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Let's face it, every army, every scenerio, every corner of the vast galaxy has its share of WTF moments. The fluff isn't flawless, of course, and sometimes the multiple writings contradicting one another make for some head-scratching moments, some rage fits, and even some unexpected lolz.

My WTF moment was when I first read through the Blood Angels codex. This was my first army, but I went in knowing plenty of background on SM doctrine and some BA knowledge along with plenty of 40k lore. But when I read that part about the Necron brofist moment, it caught me unprepared. I had to read that a few times over to make sure I didn't misread it (seriously!).

Have you had any WTF moments? What had you doing the fore-mentioned actions above? Can you still get over it? Lol I sometimes don't!

EDIT: Oh, btw, remember to explain WHY you feel it was a WTF moment. It would avoid a lot of unnecessary arguments from people who might find that piece of information or fluff justifiable. For discussion on what you feel should be left out or changed on the 40k universe, see my previous forum here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/565362.page

For suggestions on what my next topic should be, PM me your ideas ASAP!

I am going to go on a limb here but, if this is true, the time when a Helbrute rampaged through all those SoB. If that really happened then my Leman Russ Exterminator is better than an entire order of the Sisters. Including a living saint.

When the Grey Knights ran a bunch of Sisters through a blender just to give their armor a new coat of paint. It would have been fine (it's a brutal setting, after all) but for the continued claim, exterior to the fluff, that the GK are "untainted by Chaos."

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I am going to go on a limb here but, if this is true, the time when a Helbrute rampaged through all those SoB. If that really happened then my Leman Russ Exterminator is better than an entire order of the Sisters. Including a living saint.

1d4chan is not to be trusted as a completely accurate source of information.

The section I think you read that from is very inaccurate, anyway.

Mine is Nykona Sharrowkin, I mean, i'll admit, I'm an Emperor's Children fanboy.

But, to completely retcon fluff the way they did is a bit much.

Lucius was killed by Lord Commander Cyrius originally.

But, they for some reason brought in this Sharrowkin scrub

to pwn him and make it look easy. Kind of weak sauce imo,

considering Lucius is widely known as one of the best

duelists in all the legions, and they retcon it to have him be

Sharrowkin's b***.

The Horus Heresy series.

bobamus87 wrote:
Mine is Nykona Sharrowkin, I mean, i'll admit, I'm an Emperor's Children fanboy.

But, to completely retcon fluff the way they did is a bit much.

Lucius was killed by Lord Commander Cyrius originally.

But, they for some reason brought in this Sharrowkin scrub

to pwn him and make it look easy. Kind of weak sauce imo,

considering Lucius is widely known as one of the best

duelists in all the legions, and they retcon it to have him be

Sharrowkin's b***.

And they didn't even have Lucius come back in his patented way.

Animus wrote:
The Horus Heresy series.

bobamus87 wrote:
Mine is Nykona Sharrowkin, I mean, i'll admit, I'm an Emperor's Children fanboy.

But, to completely retcon fluff the way they did is a bit much.

Lucius was killed by Lord Commander Cyrius originally.

But, they for some reason brought in this Sharrowkin scrub

to pwn him and make it look easy. Kind of weak sauce imo,

considering Lucius is widely known as one of the best

duelists in all the legions, and they retcon it to have him be

Sharrowkin's b***.

And they didn't even have Lucius come back in his patented way.

I'm guessing because Sparrowkyn took no pleasure in Lucius' demise.

First WTF moment.

Marines are crusading space KNIGHTS.


Not brainwashed ex-criminals and the scum of the universe. Somehow, having the scum of the universe forced to play "the good guys" is actually MORE grimdark than them BEING the good guys naturally.

Every single piece of fluff Matt Ward has written

 Troike wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I am going to go on a limb here but, if this is true, the time when a Helbrute rampaged through all those SoB. If that really happened then my Leman Russ Exterminator is better than an entire order of the Sisters. Including a living saint.

1d4chan is not to be trusted as a completely accurate source of information.

The section I think you read that from is very inaccurate, anyway.

