<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "WoC Monster Mash 2400."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net WoC Monster Mash 2400.
What I mean of course is a monster list with Throgg and everyone’s favourite nut case, Scyla.

Here’s the list:

Lord
Prince- MoN, Level 3, Chaos Armour, Scaled Skin, Familiar, Soul Feeder, Charmed Shield, Dragon Bane Gem

Heros
Scyla
Throgg
Exalted Hero- MoT, 3rd eye, Enchanted Shield, BSB, Warshrine with MoT

Core
12 Trolls
Chariot- MoK
Chariot- MoK

Special
6 Dragon Ogres- AHW, Champion

Rare
Chaos Spawn
Chaos Spawn
Dragon Ogre Shaggoth

Now from my own memory regarding points for them I make this list 2375 as is (please correct me if I am wrong).

The theory:
Throgg joins trolls
Scyla joins Drogres
BSB should have a 1+/3+ ward rerolling 1’s on ward, so should be ok on his own, buffing characters when needed.
DP does what he does best, 4 spells to boot.
Chariots support
Spawn annoy
Shaggoth for flavour.

What does everyone think?
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6149866.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6149866.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400. bsb so you're going to have to give him talisman of preservation or something. Also, Throgg and your bsb are the only things in the list with eye of the gods (I think, not looking at the book) so the shrine won't be used to the fullest. It does make a badass looking mount though and overall I think the list looks fun and a bit off from every other chaos list we see.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150334.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150334.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400.
Warshrine doesn't transfer it's ward save to the bsb so you're going to have to give him talisman of preservation or something.


That is beyond annoying, i guess i only need to find 20 points providing my total is correct.

Also, Throgg and your bsb are the only things in the list with eye of the gods (I think, not looking at the book) so the shrine won't be used to the fullest. It does make a badass looking mount though and overall I think the list looks fun and a bit off from every other chaos list we see


Scyla? DP?

hmmmmm cannot confirm yet, glad you could see what i was going for. any suggestions on an alternative for the BSB? really don't want him on foot, but where to put him if not on a warshrine?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150363.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150363.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400. DP a level 4. You would lose the 5+ channeling but gain +1 to dispel and would be at 2400 exactly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150415.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150415.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400.
titaniumkiz wrote:
You can drop one troll and with Through there they would be evenly ranked. That would free up 35 points and if you wanted you could drop the familiar and make the DP a level 4. You would lose the 5+ channeling but gain +1 to dispel and would be at 2400 exactly.


Are you saying my list is already at 2400 and not 2375?

Also any ideas for the BSB dilema?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150523.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150523.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400. BsB a disc and Talisman of Preservation. That'll annoy the hell out of people and save you points. You should be able to afford that 7th Drogre so they rank up properly with Scyla.

Then drop a Troll (unless you need minimum core) and get MoT on those Spawn!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150623.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150623.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400. bsb and you'd still have enough points to swap the familiar on your DP and make him a level 4. You could also put your bsb on a disc instead which frees up another 105 points. The shrine won't be doing a whole lot in this list and with the pointsyou could get some dogs or marauder horsemen. Entirely up to you. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150631.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150631.page GMT Re:WoC Monster Mash 2400. BSB, but that would only be a 4+ ward wouldn't it with no spare points for the reroll.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150661.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150661.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400. MoT makes his 4++ a 3++ and the eye let's him reroll 1s. You'd have plenty of points for the talisman and some dogs if you switched him onto a disc. And he'd fly so could be wherever you need him to be. It's a pretty common setup for a chaos bsb.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150736.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150736.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400.
titaniumkiz wrote:
MoT makes his 4++ a 3++ and the eye let's him reroll 1s. You'd have plenty of points for the talisman and some dogs if you switched him onto a disc. And he'd fly so could be wherever you need him to be. It's a pretty common setup for a chaos bsb.


Agreed but heros only have a 50 point allowance, cannot take talisman of preservation AND 3rd eye?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150758.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150758.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400.
 mixer86 wrote:
titaniumkiz wrote:
MoT makes his 4++ a 3++ and the eye let's him reroll 1s. You'd have plenty of points for the talisman and some dogs if you switched him onto a disc. And he'd fly so could be wherever you need him to be. It's a pretty common setup for a chaos bsb.


Agreed but heros only have a 50 point allowance, cannot take talisman of preservation AND 3rd eye?


Third Eye is a gift, so it doesn't count against your magic allotment. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150800.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150800.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150839.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150839.page GMT Re:WoC Monster Mash 2400.
So here's the revision (please let me know if the points are right):

Lord
Prince- MoN, Level 3, Chaos Armour, Scaled Skin, Familiar, Soul Feeder, Charmed Shield, Dragon Bane Gem, Sword of Striking- 430

Heros
Scyla- 105
Throgg- 195
Exalted Hero- MoT, 3rd eye, Burning Body, Enchanted Shield, BSB, Talisman of Preservation, Disc- 230?

