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EDIT: Please Critique! Intended for early game crippling bad hurty hurty.

HQ
Sammael – 200
Belial – 190
Ravenwing Command Squad (5) + Apoth + Ravenwing Banner - 245

Total: 635



Troops
Deathwing Terminator Squad (6) + 5 x TH/SS + CML – 314
Deathwing Terminator Squad (6) + 5 x TH/SS + CML – 314
Ravenwing attack squad + 2 x Plasma Gun – 110
Ravenwing attack squad + 2 x Plasma Gun – 110
Ravenwing attack squad + 2 x Plasma Gun (or 2 x Melta + Combi Melta) – 110
Total: 955 (1590)



Fast Attack
2 x Land Speeder + 2 x Heavy flamer – 120
Land Speeder + Heavy Flamer – 60
Darkshroud – 80

Total: 260 (1850)



Heavy Support
Devastator Squad + 4 x Lascannons – 150

Total: 150 (2000)


Idea is to DW assault whilst turbo scout ravenwing and bring lots of angry dark angels right up in everyones grill, feedback would be much loved!!!

So personally I wouldn't run both belial and sammy, run I've and run the other wing as elite or FA. Cuts down on points significantly. And if you swap out sammy and still want the comand squad, take a libby on bike. personally I would drop the shroud as where I play you never get cover saves because if eldar and tau. The devs may want an adl? Helps with flyers if you also take a quad gun.

Also a personal preference/ precaution, because its only av 10 hp2 I like to give my ls's something with range of more than bolters so I don't get ripped apart.

Realistically without pure RW your 1st turn damage will be not at its maximum potential but those termies will be quite survivable. However, you should consider what will happen against tau who can jump shoot (ap2 weapons) jump.. That will really hurt, especially since they ignore cover.

Haha good point about ignores cover but having a Tau army myself I can have the best of both worlds. The landspeeders are sorta blank slates depending on who I am playing but 2 HF's on each land speeder combined with transport popping bikes has always worked a charm on any 4+ save force. That being said HB/AC is very viable.

I agree with the HQ point sink but I'm afraid I just like the models too much :| I would consider dropping Belial for Libby to go with devs and prescience their lascannons for twin-linked snap fire anti flyer pain.

If you want to run dual wing, azrael is your man. Almost half the cost of running both belial and sammael. But you stick him in a vet squad in a pod and drop him into the nastiest fighting and try to stand strong with a squad that has a 3+/4++. As long as you keep azrael out of challanges any meq unit he hits he will kill several a turn in CC.

 namiel wrote:
If you want to run dual wing, azrael is your man. Almost half the cost of running both belial and sammael. But you stick him in a vet squad in a pod and drop him into the nastiest fighting and try to stand strong with a squad that has a 3+/4++. As long as you keep azrael out of challanges any meq unit he hits he will kill several a turn in CC.

I agree. I use Azrael + Librarian + 8 vets, 5 with plasma pistol and bolt pistol combo w/ gunslinger rule. Pod them and drop them on an objective your opponent wants. With Azrael's Warlord tait he can give any unit FNP if it's on an objective . 3+, 4++ FNP with a divination librarian possibly giveing them counter attack and fires overwatch at full BS + re-rolls to hit is a beautiful thing to behold. I've killed Daemon Princes as they charge in to my unit And my opponents HATE these guys. And they are vets so 4 attacks on the charge aint too shabby really.

I have debated whether or not to add in a bike librarian or terminator librarian to this in order to get a command squad. I want BOTH so badly because Black Knights are amazing and FNP banner terminators possibly giving that buff to my whole army is just too sexy haha. They are expensive, but they are cool. Maybe I'll just add a vet and take a terminator librarian to deep strike in with my DW command squad with FNP banner.

I usually run my vets with 2x DW squads, 2x RW squads, and 2x Land Speeder Typhoons. They have done OK. Need to optimize though.

Hopefully that can inspire you a bit with a fun, fluffy, and pretty troll-tastic set up haha.

- VardenV2

great advice guys! Azrael is viable although i don't have him or vets so will need to purchase them. I could drop a termy squad and throw in 6 more bikes with banner of dev to make all biker boltguns salvo and relentless = 4 shots at 24" all the time. Would fry hordes.

Vets are cheap if you have the special weapon bits laying around. Order the veteran upgrade sprues from gw. $20 and you get 5 bodies with bolter arms and a few power weapons and tons of decoration.

ok how is this,

Azrael - 215
Libby on Bike - 85
RW Command squad (5) + Apoth - 230

Total: 530


Elite (With Azy)
Vet Squad (9) + 9 Plasma pistols - 297

Total: 827


Troop
Deathwing Termies + 4 TH/SS + Plasma Cannon - 255
Deathwing Termies + 4 TH/SS + Plasma Cannon - 255
Ravenwing Bikers + 2 Plasma - 110
Ravenwing Bikers + 2 Plasma - 110

Total: 730 (1557)

Fast Attack
3x land speeder w/ 2x HF each - 180 (Split into 2 squads, can have any weapons depending on enemy, will cut one vet to compensate)
Darkshroud - 80

Total - 260 (1817)


Heavy Support
Dev squad + 4x Lascannons - 150

Total: 1967


Drop Pod or Rhino - 35

Total: 2002 (2 points doesn't matter in my circles)


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My Only Concern regarding the Azrael/Libby/Vet FNP objective camp is that thats 600 pts of non scoring 12" range models that just sit there and scream COME AT ME BRO!! I just wouldn't come at them, i'd go pop all the other scoring units.