BlaxicanX wrote:Unless Erebus fighting Lucius to a standstill happened recently, I don't see how its really relevant. Lucius has shown the most rapid increase in martial skill in the entire series behind Lorgar. In the space of a year he went from getting one-shotted by Loken to destroying him in moments and casually solo'ing the Phoenix Guard. Less than a year after that he's fighting entire squads of enemies by himself and destroying them while doing silly gak like holding one hand behind his back or hopping around on one leg, because fighting normally would be too boring and easy.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Unless Erebus fighting Lucius to a standstill happened recently, I don't see how its really relevant. Lucius has shown the most rapid increase in martial skill in the entire series behind Lorgar. In the space of a year he went from getting one-shotted by Loken to destroying him in moments and casually solo'ing the Phoenix Guard. Less than a year after that he's fighting entire squads of enemies by himself and destroying them while doing silly gak like holding one hand behind his back or hopping around on one leg, because fighting normally would be too boring and easy.

And similarly a Kharn that was incapable of any rational thought was beating Torgaddon and Loken at the same time in martial combat (They had to use a Dozer blade to beat him as you recall). As for mook-killing, to be blunt I'm not really that impressed, Kharn does the same gak every other scene in Betrayer, hacking through Tetharchs (Sp?) one after another, alongside "lesser" combatants. And while Lucius has improved since he dueled Erebus, we haven't seen evidence of improvement to the extent that he'd be capable of outright dominating a renowned (If cowardly) warrior like Erebus. Kharn's blows were literally so quick as to not be perceived by fellow Space Marines, which IIRC has never been the case for Lucius.