TheCustomLime wrote:
I am going to go on a limb here but, if this is true, the time when a Helbrute rampaged through all those SoB. If that really happened then my Leman Russ Exterminator is better than an entire order of the Sisters. Including a living saint.

Animus wrote:
The Horus Heresy series.

bobamus87 wrote:
Mine is Nykona Sharrowkin, I mean, i'll admit, I'm an Emperor's Children fanboy.

But, to completely retcon fluff the way they did is a bit much.

Lucius was killed by Lord Commander Cyrius originally.

But, they for some reason brought in this Sharrowkin scrub

to pwn him and make it look easy. Kind of weak sauce imo,

considering Lucius is widely known as one of the best

duelists in all the legions, and they retcon it to have him be

Sharrowkin's b***.

And they didn't even have Lucius come back in his patented way.

 Troike wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I am going to go on a limb here but, if this is true, the time when a Helbrute rampaged through all those SoB. If that really happened then my Leman Russ Exterminator is better than an entire order of the Sisters. Including a living saint.

1d4chan is not to be trusted as a completely accurate source of information.

The section I think you read that from is very inaccurate, anyway.

Graphite wrote:
Rick Priestly's Terrible Grasp Of Numbers.

 Miguelsan wrote:

So moving stuff across the warp is difficult and all that stuff but here we have examples of people wasting stuff like water. If ammunition is expensive to bring to a world, how the hell they get IG regiments from the other side of the Imperium on planet?

M.

 PredaKhaine wrote:

I'm still waiting for my WTF moment. That will be whan an Eldar Avatar wins a fight.

 Cruentus wrote:

 PredaKhaine wrote:

I'm still waiting for my WTF moment. That will be whan an Eldar Avatar wins a fight.

Then read the black library novel "shadow point". You have to wait till near the end, but you'll have your moment.

My WTF moments have to do with backflipping terminators, or terminators surfing the tops of land raiders. Those kinds of things really test my suspension of disbelief, which is saying something since we're talking about 40k.

 Troike wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I am going to go on a limb here but, if this is true, the time when a Helbrute rampaged through all those SoB. If that really happened then my Leman Russ Exterminator is better than an entire order of the Sisters. Including a living saint.

1d4chan is not to be trusted as a completely accurate source of information.

The section I think you read that from is very inaccurate, anyway.

 Miguelsan wrote:
An instance of DKoK bombarding a rebellious hive 3 years after all signs of life ceased.

 Lucarikx wrote:
C.S. Goto.

 Miguelsan wrote:
An instance of DKoK bombarding a rebellious hive 3 years after all signs of life ceased.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:
An instance of DKoK bombarding a rebellious hive 3 years after all signs of life ceased.

I was going to point at that very moment myself, not only for the gratuitous OTT cruelty but also for what may be a veiled reference to the Holocaust. The name Hive Derondii sounds strikingly similar to Daniel Deronda, the titular jewish character from a proto-zionist novel written in Britain in the 1800s.

As if the "88th Siege Regiment" wasn't enough...

 TheRedWingArmada wrote:
Anytime my Cultists kill a Space Marine with an Autopistol. There is just no good way I can rationalize that in my head.

Power Armor can survive orbital bombardment....but crack when pelted with .22 caliber rounds. ;>> The only way this works for me is if the bullet went through the eye piece and even that is pushing it.

 Psienesis wrote:
GW's own fluff states that PA is effective up to 85% of the time.

... that's not really that good.

 StarTrotter wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
GW's own fluff states that PA is effective up to 85% of the time.

... that's not really that good.

Yeah..... In the grimdark world of 40k where most guns are far more terrifying than a lasgun (and other standard arms) and the enemies that get into cc have crazy scary weapons and the sorts..... 85% of the time really isn't that good for such rare and elite armor xD

 StarTrotter wrote:

 TheRedWingArmada wrote:
Anytime my Cultists kill a Space Marine with an Autopistol. There is just no good way I can rationalize that in my head.

Power Armor can survive orbital bombardment....but crack when pelted with .22 caliber rounds. ;>> The only way this works for me is if the bullet went through the eye piece and even that is pushing it.

Obviously the space marine had taken his helmet off in all seriousness, marines aren't entirely secure. Much of the fluff calls them tanks but then you read books where marines are slaughtered in the dozens whilst some fluff says the armour protects from standard arms about 80% of the time. There's many weak joints. Where the armour permits for limbs to bend are bital weaknesses not to mention the eye ports.

