changerofways wrote:
I've never liked the LoC because hes basically a herald of tzeentch that can stand on his own. Hes a divination psyker that doesnt need a screamer star or pink horrors to protect him. Divination pyskers need synergy with a unit, they're supportive in nature, not something that flies around. If you want a bird, i'd take fateweaver.

I've seen mixed results with soul grinders

RageAgainstReality wrote:

 changerofways wrote:
I've never liked the LoC because hes basically a herald of tzeentch that can stand on his own. Hes a divination psyker that doesnt need a screamer star or pink horrors to protect him. Divination pyskers need synergy with a unit, they're supportive in nature, not something that flies around. If you want a bird, i'd take fateweaver.

I've seen mixed results with soul grinders

An FMC force multiplayer that can wreck most units reliably in combat and can always be where you most need him (plus can carry that grimoire around if you're stupid enough not to put it on a herald). Sign me up! Soulgrinders are great. Decent AA and Nurgle grinders can typically sit backfield guarding objectives/troops while hurling phlegm. They are also pretty damn hard to kill. A near auto include.

As for the list itself, it's had very little synergy, what are your tactics? Let me just tell you Horrors and plaguebearers aren't going to be venturing into enemy deployment to grab objectives or linebreaker. The forces slow moving nature and lack of firepower will force you to play your LoC conservatively. I would recommend some flesh hounds/seekers/daemonettes to reliably gab objectives late game.

Django_Unchained wrote:

RageAgainstReality wrote:

 changerofways wrote:
I've never liked the LoC because hes basically a herald of tzeentch that can stand on his own. Hes a divination psyker that doesnt need a screamer star or pink horrors to protect him. Divination pyskers need synergy with a unit, they're supportive in nature, not something that flies around. If you want a bird, i'd take fateweaver.

I've seen mixed results with soul grinders

An FMC force multiplayer that can wreck most units reliably in combat and can always be where you most need him (plus can carry that grimoire around if you're stupid enough not to put it on a herald). Sign me up! Soulgrinders are great. Decent AA and Nurgle grinders can typically sit backfield guarding objectives/troops while hurling phlegm. They are also pretty damn hard to kill. A near auto include.

As for the list itself, it's had very little synergy, what are your tactics? Let me just tell you Horrors and plaguebearers aren't going to be venturing into enemy deployment to grab objectives or linebreaker. The forces slow moving nature and lack of firepower will force you to play your LoC conservatively. I would recommend some flesh hounds/seekers/daemonettes to reliably gab objectives late game.

Soulgrinders are actually subpar AA, with only Str7 and a bad BS... If you need decent anti air your can't go wrong with a slaanesh daemon prince with biomancy

 Brother Payne wrote:

2. Where's the Burning Chariot?!

RageAgainstReality wrote:

 Brother Payne wrote:

2. Where's the Burning Chariot?!

Asking Tzeentch why it can't shoot...

 Brother Payne wrote:
But, but, 100pts for the choice of S5 AP3 torrent and S9 AP2 at BS4 both w warpflame. If people are playing infantry hordes those T tests aren't going to be any fun! Plus if you go for Blue Horror crew, enemies get -1Ld within 6" - have fun w that one tau (worth 10pts I'd say). Plus it's a chariot so it can keep up/stay out of harms way.

It's one massive win unit! I never leave home without it
Unless I'm not playing Daemons of course...

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

 Brother Payne wrote:
But, but, 100pts for the choice of S5 AP3 torrent and S9 AP2 at BS4 both w warpflame. If people are playing infantry hordes those T tests aren't going to be any fun! Plus if you go for Blue Horror crew, enemies get -1Ld within 6" - have fun w that one tau (worth 10pts I'd say). Plus it's a chariot so it can keep up/stay out of harms way.

It's one massive win unit! I never leave home without it
Unless I'm not playing Daemons of course...

The issue with the Chariot is that it can never move and fire due to the rules concerning models within a transport. As it is the Exalted Flamer who has the two weapons it is he who is firing. A model within a transport that moves counts as having moved itself and as the weapons are both Heavy 1 and the model does not have relentless or Slow and Purposeful or similar, if the vehicle moves the weapons cannot be fired at all.
Even if we somehow give the model Relentless, if the vehicle moves at Cruising Speed a transported model may only fire snapshots so if through some sort of shenanigans you give the model Relentless the vehicle can only move 6" and still fire at full BS or just snapshot the S9 AP2 weapon.

Given that the vehicle itself is a Fast Skimmer you'd expect it to have some sort of rule that allows the firing of all the weapons(Just my opinion, RAI is very subjective) but we've been waiting for a proper FAQ for Daemons since the release of the codex and so far no luck.

 Brother Payne wrote:

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

 Brother Payne wrote:
But, but, 100pts for the choice of S5 AP3 torrent and S9 AP2 at BS4 both w warpflame. If people are playing infantry hordes those T tests aren't going to be any fun! Plus if you go for Blue Horror crew, enemies get -1Ld within 6" - have fun w that one tau (worth 10pts I'd say). Plus it's a chariot so it can keep up/stay out of harms way.

It's one massive win unit! I never leave home without it
Unless I'm not playing Daemons of course...

The issue with the Chariot is that it can never move and fire due to the rules concerning models within a transport. As it is the Exalted Flamer who has the two weapons it is he who is firing. A model within a transport that moves counts as having moved itself and as the weapons are both Heavy 1 and the model does not have relentless or Slow and Purposeful or similar, if the vehicle moves the weapons cannot be fired at all.
Even if we somehow give the model Relentless, if the vehicle moves at Cruising Speed a transported model may only fire snapshots so if through some sort of shenanigans you give the model Relentless the vehicle can only move 6" and still fire at full BS or just snapshot the S9 AP2 weapon.

Given that the vehicle itself is a Fast Skimmer you'd expect it to have some sort of rule that allows the firing of all the weapons(Just my opinion, RAI is very subjective) but we've been waiting for a proper FAQ for Daemons since the release of the codex and so far no luck.

This is true but you can get away with only moving it a couple a times per game if you play the cover and placement game well. Torrent helps w this too giving you that little bit of extra range