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I’ve thinking about getting back into my fantasy proper with Warriors, but not really.

What I mean of course is a monster list with Throgg and everyone’s favourite nut case, Scyla.

Here’s the list:

Lord
Prince- MoN, Level 3, Chaos Armour, Scaled Skin, Familiar, Soul Feeder, Charmed Shield, Dragon Bane Gem

Heros
Scyla
Throgg
Exalted Hero- MoT, 3rd eye, Enchanted Shield, BSB, Warshrine with MoT

Core
12 Trolls
Chariot- MoK
Chariot- MoK

Special
6 Dragon Ogres- AHW, Champion

Rare
Chaos Spawn
Chaos Spawn
Dragon Ogre Shaggoth

Now from my own memory regarding points for them I make this list 2375 as is (please correct me if I am wrong).

The theory:
Throgg joins trolls
Scyla joins Drogres
BSB should have a 1+/3+ ward rerolling 1’s on ward, so should be ok on his own, buffing characters when needed.
DP does what he does best, 4 spells to boot.
Chariots support
Spawn annoy
Shaggoth for flavour.

What does everyone think?

Warshrine doesn't transfer it's ward save to the bsb so you're going to have to give him talisman of preservation or something. Also, Throgg and your bsb are the only things in the list with eye of the gods (I think, not looking at the book) so the shrine won't be used to the fullest. It does make a badass looking mount though and overall I think the list looks fun and a bit off from every other chaos list we see.

Warshrine doesn't transfer it's ward save to the bsb so you're going to have to give him talisman of preservation or something.

That is beyond annoying, i guess i only need to find 20 points providing my total is correct.

Also, Throgg and your bsb are the only things in the list with eye of the gods (I think, not looking at the book) so the shrine won't be used to the fullest. It does make a badass looking mount though and overall I think the list looks fun and a bit off from every other chaos list we see

Scyla? DP?

hmmmmm cannot confirm yet, glad you could see what i was going for. any suggestions on an alternative for the BSB? really don't want him on foot, but where to put him if not on a warshrine?

You can drop one troll and with Through there they would be evenly ranked. That would free up 35 points and if you wanted you could drop the familiar and make the DP a level 4. You would lose the 5+ channeling but gain +1 to dispel and would be at 2400 exactly.

titaniumkiz wrote:
You can drop one troll and with Through there they would be evenly ranked. That would free up 35 points and if you wanted you could drop the familiar and make the DP a level 4. You would lose the 5+ channeling but gain +1 to dispel and would be at 2400 exactly.

Are you saying my list is already at 2400 and not 2375?

Also any ideas for the BSB dilema?

Give the BsB a disc and Talisman of Preservation. That'll annoy the hell out of people and save you points. You should be able to afford that 7th Drogre so they rank up properly with Scyla.

Then drop a Troll (unless you need minimum core) and get MoT on those Spawn!

I didn't do the math on your list. I can if you want. I was saying if you dropped a troll you could put talisman of preservation on your bsb and you'd still have enough points to swap the familiar on your DP and make him a level 4. You could also put your bsb on a disc instead which frees up another 105 points. The shrine won't be doing a whole lot in this list and with the pointsyou could get some dogs or marauder horsemen. Entirely up to you.

Thanks to you both, i do like the idea of the disc BSB, but that would only be a 4+ ward wouldn't it with no spare points for the reroll.

MoT makes his 4++ a 3++ and the eye let's him reroll 1s. You'd have plenty of points for the talisman and some dogs if you switched him onto a disc. And he'd fly so could be wherever you need him to be. It's a pretty common setup for a chaos bsb.

titaniumkiz wrote:
MoT makes his 4++ a 3++ and the eye let's him reroll 1s. You'd have plenty of points for the talisman and some dogs if you switched him onto a disc. And he'd fly so could be wherever you need him to be. It's a pretty common setup for a chaos bsb.

Agreed but heros only have a 50 point allowance, cannot take talisman of preservation AND 3rd eye?

 mixer86 wrote:

titaniumkiz wrote:
MoT makes his 4++ a 3++ and the eye let's him reroll 1s. You'd have plenty of points for the talisman and some dogs if you switched him onto a disc. And he'd fly so could be wherever you need him to be. It's a pretty common setup for a chaos bsb.

Agreed but heros only have a 50 point allowance, cannot take talisman of preservation AND 3rd eye?

Third Eye is a gift, so it doesn't count against your magic allotment.

50 points of magic items, 25 points of gifts.

i thought it did, if not groovy.

So here's the revision (please let me know if the points are right):

Lord
Prince- MoN, Level 3, Chaos Armour, Scaled Skin, Familiar, Soul Feeder, Charmed Shield, Dragon Bane Gem, Sword of Striking- 430

Heros
Scyla- 105
Throgg- 195
Exalted Hero- MoT, 3rd eye, Burning Body, Enchanted Shield, BSB, Talisman of Preservation, Disc- 230?

Core
11 Trolls- 385
Chariot- MoK- 120
Chariot- MoK- 120

Special
7 Dragon Ogres- AHW, Champion- 465

Rare
Chaos Spawn- MoT- 65
Chaos Spawn- MoT- 65
Dragon Ogre Shaggoth- 215

Total= 2395

what to spend the spare points on?

P.S. thanks for all the help so far guys.