For me.... it still has to be when the GK blow up a retreating vessel that was holding refugees to kill the Changeling. Congrats guys.... you just put the seed of the first fall of GK, killed many innocent civilians, and destroyed another space craft.... to destroy a ship for a daemon that was known to be capable of teleportation, was likely going to fade out in only a bit, and simply would return to the warp upon his destruction in the material realm, reform, and return whenever the feth he pleases?

 TheRedWingArmada wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:

 TheRedWingArmada wrote:
Anytime my Cultists kill a Space Marine with an Autopistol. There is just no good way I can rationalize that in my head.

Power Armor can survive orbital bombardment....but crack when pelted with .22 caliber rounds. ;>> The only way this works for me is if the bullet went through the eye piece and even that is pushing it.

Obviously the space marine had taken his helmet off in all seriousness, marines aren't entirely secure. Much of the fluff calls them tanks but then you read books where marines are slaughtered in the dozens whilst some fluff says the armour protects from standard arms about 80% of the time. There's many weak joints. Where the armour permits for limbs to bend are bital weaknesses not to mention the eye ports.

For me.... it still has to be when the GK blow up a retreating vessel that was holding refugees to kill the Changeling. Congrats guys.... you just put the seed of the first fall of GK, killed many innocent civilians, and destroyed another space craft.... to destroy a ship for a daemon that was known to be capable of teleportation, was likely going to fade out in only a bit, and simply would return to the warp upon his destruction in the material realm, reform, and return whenever the feth he pleases?

Fixed.

And I've thought about Space Marine armor and all of it's over glorification and under-powering and it still doesn't explain to me how freaks like Cultists are blind firing on the charge and managing to inflict fatal wounds, not just against that armor but against the supposed, superior physiology of a Space Marine in the first place. lol It's just not possible in my book. Like when I read about prisoners being corralled by the Imperial Guard to fight Warpsmiths, and then some idiot trying to gouge one of their eyes out and getting his fingers bitten off instead. It's like, "What did you expect was going to happen? Drug induced frenzy or not, only Orkz are allowed to believe themselves that awesome!"

Or how about this highly unlikely but I've seen it happen scenario: A Vindicator scatters a shell behind it's own gun barrel? lol. That's a pretty strong wind-gust to throw the shell that far off course. I like to think of those moments as Tzeentch sticking his nose into a fight and letting out a breath.

 TheRedWingArmada wrote:

Power Armor can survive orbital bombardment....but crack when pelted with .308 caliber rounds

SkavenLord wrote:
Don't know if Dawn of War counts but a certain part in Soulstorm where somehow 100 BANEBLADES were lost.

 TheRedWingArmada wrote:
Anytime my Cultists kill anything that isn't Guardsmen. There is just no good way I can rationalize that in my head.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

 TheRedWingArmada wrote:
Anytime my Cultists kill anything that isn't Guardsmen. There is just no good way I can rationalize that in my head.

Fix'd

When my cultists take down Terminators with rusty wrenches, I feel the pain even more than my opponent does.

 Zed wrote:
Draigo carving a name (was it Janus?) onto Mortarion's heart.

Head Grey Knight banished a Daemon Primarch? Sure, I'll buy that. Head Grey Knight held a Daemon Primarch down long enough to start playing high-stakes Operation? Appalling.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Zed wrote:
Draigo carving a name (was it Janus?) onto Mortarion's heart.

Head Grey Knight banished a Daemon Primarch? Sure, I'll buy that. Head Grey Knight held a Daemon Primarch down long enough to start playing high-stakes Operation? Appalling.

As far as Codices go, that's probably the most absurd story in ANY of them..As if Mat Ward has no idea that a Primarch is to a space marine as a space marine is to a human.. There no way a space marine (GK or not, they are still a space marine) would be able to defeat a Primarch.. let alone a DEMON Primarch.

 Zed wrote:
Draigo carving a name (was it Janus?) onto Mortarion's heart.

StarTrotter wrote:...... *facepalm* I really just said fateweaver and not Changeling.... wow the level of derp

 Zweischneid wrote:

- When a Dark Eldar named Decapitator (wielding a sword also called Decapitator) became the greatest known threat to the Galaxy, as he will end both the Warp and (!) the material Universe in one fell swoop when the decapitated enough people with his decapitator-sword to feed some (non-Warp) extra-dimensional Dark Power nobody ever even heard about in 40K.

