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				<description><![CDATA[ Context: So having set up for a nice argument free game - My <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> librarian on bike rolled and passed to cast perfect timing on a nearby Plasma Cannon in a tactical squad.   And my friend rolled a 4 up for Night fighting.  I had turn one so was all preparing to shoot and he was suddenly  like blah blah blah - night fighting gives me a 5+ cover save and I would get 4++ for being behind a hill (25% facing obscured) but we ignore that part so 5+ it is.  I'm like NO.<br /> <br /> His Problem: Perfect timing gives one model the Ignores cover special rule.  Night fighting grants Stealth and Shrouded at the range my intended Damocles Rhino target was in.  Night fighting is not a type of cover so why should I get it.<br /> <br /> My problem:  Stealth and Shrouded from Night-fighting are COVER saves whether its call night-fighting or monkey rustling.  I agreed the 36" limitation still applies as that's not a cover stipulation (maybe even that's too generous), but a range stipulated exclusion from night fighting, but the cover ordinarily given from night-fighting at differing ranges is negated.<br /> <br /> It stressed me out and well play again - can anyone clarify?<br /> <br /> Thanks]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ He would get Stealth OR shrouded based on range, not both. <br /> So he would gain Shrouded, which modifies his cover save. <br /> Which "Ignore Cover" then ignores. <br /> <br /> But the big question is:<br /> How did you roll on the Divination tree with a Librarian on a bike?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 8 Jan 2014 13:34:52]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ grendel083]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572186/6413159.page"><b>ellis_esquire wrote:</b></a><br/> My <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> librarian on bike rolled and passed to cast perfect timing on a nearby Plasma Cannon in a tactical squad.   <br /> Thanks</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> On a different note. You cant cast perfect timing on a nearby plasma cannon. Perfect timing targets the psyker and his squad. So the caster has to be part of the squad when the blessing is cast to let the plasma cannon benefit. You cant cast it on units that the psyker isnt joined to.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 8 Jan 2014 13:43:22]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Mywik]]></author>
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				<title>Perrfect Timing vs Night Fighting - Jeeez</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/1069e9b3668aa30b3c1ce33b23c37165.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/572186/6413191.page"><b>grendel083 wrote:</b></a><br/>He would get Stealth OR shrouded based on range, not both. <br /> So he would gain Shrouded, which modifies his cover save. <br /> Which "Ignore Cover" then ignores. <br /> <br /> But the big question is:<br /> How did you roll on the Divination tree with a Librarian on a bike?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Dark Angel Librarian?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 8 Jan 2014 13:44:21]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Voodoo_Chile]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Sorry - I thought <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(269);'>id</span> covered everything - Yes of course Dark Angels all the way.  Starting in that tactical squad.  So casting it on all the squad.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 8 Jan 2014 13:51:07]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ ellis_esquire]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ simple soloution, ask him what the stealth/shrouded provide.<br /> <br /> then ask him to look up the term 'ignores cover'.<br /> <br /> then ask him to show you where it says that the cover save stealth/shrouded provides is exempt from the ignores cover rule.<br /> <br /> simples]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 8 Jan 2014 14:32:18]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:Perrfect Timing vs Night Fighting - Jeeez</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Yep, you got hosed.  ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 8 Jan 2014 15:49:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Jimsolo]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thats a not so fun but effective way to have a rule stick in your head. That "story" that you will likely tell future opponents will cause you to not forget it so soon.<br /> I've accumulated a fair few of those over the last 20years or so. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 8 Jan 2014 16:02:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ EVIL INC]]></author>
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