usually doesn't bug me too much if they throw out some odd material here and there.

**Manchu**

Lucarikx wrote:
Uh, not to rain on your parade, but theres already a thread on this subject:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/544637.page