 UlrikDecado wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:

So moving stuff across the warp is difficult and all that stuff but here we have examples of people wasting stuff like water. If ammunition is expensive to bring to a world, how the hell they get IG regiments from the other side of the Imperium on planet?

M.

(sorry, couldnt resist...but the response itself is honest)

 xXWeaponPrimeXx wrote:

 UlrikDecado wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:

So moving stuff across the warp is difficult and all that stuff but here we have examples of people wasting stuff like water. If ammunition is expensive to bring to a world, how the hell they get IG regiments from the other side of the Imperium on planet?

M.

(sorry, couldnt resist...but the response itself is honest)

What is that from? O_o

 Bobthehero wrote:
I hope you mean Star Wars Storm troopers, because WH40k stormies are NOT those guys.

Bobthehero wrote:I hope you mean Star Wars Storm troopers, because WH40k stormies are NOT those guys.

 Zweischneid wrote:
- When Space Wolves butchered Sister 'cause they flew to close to Fenris

 xXWeaponPrimeXx wrote:

 UlrikDecado wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:

So moving stuff across the warp is difficult and all that stuff but here we have examples of people wasting stuff like water. If ammunition is expensive to bring to a world, how the hell they get IG regiments from the other side of the Imperium on planet?

M.

(sorry, couldnt resist...but the response itself is honest)

What is that from? O_o

Cleanse_and_burn wrote:
Coming back to the Ultramarine movie, I want to know what the hell that Imperial Fists chaplain had.

 KommissarKiln wrote:
Those CSMs from that shoddy CGI film were clearly regular cultists just dressed like real CSMs. Those "backpacks" and their "power armor" were really just cardboard and construction paper.

herpguy wrote:
When Inquisitor Hector Rex beat up the most powerful Bloodthirster ever IN SINGLE COMBAT. I have to say that that is even more implausible than Draigo's exploits.

 Jimsolo wrote:
When the Grey Knights ran a bunch of Sisters through a blender just to give their armor a new coat of paint. It would have been fine (it's a brutal setting, after all) but for the continued claim, exterior to the fluff, that the GK are "untainted by Chaos."

 StarTrotter wrote:

herpguy wrote:
When Inquisitor Hector Rex beat up the most powerful Bloodthirster ever IN SINGLE COMBAT. I have to say that that is even more implausible than Draigo's exploits.

Meh I'd still give it to draigo here. What's that? He somehow dodges all of the death shroud, beats down a daemon prince of nurgle (which is probably one of nurgle's top 2 guys), carves the name into the heart (how can you even do that. He's friggin warp juju and even if you did this he still should fade away when lost. Then again it wouldn't make sense for him to really win solo to begin with). Then he's all like oh no I get pulled into the warp. You can't just live in the warp casually dude. That's not how it works. It's not eve na real place. Anyways, he goes about killing DP, reforging his sword (how do you do that in the warp?), some greater daemons, and storms around, and then he comes out ONLY to fight giant chaos incursions yet he happens to fight every other force just fine as well.

 raiden wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
When the Grey Knights ran a bunch of Sisters through a blender just to give their armor a new coat of paint. It would have been fine (it's a brutal setting, after all) but for the continued claim, exterior to the fluff, that the GK are "untainted by Chaos."

but they are. The blood of the good, pure people protects them and empowers their armor (which, seems to be true enough) remeber its grimdark because its the best they can do to SURVIVE not cuz they said "oh hey, this would be fun"


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 StarTrotter wrote:

herpguy wrote:
When Inquisitor Hector Rex beat up the most powerful Bloodthirster ever IN SINGLE COMBAT. I have to say that that is even more implausible than Draigo's exploits.

Meh I'd still give it to draigo here. What's that? He somehow dodges all of the death shroud, beats down a daemon prince of nurgle (which is probably one of nurgle's top 2 guys), carves the name into the heart (how can you even do that. He's friggin warp juju and even if you did this he still should fade away when lost. Then again it wouldn't make sense for him to really win solo to begin with). Then he's all like oh no I get pulled into the warp. You can't just live in the warp casually dude. That's not how it works. It's not eve na real place. Anyways, he goes about killing DP, reforging his sword (how do you do that in the warp?), some greater daemons, and storms around, and then he comes out ONLY to fight giant chaos incursions yet he happens to fight every other force just fine as well.

star, which bloodthisrter? if its not kah, kha, something, I can't recall atm (the ony sangy and sanguinius kill) then no, it wasn't the most powerful

also, remember he destroyed several daemon cities in his rampage (several times over I will add) and its now left alone as one of the most feared things in the warp. lol.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

Cleanse_and_burn wrote:
Coming back to the Ultramarine movie, I want to know what the hell that Imperial Fists chaplain had.