He can take 50 points of items and 25 in gifts. So you could also give him burning body too and use him to hunt annoying regenerating monsters if you want.


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Add daemonic flight and sword of striking to your DP for sure.


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That would give you 50 points leftover I'd recommend 5 dogs with vanguard and burning body on your bsb.

titaniumkiz wrote:
He can take 50 points of items and 25 in gifts. So you could also give him burning body too and use him to hunt annoying regenerating monsters if you want.


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Add daemonic flight and sword of striking to your DP for sure.


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That would give you 50 points leftover I'd recommend 5 dogs with vanguard and burning body on your bsb.

Quite right, and that would take him to his limit for everything?

regarding spawn, MoN or MoT?

On the spawn: Poison meh, Breath weapon hell's yeah!!!! So make of Tzeentch all the way!

I would still like to see a 7th Drogre for Scyla to rank up properly. I even have a spare I can give you (I use units of 5).

 FlingitNow wrote:
On the spawn: Poison meh, Breath weapon hell's yeah!!!! So make of Tzeentch all the way!

I would still like to see a 7th Drogre for Scyla to rank up properly. I even have a spare I can give you (I use units of 5).

Now there's a generous offer, cheers mate.

Whats the points for MoT? i think its 3 x Enchanted shield?

I've amended the above list revision.

i make it 20 points left. Please tell me someone that i have got this right?

Sword of striking on the DP. It's 15 points and makes him hit on 2+ against almost everything in close combat.

titaniumkiz wrote:
Sword of striking on the DP. It's 15 points and makes him hit on 2+ against almost everything in close combat.

I like that a lot!!!!

5 points to go, assuming all the points are correct.

MoT is 5 points more than you guessed. Your BsB is 240 points so you're bang on 2400 at the moment.

Ok Final list then guys:

Lord
Prince- MoN, Level 3, Chaos Armour, Scaled Skin, Familiar, Soul Feeder, Charmed Shield, Dragon Bane Gem- 415

Heros
Scyla- 105
Throgg- 195
Exalted Hero- MoT, 3rd eye, Burning Body, Enchanted Shield, BSB, Talisman of Preservation, Disc- 240

Core
11 Trolls- 385
Chariot- MoK- 120
Chariot- MoK- 120

Special
7 Dragon Ogres- AHW, Champion- 465

Rare
Chaos Spawn- MoT- 70
Chaos Spawn- MoT- 70
Dragon Ogre Shaggoth- 215

Total= 2400.

Thanks a million everyone, and flingitnow for the generous free drogre, my general Obie (for those not in the know, our new nickname for scyla) will be pleased.

Now we have tweaked, do people think its any good, not looking forward all out competitive but i'm not a fan of losing in general.

Have to model that MoN DP as Peter Griffin now!!! I can just imagine the Chaos gods telling the DP that "whilst we don't understand Scylla's management style he has proven himself a far more effective chaos champion that you. If you value your Daemon status you'll put your finger in his mouth"

 FlingitNow wrote:
Have to model that MoN DP as Peter Griffin now!!! I can just imagine the Chaos gods telling the DP that "whilst we don't understand Scylla's management style he has proven himself a far more effective chaos champion that you. If you value your Daemon status you'll put your finger in his mouth"

Now there is challenge.

On a similar note, Scylla walked in on my DP with his ho, he was happy.

Lmao! That's great. I think the list looks good. You won't win every game but you shouldn't lose them all either. It certainly looks fun and the note you play the better you will get with it.

Glad to hear it. naturally this list won't stack up against uber comp lists but as you say, its fun, its rarely seen and still hits very hard.

That'll do for me and Scyla.

In case you still are interested... a Chimera with regen and flaming is likely to do better than shaggoth + Spawn.

I have found spawn really dissapointing - random movement is slow & has no charge. Spawn that generate in combat rock though.

Chimera + Flying DP could be an entire scary wing of your army.

Niteware wrote:
In case you still are interested... a Chimera with regen and flaming is likely to do better than shaggoth + Spawn.

I have found spawn really dissapointing - random movement is slow & has no charge. Spawn that generate in combat rock though.

Chimera + Flying DP could be an entire scary wing of your army.

Of course i'm still interested, haven't begun purchasing yet (though i will begin buying parts soon).

The spawn i like the feel of as they fit the theme of the army but with a breath weapon each i like the utility they give my army, the shaggoth however is purely thematic. a good monster but would a chimera be worth it? considering the other changes i would have to make to the list to fit him in.

I'm also with Flingitnow on the subject of wings for the DP, i feel he's fast enough without the extra inch for what it costs.

Wings are important if you're up against a lot of chaff hammer as it allows the Prince to fly over it and get into combat with what he wants to fight.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Wings are important if you're up against a lot of chaff hammer as it allows the Prince to fly over it and get into combat with what he wants to fight.

Agreed, although we don't tend to see too much of it round our way.

Assuming i wanted to incorporate wings, what changes would you suggest to squeeze it in and possibly a chimera insted of the shaggoth?

I don't think you need wings. There are ways around needing wings anyway remember Princes go down last.

Though I disagree with Niteware on whether random movementis bad. I see it as the most broken thing in Warhammer right now, it dovetails well with the breath weapon as if you fall short you should get a powerful breath attack. Spawn will also murder chaff.