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				<description><![CDATA[ I've been trying to find a Raven Guard list that is fluffy/semi-competitive, and I wonder if I just maybe got it right this time. Looking for some thoughts on how the list would do against various xenos and Imperial Guard as I have yet to play anything other than Space Marines, Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle. Thanks for your thoughts.<br /> <br /> Headquarters:	<br /> <font color='#FFFFBF'>Korvydae</font> (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> character. Special Rule: Assault Marines are troop choices) – Jump Pack, Iron Halo, Thunder Hammer, Meltabombs etc. – <i>155 pts</i><br /> <br /> Elite: <br /> <font color='#FFFFBF'>Ironclad Dreadnought</font> – Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon w. Heavy Flamer, Seismic Hammer w. Heavy Flamer, Assault Launcher, Drop Pod, Locator Beacon – <i>200 pts</i><font color='red'>*</font><br /> <font color='#FFFFBF'>Ironclad Dreadnought</font> – Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon w. Heavy Flamer, Seismic Hammer w. Heavy Flamer, Assault Launcher – <i>155 pts</i><font color='yellow'>*</font><br /> <br /> Troops: <br /> <font color='#FFFFBF'>7x Scouts</font> - 2 add. Scouts, Sniper Rifles, Camo Cloaks, Heavy Bolter – <i>106 pts</i><br /> <font color='#FFFFBF'>6x Assault Squad</font> – 1 add. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(682);'>AM</span>, 2x flamer, Veteran Sergeant; Lightning Claw, Power Fist – <i>162 pts</i><font color='yellow'>*</font><br /> <font color='#FFFFBF'>8x Assault Squad</font> – 3 add. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(682);'>AM</span>, 2x flamer, Veteran Sergeant; Lightning Claw, Power Fist (<font color='#FFFFBF'>Korvydae</font>) – <i>196 pts</i><font color='orange'>*</font><br /> <font color='#FFFFBF'>8x Assault Squad</font> – 3 add. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(682);'>AM</span>, 2x flamer, Veteran Sergeant; Lightning Claw, Power Fist – <i>196 pts</i><br /> <br /> Fast Attack:<br /> <font color='#FFFFBF'>Land Speeder</font> – Multi-Melta, Assault Cannon – <i>90 pts</i><br /> <font color='#FFFFBF'>Land Speeder</font> – Multi-Melta, Assault Cannon – <i>90 pts</i><br /> <font color='#FFFFBF'>Land Speeder</font> – Multi-Melta, Multi-Melta – <i>80 pts</i><font color='red'>*</font><br /> <br /> Heavy Attack: <br /> <font color='#FFFFBF'>Stormraven Gunship</font> – <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Multi-Melta, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Assault Cannons, Hurricane Bolter Sponsons – <i>230 pts</i><br /> <font color='#FFFFBF'>Predator</font> – Autocannon, Heavy Bolter Sponsons – <i>95</i><br /> <font color='#FFFFBF'>Predator</font> – Autocannon, Heavy Bolter Sponsons – <i>95</i><br /> <br /> <font color='red'>*</font> – Deepstrikes<br /> <font color='orange'>*</font> – Optional Deepstrike<br /> <font color='yellow'>*</font> – Transported in Stormraven<br /> <br /> <i>1850 pts</i><br /> <br /> Edit: <br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/4843d33d5d56c0049bcff595cf9dd9a9.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555361/6109094.page"><b>Corvus_corax wrote:</b></a><br/>I have a terrible secret... I love nitpicking at lists. <br /> <br /> So although I hate to double post, If you have an opinion, however small, or if you would like to compare your list with mine like Rismonite did, I'd be REALLY glad to hear what you have to say. I don't care if your list stomps mine, just please feed my brain. Otherwise I have no choice but to assume that this list is nothing short of awesome, and that would be your fault. <br /> <br /> Your choice (...please comment).  <img src="/s/i/a/504660322487159bb25fddaa475847a6.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ First question would be:<br /> Where are you getting the Power Claws from? Not a weapons option for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(298);'>afaik</span>.]]></description>
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				<title>1850 Raven Guard CT Army List - Will it get shot to pieces?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ -Warboss/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>Pk</span>/Bike/Squig/Cybork/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span><br /> 5 Nobz/Bikes/1 Nob is Painboy/Cybork'd/2 Big Choppa/2Pk/Banner/Orderly<br /> 510<br /> <br /> -Mad Dok<br /> 19 Boyz/1 is Nob/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>Pk</span>/'eavy<br /> BWagon/Rigger/Ram/Big Shoota<br /> 419<br /> <br /> -20 Cyborked Boyz(Slugga/Choppa)/1 is Nob/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>Pk</span>/'Eavy/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span><br /> Bwagon/Deff Rolla/Rigger/Big Shoota<br /> 385<br /> <br /> -12 Trukk Boyz (Slugga Choppa)/1 is Nob/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>Pk</span>/'eavy/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span>/Trukk/Ram<br /> 157<br /> <br /> -12 Trukk Boyz (Slugga Choppa)/1 is Nob/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>Pk</span>/'eavy/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span>/Trukk/Ram<br /> 157<br /> <br /> -12 Trukk Boyz (Slugga Choppa)/1 is Nob/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>Pk</span>/'eavy/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span>/Trukk/Ram<br /> 157<br /> <br /> -5 Stormboyz/1 is Nob/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>Pk</span>/'Eavy/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(260);'>BP</span><br /> 105<br /> <br /> <br /> 1890 Total<br /> <br /> <br /> It looks like you shoot me out of my vehicles with your land speeders and then flame me to death..