Core
11 Trolls- 385
Chariot- MoK- 120
Chariot- MoK- 120

Special
7 Dragon Ogres- AHW, Champion- 465

Rare
Chaos Spawn- MoT- 65
Chaos Spawn- MoT- 65
Dragon Ogre Shaggoth- 215

Total= 2395

what to spend the spare points on?

P.S. thanks for all the help so far guys.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150844.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150844.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Add daemonic flight and sword of striking to your DP for sure.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
That would give you 50 points leftover I'd recommend 5 dogs with vanguard and burning body on your bsb.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150848.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150848.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400.
titaniumkiz wrote:
He can take 50 points of items and 25 in gifts. So you could also give him burning body too and use him to hunt annoying regenerating monsters if you want.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Add daemonic flight and sword of striking to your DP for sure.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
That would give you 50 points leftover I'd recommend 5 dogs with vanguard and burning body on your bsb.


Quite right, and that would take him to his limit for everything?

regarding spawn, MoN or MoT?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150885.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150885.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400.
I would still like to see a 7th Drogre for Scyla to rank up properly. I even have a spare I can give you (I use units of 5).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150902.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150902.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400.
 FlingitNow wrote:
On the spawn: Poison meh, Breath weapon hell's yeah!!!! So make of Tzeentch all the way!

I would still like to see a 7th Drogre for Scyla to rank up properly. I even have a spare I can give you (I use units of 5).


Now there's a generous offer, cheers mate.

Whats the points for MoT? i think its 3 x Enchanted shield?

I've amended the above list revision.

i make it 20 points left. Please tell me someone that i have got this right?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150921.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150921.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400. DP. It's 15 points and makes him hit on 2+ against almost everything in close combat.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150939.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150939.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400.
titaniumkiz wrote:
Sword of striking on the DP. It's 15 points and makes him hit on 2+ against almost everything in close combat.


I like that a lot!!!!

5 points to go, assuming all the points are correct.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150951.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150951.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400. MoT is 5 points more than you guessed. Your BsB is 240 points so you're bang on 2400 at the moment.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150960.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150960.page GMT Re:WoC Monster Mash 2400.
Lord
Prince- MoN, Level 3, Chaos Armour, Scaled Skin, Familiar, Soul Feeder, Charmed Shield, Dragon Bane Gem- 415

Heros
Scyla- 105
Throgg- 195
Exalted Hero- MoT, 3rd eye, Burning Body, Enchanted Shield, BSB, Talisman of Preservation, Disc- 240

Core
11 Trolls- 385
Chariot- MoK- 120
Chariot- MoK- 120

Special
7 Dragon Ogres- AHW, Champion- 465

Rare
Chaos Spawn- MoT- 70
Chaos Spawn- MoT- 70
Dragon Ogre Shaggoth- 215

Total= 2400.

Thanks a million everyone, and flingitnow for the generous free drogre, my general Obie (for those not in the know, our new nickname for scyla) will be pleased.

Now we have tweaked, do people think its any good, not looking forward all out competitive but i'm not a fan of losing in general.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150994.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6150994.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400. MoN DP as Peter Griffin now!!! I can just imagine the Chaos gods telling the DP that "whilst we don't understand Scylla's management style he has proven himself a far more effective chaos champion that you. If you value your Daemon status you'll put your finger in his mouth"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6151049.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6151049.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400.
 FlingitNow wrote:
Have to model that MoN DP as Peter Griffin now!!! I can just imagine the Chaos gods telling the DP that "whilst we don't understand Scylla's management style he has proven himself a far more effective chaos champion that you. If you value your Daemon status you'll put your finger in his mouth"


Now there is challenge.

On a similar note, Scylla walked in on my DP with his ho, he was happy.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6151089.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6151089.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6151111.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6151111.page GMT Re:WoC Monster Mash 2400.
That'll do for me and Scyla.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6151190.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6151190.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400.
I have found spawn really dissapointing - random movement is slow & has no charge. Spawn that generate in combat rock though.

Chimera + Flying DP could be an entire scary wing of your army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6152348.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6152348.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400.
Niteware wrote:
In case you still are interested... a Chimera with regen and flaming is likely to do better than shaggoth + Spawn.

I have found spawn really dissapointing - random movement is slow & has no charge. Spawn that generate in combat rock though.

Chimera + Flying DP could be an entire scary wing of your army.


Of course i'm still interested, haven't begun purchasing yet (though i will begin buying parts soon).

The spawn i like the feel of as they fit the theme of the army but with a breath weapon each i like the utility they give my army, the shaggoth however is purely thematic. a good monster but would a chimera be worth it? considering the other changes i would have to make to the list to fit him in.