Plot armour made into a weapon.

 Valkyrie wrote:
I wouldn't say Draigo in this case since beating a Daemon Primarch has already been done (Aurelian and Angron), but the one which really pisses me off is the stuff in the SW Codex:

- Finn Goresson smashes a Strike Cruiser into an Ork Superkroozer. Not only does the ship survive the impact, but the Wolves take the ship after six months of fighting.

- Osric Three-Fists launches squads of Wolves out of the ships' airlocks. Not boarding craft, the actual Wolves, despite the fact that naval conflicts are noted to take place over spans of thousands of kilometres, and although only 30 Wolves make it, they manage to seize a bloody Chaos flagship ¬_¬

- Defending a Radical Inquisitor from the Ordo Malleus, looks like the Wolves will find any chance to wind them up.

- Svengar the Red lands on the Planet of Whores, and they love it. When he makes a pass at one of the women, the Wolves are slaughtered (good riddance ¬_¬)

- Gunnar launches an armoured assault against an underwater Tau base, by driving Land Raiders along the seabed.

 raiden wrote:
Ka'Bandha, first
amongst Khorne's servants and heir to power and stature
easily thrice that of others of his kind.

from my BA codex mate, I argue Ka'Bandha is the strongest BT

herpguy wrote:
My biggest issue is that throughout all 40K lore 10,000 year old CSM are treated as wholly inferior to a regular SM in all regards.

Valkyrie, that driving Land Raiders on the seabed is so dumb too. In WWII they tried to make ways to drive tanks on seabeds but even heavy tanks still float, and they could not gain traction.

Now I prepare you all for a huge WTF and biggest example of Vanilla Marines boner GW has made:

I think it was a short story but Lysander was just about to get completely butt raped by a bunch of possessed, Obliterators, and a Warsmith and then he realizes he's standing on the tomb of somebody who died from the world eater virus (or whatever it's called) and smashes it open and kills a bunch of dudes.
Then he is open to get ripped apart by some daemons after running away and then it just so happens he killed their leader years ago so they were bound to grant him "one wish" (seriously) and he orders them to go into the body of his dying techmarine they beat up and then he smacks the techmarines head off.
THEN the Warsmith calls upon a giant ship-sized daemon living under the hull of his own ship to come kill Lysander personally and it just so happens Lysander's previous ship that was infected by the Obliterator virus before comes out of the warp tentacles blazing and starts beating up the daemon and pulls it into the warp.
This story was so dumb I couldn't believe it.

herpguy wrote:
My biggest issue is that throughout all 40K lore 10,000 year old CSM are treated as wholly inferior to a regular SM in all regards.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
When Farsight and the eight took out an entire tyranid splinter-fleet with a virus. I love farsight, and this seems very tau-y, but if they have this technology why haven't they killed off more tyranid fleets.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
When Farsight and the eight took out an entire tyranid splinter-fleet with a virus. I love farsight, and this seems very tau-y, but if they have this technology why haven't they killed off more tyranid fleets.

Because that one was specifically tailored towards that splinter-fleet, the others while similar would have a vastly different bio-organic makeup compared to that one to likely be affected by that virus.

Cruz wrote:
Justicar Thawn. It was the first time I actually realized that some of the fluff is just... out there. The guy comes back to life - repeatedly, and everyone seems nonchalant about it. Even the writing states he has died several times and just revives within hours to fight alongside his brothers and no one questions it.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
When Farsight and the eight took out an entire tyranid splinter-fleet with a virus. I love farsight, and this seems very tau-y, but if they have this technology why haven't they killed off more tyranid fleets.

Because that one was specifically tailored towards that splinter-fleet, the others while similar would have a vastly different bio-organic makeup compared to that one to likely be affected by that virus.

I guess that makes sense. What I really like about the story is the earth caste scientists sacrificing themselves to get the virus to the tryranid in a true representation of Tau'va (greater good). Also farsight is amazing.