Thats from a salamaders audio book - it wasn't a helbrute, it was something else demony and covered in armour that sounded like a helbrute but was vastly more powerful. It was shrugging off heavy weapons fire and when was the last time a helbrute lived past about turn 2 in an actual game? And the living saint rendered it powerless while T'sugan smashed it with a hammer IIRC


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I'm still waiting for my WTF moment. That will be whan an Eldar Avatar wins a fight.

I wont be original, but...

Kaldor Draigo making writings on primarch's hearth. But no, in fact, its whole Draigo fluff. Come on...I cant take it seriously, this isnt grimdark, this is "DnD fans wet dreams became so cheesy you cant even say its propaganda".

and again Grey Knights and famous slaughter of Sororitas. Again, its not grimdark, its just idiotic. You cant create strong dark events by making absurd, illogical moments.

Grey Knights have huge potential to be grimdark as hell, antiheroic, worse than whole commisariat. Now, they are just superman paladins with idiotic behaviour. Pity :(

Most Space Wolf stuff from the books. Seriously.

Rick Priestly's Terrible Grasp Of Numbers.

Seriously. Original Confrontation fluff had hives, with populations of billions, in clusters which were just visible from each other. This gave a planetary population of a good few trillion, which I estimated would allow them to BREATHE ALL THE OXYGEN OUT OF THE AIR within a couple of thousand years.

Mother Gullet

Mother Gullet is reputed to have been a Callidus Assassin who was dispatched to a world where the Planetary Governor was defying Imperial rule. The legend says that she discovered the Governor's weakness in his love for his infant son. Disguising herself as the child's nanny, the assassin used the shape-changing properties of polymorphine to swallow the child whole so that she could safely walk out of the Governor's residence with it in her stomach.

WTF?

Graphite wrote:
Rick Priestly's Terrible Grasp Of Numbers.

+1
The IG codex is full of stuff like this that turns grimdark into a farce. An instance of DKoK bombarding a rebellious hive 3 years after all signs of life ceased. The Valhallan guy that sacrifices millions of guardsmen to save ammunition...

So moving stuff across the warp is difficult and all that stuff but here we have examples of people wasting stuff like water. If ammunition is expensive to bring to a world, how the hell they get IG regiments from the other side of the Imperium on planet?

M.

Pretty much everything to do with Space Wolves.

 Miguelsan wrote:

So moving stuff across the warp is difficult and all that stuff but here we have examples of people wasting stuff like water. If ammunition is expensive to bring to a world, how the hell they get IG regiments from the other side of the Imperium on planet?

M.

(sorry, couldnt resist...but the response itself is honest)

 PredaKhaine wrote:

I'm still waiting for my WTF moment. That will be whan an Eldar Avatar wins a fight.

Then read the black library novel "shadow point". You have to wait till near the end, but you'll have your moment.

My WTF moments have to do with backflipping terminators, or terminators surfing the tops of land raiders. Those kinds of things really test my suspension of disbelief, which is saying something since we're talking about 40k.

 Cruentus wrote:

 PredaKhaine wrote:

I'm still waiting for my WTF moment. That will be whan an Eldar Avatar wins a fight.

Then read the black library novel "shadow point". You have to wait till near the end, but you'll have your moment.

My WTF moments have to do with backflipping terminators, or terminators surfing the tops of land raiders. Those kinds of things really test my suspension of disbelief, which is saying something since we're talking about 40k.

Ok, a new WTF moment. Shadow point is £19 on amazon...

The newest Horus Heresy fluff is confusing regarding Sanguinius and the Blood Angels going back to Terra. Originally they went from Signus Prime to Terra to fight Horus..

Now, they go from Signus Prime to meet up with Gulliman and THEN go to Terra. However, the original fluff says that the Ultramarines couldn't get to Terra because they were too far away which is weird if now the Blood Angels went to see them first..

 Troike wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I am going to go on a limb here but, if this is true, the time when a Helbrute rampaged through all those SoB. If that really happened then my Leman Russ Exterminator is better than an entire order of the Sisters. Including a living saint.

1d4chan is not to be trusted as a completely accurate source of information.

The section I think you read that from is very inaccurate, anyway.

Oh, good! I mean the actual fluff piece is still kinda dumb but hey, at least it's not that dumb.