I'm also with Flingitnow on the subject of wings for the DP, i feel he's fast enough without the extra inch for what it costs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6153041.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6153041.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6153116.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6153116.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400.
 FlingitNow wrote:
Wings are important if you're up against a lot of chaff hammer as it allows the Prince to fly over it and get into combat with what he wants to fight.


Agreed, although we don't tend to see too much of it round our way.

Assuming i wanted to incorporate wings, what changes would you suggest to squeeze it in and possibly a chimera insted of the shaggoth?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6153228.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6153228.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400.
Though I disagree with Niteware on whether random movementis bad. I see it as the most broken thing in Warhammer right now, it dovetails well with the breath weapon as if you fall short you should get a powerful breath attack. Spawn will also murder chaff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6153241.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6153241.page GMT Re:WoC Monster Mash 2400. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6153301.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6153301.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6153359.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6153359.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400.
 FlingitNow wrote:
I'm a little bias as the Shaggoth is my favourite monster model. But T6 goes a long way.


You talking about the Shaggoth or the Chimera?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6153459.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6153459.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6153572.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6153572.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400.
 FlingitNow wrote:
Shaggoth is T6 right? Or am I going mental? Shaggoth is a gorgeous model.


I think so, though not 100%.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6154014.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6154014.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6154122.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6154122.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400.
Still, he's hilarious in combat as long as you can get him there. And he's gorgeous.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6154248.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6154248.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400. WoC, you may need to cover the full distance (or close to it) with juat your move. Random movement 2d6 averages 7" moved, with no extra charge dice. Assuming you are likely to have to move 24", it is 3 turns till your breath weapon could be useful, 4 turns to cc.
I love spawn from EOTG, they cause havoc, but 2d6 mogement is so so slow.
Shaggoth should be in combat turn 3, but has limited choice on who to charge.
The joy of wings is charging the unit you want.- ideally infantry to thunderstomp. Chimera gets in to combat tturn 1 or 2 and has a ludicrous number of attacks - between 8 and 15 on infantry + option of brwath weapon.
I have played 2 games recently with 3 - 4 chimerae and have one each at the end of turn 3 with a total victory. I love them. They don't like cannon much, but you can pretty much keep them in combat.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6155541.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6155541.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400.
You should add a few units as chaff/ re-directors considering how few drops you are packing. Also, for Throgg lists, I like small units of Trolls in addition to one larger unit. Maybe drop the two chariotsand add 2-3 units of dogs and 2 units of 3-4 Trolls in place of them.

You also mention you do not necessarily want a competitive list, but took two of the staples from the WoC tournament army template: Unkillable DP and Unkillable BSB.

You could trim a lot of points down and add some more risky/ fun choices in addition to your trolls! Multiple Jugger Exalted, a Lv4 on disc/ daemonic mount, naked Exalted on Discs just for kicks.... You are limiting your character selection I think!

Love the Shaggoth though! No one else runs him... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6156390.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6156390.page GMT WoC Monster Mash 2400. DE likely to be popular with Dark Riders and Warlocks everywhere Peg heroes and other chaff Spawn can just nail that stuff where ever it moves to. With Mixers rolling on 2d6 those Spawn should be moving 13-14" a turn (trust me I'm not bitter ). The Chimera is awesome and is a power house of the book, but the Shaggoth is still decent and oh so pretty. In most cases they make combat the same time the Chimera is just more guaranteed and has better choices.

Chaff hammer is not common amongst his meta, I'm the only one he regularly faces where its likely to be an issue. He has 2 Chariots and 2 Spawn as chaff and chaff clearers. They lack the speed of dogs. Multiple hordes and death stars are what he faces. People trying to out kill each other than that out manoeuvre each other.

He's not massively low on drops he's got 8. Which is about right for warriors you don't want too many drops as the +1 is important but you want to see all the chaff before placing your important units.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6156597.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6156597.page GMT Re:WoC Monster Mash 2400.
Agreed that random movement is "random" but it adds a bit of spice to the list that i think i want to try, and although Fling's estimation of my D6 rolling is "generous" (Fateweaver vs 1750 Tau shooting excluding ) i do feel the spawn are something that need to be dealt with properly whereas dogs don't pose that issue for people. They are good, no argument from me about it.

Must admit i do really love the shaggoth model, especially considering its age and rarity of use. i'm gonna get the model regardless so will start with him and see how he pans out.

Pervertdhermit: ok fair enough, i'm taking a DP and BSB and are very good, but they fit the theme, plus i've got a kit bash in mind foe the BSB using the chasis from the Daemon tzeentch chariot for his disc. and the DP because he is a monster for my monster list. yes they may be competitive choices, but the list contains plenty of fun without running juggers, again they are awesome but using them isn't a challenge, like mournfang they are a point and click win button. And as i said, not uber comp, but i still don't like losing .]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6157009.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/557884/6157009.page GMT