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				<title>2000 pt Dark Angels Dual Wing</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ EDIT: Please Critique! Intended for early game crippling bad hurty hurty.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span><br /> Sammael – 200<br /> Belial – 190<br /> Ravenwing Command Squad (5) + Apoth + Ravenwing Banner - 245<br /> <br /> Total: 635<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Troops<br /> Deathwing Terminator Squad (6) + 5 x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> + <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(417);'>CML</span> – 314<br /> Deathwing Terminator Squad (6) + 5 x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> + <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(417);'>CML</span> – 314<br /> Ravenwing attack squad + 2 x Plasma Gun – 110<br /> Ravenwing attack squad + 2 x Plasma Gun – 110	<br /> Ravenwing attack squad + 2 x Plasma Gun (or 2 x Melta + Combi Melta) – 110<br /> Total: 955 (1590)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Fast Attack<br /> 2 x Land Speeder + 2 x Heavy flamer – 120<br /> Land Speeder + Heavy Flamer – 60<br /> Darkshroud – 80 <br /> <br /> Total: 260 (1850)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Heavy Support<br /> Devastator Squad + 4 x Lascannons – 150<br /> <br /> Total: 150 (2000)<br /> <br /> <br /> Idea is to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> assault whilst turbo scout ravenwing and bring lots of angry dark angels right up in everyones grill, feedback would be much loved!!!  <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:14:09]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ calcifer]]></author>
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				<title>2000pt Dark Angels Dual-Wing</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ So personally I wouldn't run both belial and sammy, run I've and run the other wing as elite or <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(35);'>FA</span>. Cuts down on points significantly. And if you swap out sammy and still want the comand squad, take a libby on bike. personally I would drop the shroud as where I play you never get cover saves because if eldar and tau. The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(29);'>devs</span> may want an <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(637);'>adl</span>? Helps with flyers if you also take a quad gun.<br /> <br /> Also a personal preference/ precaution, because its only <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(9);'>av</span> 10 hp2 I like to give my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(456);'>ls</span>'s something with range of more than bolters so I don't get ripped apart.<br /> <br /> Realistically without pure <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(744);'>RW</span> your 1st turn damage will be not at its maximum potential but those termies will be quite survivable. However, you should consider what will happen against tau who can jump shoot (ap2 weapons) jump.. That will really hurt, especially since they ignore cover.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:14:49]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Jd7]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Haha good point about ignores cover but having a Tau army myself I can have the best of both worlds. The landspeeders are sorta blank slates depending on who I am playing but 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span>'s on each land speeder combined with transport popping bikes has always worked a charm on any 4+ save force. That being said <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> is very viable.<br /> <br /> I agree with the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> point sink but I'm afraid I just like the models too much :| I would consider dropping Belial for Libby to go with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(29);'>devs</span> and prescience their lascannons for twin-linked snap fire anti flyer pain.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:48:40]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ calcifer]]></author>
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				<title>2000pt Dark Angels Dual-Wing</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ If you want to run dual wing, azrael is your man.  Almost half the cost of running both belial and sammael.  But you stick him in a vet squad in a pod and drop him into the nastiest fighting and try to stand strong with a squad that has a 3+/4++.  As long as you keep azrael out of challanges any <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(95);'>meq</span> unit he hits he will kill several a turn in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:54:58]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ namiel]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/f118f01f1c14d0ae9591b82f4f736543.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/554102/6081917.page"><b>namiel wrote:</b></a><br/>If you want to run dual wing, azrael is your man.  Almost half the cost of running both belial and sammael.  But you stick him in a vet squad in a pod and drop him into the nastiest fighting and try to stand strong with a squad that has a 3+/4++.  As long as you keep azrael out of challanges any <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(95);'>meq</span> unit he hits he will kill several a turn in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I agree. I use Azrael + Librarian + 8 vets, 5 with plasma pistol and bolt pistol combo w/ gunslinger rule. Pod them and drop them on an objective your opponent wants. With Azrael's Warlord tait he can give any unit <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FNP</span> if it's on an objective <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">. 3+, 4++ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FNP</span> with a divination librarian possibly giveing them counter attack and fires overwatch at full <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> + re-rolls to hit is a beautiful thing to behold. I've killed Daemon Princes as they charge in to my unit <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"> And my opponents HATE these guys. And they are vets so 4 attacks on the charge aint too shabby really. <br /> <br /> I have debated whether or not to add in a bike librarian or terminator librarian to this in order to get a command squad. I want BOTH so badly because Black Knights are amazing and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FNP</span> banner terminators possibly giving that buff to my whole army is just too sexy haha. They are expensive, but they are cool. Maybe I'll just add a vet and take a terminator librarian to deep strike in with my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> command squad with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FNP</span> banner.<br /> <br /> I usually run my vets with 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> squads, 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(744);'>RW</span> squads, and 2x Land Speeder Typhoons. They have done OK. Need to optimize though.<br /> <br /> Hopefully that can inspire you a bit with a fun, fluffy, and pretty troll-tastic set up haha.<br /> <br /> - VardenV2]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 24 Sep 2013 21:57:49]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ VardenV2]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ great advice guys! Azrael is viable although i don't have him or vets so will need to purchase them. I could drop a termy squad and throw in 6 more bikes with banner of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(29);'>dev</span> to make all biker boltguns salvo and relentless = 4 shots at 24" all the time. Would fry hordes.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 25 Sep 2013 03:59:16]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ calcifer]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Vets are cheap if you have the special weapon bits laying around.  Order the veteran upgrade sprues from <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>gw</span>.  $20 and you get 5 bodies with bolter arms and a few power weapons and tons of decoration.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 25 Sep 2013 04:12:50]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ namiel]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ ok how is this,<br /> <br /> Azrael - 215<br /> Libby on Bike - 85<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(744);'>RW</span> Command squad (5) + Apoth - 230<br /> <br /> Total: 530<br /> <br /> <br /> Elite (With Azy)<br /> Vet Squad (9) + 9 Plasma pistols - 297<br /> <br /> Total: 827<br /> <br /> <br /> Troop<br /> Deathwing Termies + 4 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> + Plasma Cannon - 255<br /> Deathwing Termies + 4 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> + Plasma Cannon - 255<br /> Ravenwing Bikers + 2 Plasma - 110<br /> Ravenwing Bikers + 2 Plasma - 110<br /> <br /> Total: 730 (1557)<br /> <br /> Fast Attack<br /> 3x land speeder w/ 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span> each - 180 (Split into 2 squads, can have any weapons depending on enemy, will cut one vet to compensate)<br /> Darkshroud - 80<br /> <br /> Total - 260 (1817)<br /> <br /> <br /> Heavy Support<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(29);'>Dev</span> squad + 4x Lascannons - 150<br /> <br /> Total: 1967<br /> <br /> <br /> Drop Pod or Rhino - 35<br /> <br /> Total: 2002 (2 points doesn't matter in my circles)<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> My Only Concern regarding the Azrael/Libby/Vet <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FNP</span> objective camp is that thats 600 pts of non scoring 12" range models that just sit there and scream COME <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span> ME BRO!! I just wouldn't come at them, i'd go pop all the other scoring units.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:29:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ calcifer]]></author>
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