Animus wrote:

He's a psyker, magic powers are their bag
Though unfortunately during the short story Ghost Halls he's revealed to be a Perpetual.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

herpguy wrote:
My biggest issue is that throughout all 40K lore 10,000 year old CSM are treated as wholly inferior to a regular SM in all regards.

This one has never bothered me, because the CSM are NOT 10,000 years old. 10,000 years in real space time have passed since the Heresy, but time in the Warp is far, far different. For some CSM, the Heresy was only a few years ago for them in their own personal timelines. Besides, not all CSM come from the Heresy era, and those that did were, in fact, inferior to modern regular SM, as their training and indoctrination were basically rush jobs compared to modern SM recruits.

SkavenLord wrote:
Don't know if Dawn of War counts but a certain part in Soulstorm where somehow 100 BANEBLADES were lost.

 Silverthorne wrote:
Emperor, seeing the body of Sanguinus, his most beloved son, ripped and torn by Horus

"we can still talk it out'

Emperor, seeing some no-name guardsman get vaporized

"NOW YOU DIE"

Cleanse_and_burn wrote:

 Silverthorne wrote:
Emperor, seeing the body of Sanguinus, his most beloved son, ripped and torn by Horus

"we can still talk it out'

Emperor, seeing some no-name guardsman get vaporized

"NOW YOU DIE"

I thought it was a custodes? Still it really was really wierd.

 StarTrotter wrote:

Cleanse_and_burn wrote:

 Silverthorne wrote:
Emperor, seeing the body of Sanguinus, his most beloved son, ripped and torn by Horus

"we can still talk it out'

Emperor, seeing some no-name guardsman get vaporized

"NOW YOU DIE"

I thought it was a custodes? Still it really was really wierd.

It's been changed around. It used to be a no-name guardsman, than I think a marine, and then a custode. Many people prefer the guardsman. Also I agree seriously? Sanguinus dies oh we can still talk

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

herpguy wrote:
My biggest issue is that throughout all 40K lore 10,000 year old CSM are treated as wholly inferior to a regular SM in all regards.

This one has never bothered me, because the CSM are NOT 10,000 years old. 10,000 years in real space time have passed since the Heresy, but time in the Warp is far, far different. For some CSM, the Heresy was only a few years ago for them in their own personal timelines. Besides, not all CSM come from the Heresy era, and those that did were, in fact, inferior to modern regular SM, as their training and indoctrination were basically rush jobs compared to modern SM recruits.

This argument gets thrown around a lot, and it bothers me. Nowhere, I repeat, nowhere, does it say that time flows faster in the Warp compared to real space. It is repeatedly stated that time flows differently. But nowhere that it specifically goes slower. For every time someone says 'But those 10000 years might just have been 100 years!' I feel tempted to say 'Yes, but then it is equally likely that it has passed 19900 years for them...'

Or can you provide -any- source that says time simply flow slower there? Examples do not count. For example, the Night Lords books. If something is explicitly random, giving examples of it proves nothing.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

herpguy wrote:
My biggest issue is that throughout all 40K lore 10,000 year old CSM are treated as wholly inferior to a regular SM in all regards.

This one has never bothered me, because the CSM are NOT 10,000 years old. 10,000 years in real space time have passed since the Heresy, but time in the Warp is far, far different. For some CSM, the Heresy was only a few years ago for them in their own personal timelines. Besides, not all CSM come from the Heresy era, and those that did were, in fact, inferior to modern regular SM, as their training and indoctrination were basically rush jobs compared to modern SM recruits.

This argument gets thrown around a lot, and it bothers me. Nowhere, I repeat, nowhere, does it say that time flows faster in the Warp compared to real space. It is repeatedly stated that time flows differently. But nowhere that it specifically goes slower. For every time someone says 'But those 10000 years might just have been 100 years!' I feel tempted to say 'Yes, but then it is equally likely that it has passed 19900 years for them...'

Or can you provide -any- source that says time simply flow slower there? Examples do not count. For example, the Night Lords books. If something is explicitly random, giving examples of it proves nothing.

I assume you have missed all of the commentaries on the hazards of warp travel? Specifically the ones talking about how ships sometimes come out years/decades/centuries after they went in, with very little time passing for the travellers? Or the Ork warboss that actually went BACKWARDS in time? Or the Fallen Dark Angels that have been scattered throughout space and time?

I'm not saying that there are no CSM that have been kicking around that long, but to claim that all of them have is erroneous.