My new choice then is just Kubrik Chenkov. Specifically how, because he was impatient, he marched his men across a minefield to clear it for Leman Russ tanks. Where do I begin... Firstly, I would believe Mr. Chenkov would like to know that AT mines typically don't go off when a human steps over it since they are calibrated for specific weights. Secondly, why would you send trained and armed soldiers across a minefield just to clear it? It would be difficult as all get out to get them to do it first of all, you'd end up with a field full of dead bodies and that'll be bad for the Russes, you run into the risks of a mutiny and, most importantly, why not just give them a crash course on mine defusal? Surely it would be easier to teach a hundred men how to do it then getting thousands and thousands of men to run across the field.

As much as I love the works of Mr. Poe, I was stunned when Corvus Corax said, "Nevermore." So. Dumb. Someone really wanted to shoehorn in that obvious The Raven reference but did it so horridly.

 Miguelsan wrote:
An instance of DKoK bombarding a rebellious hive 3 years after all signs of life ceased.

I was going to point at that very moment myself, not only for the gratuitous OTT cruelty but also for what may be a veiled reference to the Holocaust. The name Hive Derondii sounds strikingly similar to Daniel Deronda, the titular jewish character from a proto-zionist novel written in Britain in the 1800s.

As if the "88th Siege Regiment" wasn't enough...

C.S. Goto.

 Lucarikx wrote:
C.S. Goto.

Yes....absolutely this.

Also some of the terrible Space Marine fluff armor moments like 'The Battle of Orar' from the Space Marine Codexes. Though I've complained about this one enough in detail to go into it again in depth...things like Space Marine Scouts ambushing Warp Spiders and two Craftworlds worth of Eldar not able to penetrate a line of 1,000 Space Marines hiding in rubble at a fixed location....not even Fortifications.

How the Dark angels are a marine chapter with mountains of battles and wars they won, but you only seem to hear about them running from fights to chase after the Fallen.

Yea, it's important, but can we get some stories about the Unforgiven that isn't about the fallen?

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 Miguelsan wrote:
An instance of DKoK bombarding a rebellious hive 3 years after all signs of life ceased.

I was going to point at that very moment myself, not only for the gratuitous OTT cruelty but also for what may be a veiled reference to the Holocaust. The name Hive Derondii sounds strikingly similar to Daniel Deronda, the titular jewish character from a proto-zionist novel written in Britain in the 1800s.

As if the "88th Siege Regiment" wasn't enough...

Anytime my Cultists kill a Space Marine with an Autopistol. There is just no good way I can rationalize that in my head.

Power Armor can survive orbital bombardment....but crack when pelted with .22 caliber rounds. ;>> The only way this works for me is if the bullet went through the eye piece and even that is pushing it.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:
An instance of DKoK bombarding a rebellious hive 3 years after all signs of life ceased.

I was going to point at that very moment myself, not only for the gratuitous OTT cruelty but also for what may be a veiled reference to the Holocaust. The name Hive Derondii sounds strikingly similar to Daniel Deronda, the titular jewish character from a proto-zionist novel written in Britain in the 1800s.

As if the "88th Siege Regiment" wasn't enough...

The Death Korps is a mix of most armies from WW ONE not two, so that's stretching it stupidly far.

 TheRedWingArmada wrote:
Anytime my Cultists kill a Space Marine with an Autopistol. There is just no good way I can rationalize that in my head.

Power Armor can survive orbital bombardment....but crack when pelted with .22 caliber rounds. ;>> The only way this works for me is if the bullet went through the eye piece and even that is pushing it.

Obviously the space marine had taken his helmet off in all seriousness, marines aren't entirely secure. Much of the fluff calls them tanks but then you read books where marines are slaughtered in the dozens whilst some fluff says the armour protects from standard arms about 80% of the time. There's many weak joints. Where the armour permits for limbs to bend are bital weaknesses not to mention the eye ports.

For me.... it still has to be when the GK blow up a retreating vessel that was holding refugees to kill the Fateweaver. Congrats guys.... you just put the seed of the first fall of GK, killed many innocent civilians, and destroyed another space craft.... to destroy a ship for a daemon that was known to be capable of teleportation, was likely going to fade out in only a bit, and simply would return to the warp upon his destruction in the material realm, reform, and return whenever the feth he pleases?