<br /> <br /> I lose.<br /> <br /> Looks good to me.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/eaa223b92dac778b9de2d051984c75eb.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555361/6103324.page"><b>helgrenze wrote:</b></a><br/>First question would be:<br /> Where are you getting the Power Claws from? Not a weapons option for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(298);'>afaik</span>.</div></blockquote><br /> I meant Lightning Claws, of course. Consider it fixed.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/fd1e8d23c8aa22d5788db60d361f0e72.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555361/6103336.page"><b>Rismonite wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> It looks like you shoot me out of my vehicles with your land speeders and then flame me to death..<br /> <br /> I lose.<br /> <br /> Looks good to me.</div></blockquote><br /> Thanks! I appreciate the fact that you actually bothered to post your own list. In that case it seems like it would be the perfect match up for me.  <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ No real benefit from <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> combo, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span> are "specialist weapons" and only grant +1 attack when used in pairs, I believe.]]></description>
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				<title>Re:1850 Raven Guard CT Army List - Will it get shot to pieces?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Page 42 of the Rulebook, states: <br /> <br /> "<i>Specialist weapon<br /> A model fighting with this weapon does not recieve +1 Attack for fighting with two weapons unless both weapons have the Specialist Weapon rule.</i>"<br /> <br /> So actually, since they are both specialist weapons they do grant +1 extra attack on the charge and that is the whole point of the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span> set-up. In the case of a charge I can either choose 3 Lightning Claw attacks and 1 Power Fist Attack <b>OR</b>  3 Power Fist attacks and 1 Lightning Claw attack. There's some good versatility in that combo allowing me to take on medium <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(9);'>AV</span> armor, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MC</span>'s, challenges, and/or regular troops rather decently. <br /> <br /> Besides the models look awesome.  <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<title>Re:1850 Raven Guard CT Army List - Any good against xenos?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I have a terrible secret... I love nitpicking at lists. <br /> <br /> So although I hate to double post, If you have an opinion, however small, or if you would like to compare your list with mine like Rismonite did, I'd be REALLY glad to hear what you have to say. I don't care if your list stomps mine, just please feed my brain. Otherwise I have no choice but to assume that this list is nothing short of awesome, and that would be your fault. <br /> <br /> Your choice (...please comment).  <img src="/s/i/a/504660322487159bb25fddaa475847a6.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Still working out the new list.<br /> Also working up a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(757);'>RG</span> list as it fits the army style I already had.]]></description>
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				<title>Re:1850 Raven Guard CT Army List - Will it get shot to pieces?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/4843d33d5d56c0049bcff595cf9dd9a9.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/555361/6105153.page"><b>Corvus_corax wrote:</b></a><br/>Page 42 of the Rulebook, states: <br /> <br /> "<i>Specialist weapon<br /> A model fighting with this weapon does not recieve +1 Attack for fighting with two weapons unless both weapons have the Specialist Weapon rule.</i>"<br /> <br /> So actually, since they are both specialist weapons they do grant +1 extra attack on the charge and that is the whole point of the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span> set-up. In the case of a charge I can either choose 3 Lightning Claw attacks and 1 Power Fist Attack <b>OR</b>  3 Power Fist attacks and 1 Lightning Claw attack. There's some good versatility in that combo allowing me to take on medium <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(9);'>AV</span> armor, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MC</span>'s, challenges, and/or regular troops rather decently. <br /> <br /> Besides the models look awesome.  <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Its 4 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> or 4PF attacks, you don't get both at once. Just as if  you were using a Power sword and had a bolt pistol you get 4 attacks with the Power sword or if you really wanted the pistol. (though you never would because of its inferior profile)<br /> But you are spot on about specialist weapons just needing to have two, not a matched pair.  I just wish Twin Lighting Claw was did something rad.  Other than just grant +1 attack. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Huh, didn't know that. I always thought you kind of had to make at least one attack with each weapon since you technically wouldn't be using two weapons otherwise, but I guess this works out just as well for me. Thanks for clearing that up.<br /> <br /> Yeah, dual Lighnting Claws should have been given <i>Rending</i> or something. I wouldn't mind that. Ha, ha!]]></description>
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