 Zweischneid wrote:

- When a Dark Eldar named Decapitator (wielding a sword also called Decapitator) became the greatest known threat to the Galaxy, as he will end both the Warp and (!) the material Universe in one fell swoop

 Psienesis wrote:
Sounds like some DE has a hardon for Skulltaker and is looking to take his title.

You come at the king, you better not miss.

herpguy wrote:
My biggest issue is that throughout all 40K lore 10,000 year old CSM are treated as wholly inferior to a regular SM in all regards.

Valkyrie, that driving Land Raiders on the seabed is so dumb too. In WWII they tried to make ways to drive tanks on seabeds but even heavy tanks still float, and they could not gain traction.

Now I prepare you all for a huge WTF and biggest example of Vanilla Marines boner GW has made:

I think it was a short story but Lysander was just about to get completely butt raped by a bunch of possessed, Obliterators, and a Warsmith and then he realizes he's standing on the tomb of somebody who died from the world eater virus (or whatever it's called) and smashes it open and kills a bunch of dudes.
Then he is open to get ripped apart by some daemons after running away and then it just so happens he killed their leader years ago so they were bound to grant him "one wish" (seriously) and he orders them to go into the body of his dying techmarine they beat up and then he smacks the techmarines head off.
THEN the Warsmith calls upon a giant ship-sized daemon living under the hull of his own ship to come kill Lysander personally and it just so happens Lysander's previous ship that was infected by the Obliterator virus before comes out of the warp tentacles blazing and starts beating up the daemon and pulls it into the warp.
This story was so dumb I couldn't believe it.

 Psienesis wrote:
Sounds like some DE has a hardon for Skulltaker and is looking to take his title.

You come at the king, you better not miss.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:


I assume you have missed all of the commentaries on the hazards of warp travel? Specifically the ones talking about how ships sometimes come out years/decades/centuries after they went in, with very little time passing for the travellers? Or the Ork warboss that actually went BACKWARDS in time? Or the Fallen Dark Angels that have been scattered throughout space and time?

I'm not saying that there are no CSM that have been kicking around that long, but to claim that all of them have is erroneous.

herpguy wrote:
THANK YOU BrotherHaraldus. It is so annoying how people constantly say this. In the Honsou books and short stories it is repeatedly stated that Honsou and all of the other Iron Warriors with any sort of rank are 10,000 years old. Many of their standard troops are also 10,000 years old. They also have been fighting for 10,000 years, whether Imperial foes or not. I'm pretty sure if they popped out of the Eye of Terror and noticed that Imperial time was a few thousand years in the future it would be something they would note...

herpguy wrote:
I haven't read a Honsou book in a few years, I'm going to have to dig up some fluff. I thought that he was created by Fabius Bile shortly after the siege of Terra.

welshhoppo wrote:
Honsou was created using Imperial Fist geneseed, hence why they call him the half-breed.

 reds8n wrote:

welshhoppo wrote:
Honsou was created using Imperial Fist geneseed, hence why they call him the half-breed.

Actually this was later retconned/revealed to be a mistaken assumption.

thepowerfulwill wrote:
In regards to Dante, don't blood angels stay young looking, some kinda mutation or something if I remember correctly....

 TheRedWingArmada wrote:
Anytime my Cultists kill a Space Marine with an Autopistol. There is just no good way I can rationalize that in my head.

Power Armor can survive orbital bombardment....but crack when pelted with .22 caliber rounds. ;>> The only way this works for me is if the bullet went through the eye piece and even that is pushing it.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
The whole of 40k is one big WTF moment

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Also this.




Because new Ultramarines recruits are always first assigned to Tactical Squads, and Power Armour is completely unable of stopping any form of incoming attack. >_<

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

Plot armour made into a weapon.

Bronzefists42 wrote:

 TheRedWingArmada wrote:
Anytime my Cultists kill a Space Marine with an Autopistol. There is just no good way I can rationalize that in my head.

Power Armor can survive orbital bombardment....but crack when pelted with .22 caliber rounds. ;>> The only way this works for me is if the bullet went through the eye piece and even that is pushing it.

They can still be hit through the joints in their armor. There is a part in The First Heretic where a high ranking word bearer is killed by a wooden spear piercing his neck.


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My WTF moment is how AOBR officially ended with only a handful of marines dying and all the orks dying, but in the last game I played I lose roughly 40 marines to DE.

 KommissarKiln wrote:

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

Plot armour made into a weapon.

I feel... A great... disturbance in the cinema, as if millions of real storyboard and script writers all cried out in terror... And were suddenly silenced.

herpguy wrote:

Bronzefists42 wrote:

 TheRedWingArmada wrote:
Anytime my Cultists kill a Space Marine with an Autopistol. There is just no good way I can rationalize that in my head.

Power Armor can survive orbital bombardment....but crack when pelted with .22 caliber rounds. ;>> The only way this works for me is if the bullet went through the eye piece and even that is pushing it.

They can still be hit through the joints in their armor. There is a part in The First Heretic where a high ranking word bearer is killed by a wooden spear piercing his neck.


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My WTF moment is how AOBR officially ended with only a handful of marines dying and all the orks dying, but in the last game I played I lose roughly 40 marines to DE.

Yeah but he is being held down (I thought it was a Custodes?).

 Omegus wrote:
The entire contents of the Emperor's Gift, Battle for the Fang, Outcast Dead, and Deliverance Lost.

So terrible.

 Omegus wrote:
The entire contents of the Emperor's Gift, Battle for the Fang

 Void__Dragon wrote:
I've read both, and pointed out their flaws in the past, I want to know why he thinks they are entirely bad.

 StarTrotter wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
I've read both, and pointed out their flaws in the past, I want to know why he thinks they are entirely bad.

My apologies, t'was just guessing. On another note, I have one thing that I've never been able to grasp and pretty what the feth. Simply put. How do the Thousand Sons work? Yeah the rubricate made most of them walking suits of undead armor and then made the sorcerers even stronger.... but what after that? Is there a way to replace their losses? Does the geneseed of the sorcerers (since the whole rubricate to stop the destruction of geneseed) get extracted when possible and then implanted into aspiring sorcerers of prestige whom either get destroyed by it or become mighty sorcerers themself? Do they have no way to refill their lost ranks? Do the suits have to be resealed or are they revived back at the planet of the sorcerers? I've always been perplexed with how they deal with their losses (if they can deal with them at all).

 StarTrotter wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
I've read both, and pointed out their flaws in the past, I want to know why he thinks they are entirely bad.

My apologies, t'was just guessing. On another note, I have one thing that I've never been able to grasp and pretty what the feth. Simply put. How do the Thousand Sons work? Yeah the rubricate made most of them walking suits of undead armor and then made the sorcerers even stronger.... but what after that? Is there a way to replace their losses? Does the geneseed of the sorcerers (since the whole rubricate to stop the destruction of geneseed) get extracted when possible and then implanted into aspiring sorcerers of prestige whom either get destroyed by it or become mighty sorcerers themself? Do they have no way to refill their lost ranks? Do the suits have to be resealed or are they revived back at the planet of the sorcerers? I've always been perplexed with how they deal with their losses (if they can deal with them at all).

 Bronzefists42 wrote:

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Also this.




Because new Ultramarines recruits are always first assigned to Tactical Squads, and Power Armour is completely unable of stopping any form of incoming attack. >_<

This movie surpasses all Ward fantasies in sheer ULTRASMURFS RULE!-ness.

 raiden wrote:

 Bronzefists42 wrote:

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Also this.




Because new Ultramarines recruits are always first assigned to Tactical Squads, and Power Armour is completely unable of stopping any form of incoming attack. >_<

This movie surpasses all Ward fantasies in sheer ULTRASMURFS RULE!-ness.

since when do the ultramarines get the banner of devastation!!

 StarTrotter wrote:

 raiden wrote:

 Bronzefists42 wrote:

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Also this.




Because new Ultramarines recruits are always first assigned to Tactical Squads, and Power Armour is completely unable of stopping any form of incoming attack. >_<

This movie surpasses all Ward fantasies in sheer ULTRASMURFS RULE!-ness.

since when do the ultramarines get the banner of devastation!!

Careful guys I think they might actually be Blood Angels right there. Imperial Fist armor..... ultramarine armour, a priest that (is a psyker) has a staff that fires some repulsor thing that slows foes down, has the banner of devestation... Oh and it seems they have reclaimed from their not-heritage several Thousand Son bolter guns. It all makes sense now!

squidhills wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:

 raiden wrote:

 Bronzefists42 wrote:

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Also this.




Because new Ultramarines recruits are always first assigned to Tactical Squads, and Power Armour is completely unable of stopping any form of incoming attack. >_<

This movie surpasses all Ward fantasies in sheer ULTRASMURFS RULE!-ness.

since when do the ultramarines get the banner of devastation!!

Careful guys I think they might actually be Blood Angels right there. Imperial Fist armor..... ultramarine armour, a priest that (is a psyker) has a staff that fires some repulsor thing that slows foes down, has the banner of devestation... Oh and it seems they have reclaimed from their not-heritage several Thousand Son bolter guns. It all makes sense now!

Wait... you're saying the guys in that movie were really Blood Ravens?

That would explain how adept they were at getting killed.

 Omegus wrote:

I'm of the opinion that Thousand Sons, much like Grey Knights, shouldn't be a playable faction beyond a single unit composed of a ridiculous badass sorcerer and his immediate coterie/bodyguard. The bulk of the surviving Legion spent itself against the walls of the Fang destroying the Space Wolves' future. The Legion has long been broken (and there were only 1000 that survived Tisca in the first place). That said, replacing sorcerers on a one for one basis shouldn't be a problem due to geneseed, but unless there is a miniRubric spell and it doesn't matter whose soul animates the armor, the rubricae should be irreplaceable.

 Psienesis wrote:
IRT the tunnel o' quotes regarding the Ultramarines movie...

One, the Chapter was already involved in a war against the Tyranids on another planet when they got the distress call. They could not spare more than a handful of Scouts and two veterans (one being the First Company Captain) to respond to the distress call.

Two, the guy with the skull-face there is an Imperial Fist Chaplain who is carrying a crosius with a built-in digi-melta. It's not a psychic attack. That's why he remarks "it needs time to recharge". Also, "BURN HERETICS!" because it's a melta. That "slow down" was Zack Snyder slo-mo dramatic camera effect.

Three, it's a fething movie. Would you have wanted to sit there for forty-five minutes while these guys shot at one another and failed to kill anyone because their PA was working? Give me a break.

 Psienesis wrote:
Three, it's a fething movie. Would you have wanted to sit there for forty-five minutes while these guys shot at one another and failed to kill anyone because their PA was working? Give me a break.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
The most WTF moment in the movie is when the Daemon Prince is KO'd by the Marine smashing a helmet in its face.

 Silverthorne wrote:
Emperor, seeing the body of Sanguinus, his most beloved son, ripped and torn by Horus

"we can still talk it out'

Emperor, seeing some no-name guardsman get vaporized

"NOW YOU DIE"

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:

 Silverthorne wrote:
Emperor, seeing the body of Sanguinus, his most beloved son, ripped and torn by Horus

"we can still talk it out'

Emperor, seeing some no-name guardsman get vaporized

"NOW YOU DIE"

I always figured with the Emperor's somewhat precognitive abilities he had forseen the death of Sanguinus to be near...so was somewhat prepared.

Also, the nature of the combats were different. The battle between Sanguinus and Horus was, mostly, a battle among equals. The revelation upon the death of the 'Guardsman', if you believe that side of the story, is that there will be no remorse or care given to those the Marines were meant to serve.

Of course, I don't believe it was a Guardsman, I am sticking to the Imperial Fist Terminator story. It makes the most sense.

 Truth118 wrote:
Throughout Gaunt's Ghosts I was constantly flabbergasted by how OP the Tanith were, the more primary characters on par with Space Marines in combat prowess.

DarkSoldier wrote:
Clan Raukaan: Deliberately ignoring the Raven Guard's assistance and letting them die; becoming the AdMech's attack dogs; abandoning Imperial allies to plunder Necron relics; the entire Sapphire King concept.

Sentinels of Terra: The Iron Cage 2: Electric Boogaloo; the Phalanx being a decrepit hulk; the Imperial Fists taking the Black Templars' gimmick of eternal crusading; only a token mention of siegecraft and focusing on the shiny new Centurions (do you know what do buy yet?).

Daemonhammer wrote:
5th edition SM codex and what it implies: "[The orks] have weapons capable of penetrating a Leman Russ Battle Tank or even Space Marine power armour.''.

Poly Ranger wrote:
The ages between space marines is also really inconsistant. For example, the old veteran sargent Telion has seen service for 300 years and even mentored Calgar (thus suggesting Calgar is less than 300yo). Yet Dante has been in charge of the BA for over 1000 years (alive for far longer than this one would assume). If in all the illustrations of telion he looks old and wrinkled... what the hell does dante look like under his death mask? I suppose the mask is appropriately named.