WrentheFaceless wrote:
As someone mentioned earlier, merge your two 5 man terminator squads into one 10 man squad to save points, then combat squad them, save you 20 points on psybolt ammo

I ran razors back when I first started and found they were just easy first blood targets

Considered a stormraven yet?

And for your inquisitor, psybolt ammo is usually a waste of points on a single model, unless its a vehicle

The 25 points you save from the psybolt ammo could get you 3 more acolytes to fill your last razor, or 2 acolytes and one more arco.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Yea that looks good, you got some more models for the saved points, and more models always help.

Also per the most recent FAQ, you dont have to take GK codex powers on your inquisitor, you can roll on the Divination/Pyromancy/Telekinesis table in the BRB if you want

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

Considered a stormraven yet?

 Mythra wrote:
It gives the list of weapons and auto cannon is in the list.

 Mythra wrote:
Also why Hammer hand on the Inq when you could get ignores cover, Rerolling all misses for a target unit, or his own unit? Whatever squad he is with can cast hammer hand.

He prob has the psybolt on the Inq to man the quad gun so it is +1 str shooting.

 Rupertrampton wrote:
I don't know why people like razorbacks, swap the storm raven to a land raider cruesader with psi bolts, and pack that with some close combat guys or terminators etc...

 bocatt wrote:
Don't stick a melee oriented unit in a storm raven. Lets look at what's going on here.

You're paying 255 for an AV12 all around vehicle, normally very fragile but it follows the flyer rules making it incredibly hard to hit. It can choose to become a fast skimmer that is easier to destroy than a predator, that you've equipped with 4 TLd str 7 shots, 3 TLd str 6 shots (or one TLd melta shot) and 6 TLd Str 5 boltguns and four one use missiles. So you hover it, to deliver a unit that puts out 20 str 4 ap 2 attacks. 28 on the charge. It's better with the OXI but still, losing your 255 pt gunship that can continue to pump out all that firepower just to deliver that unit that could be wiped out before it strikes with a strong enough counter attack (can anyone say grey hunters?). Even if you strike with the assassin's power swords or mails, you're still not guaranteed you won't lose them all as they're all still striking at the same initiative. You are spending the points cost of a land raider on something that will die like a chimera. Just because it has an assault ramp does not make it good for delivering an assault unit. If you want to push some power armored acolytes out the back to cap an open objective it flies over, feel free. Just don't risk such a huge investment for one turn of close combat glory.

 w0lfgang7 wrote:

 bocatt wrote:
Don't stick a melee oriented unit in a storm raven. Lets look at what's going on here.

You're paying 255 for an AV12 all around vehicle, normally very fragile but it follows the flyer rules making it incredibly hard to hit. It can choose to become a fast skimmer that is easier to destroy than a predator, that you've equipped with 4 TLd str 7 shots, 3 TLd str 6 shots (or one TLd melta shot) and 6 TLd Str 5 boltguns and four one use missiles. So you hover it, to deliver a unit that puts out 20 str 4 ap 2 attacks. 28 on the charge. It's better with the OXI but still, losing your 255 pt gunship that can continue to pump out all that firepower just to deliver that unit that could be wiped out before it strikes with a strong enough counter attack (can anyone say grey hunters?). Even if you strike with the assassin's power swords or mails, you're still not guaranteed you won't lose them all as they're all still striking at the same initiative. You are spending the points cost of a land raider on something that will die like a chimera. Just because it has an assault ramp does not make it good for delivering an assault unit. If you want to push some power armored acolytes out the back to cap an open objective it flies over, feel free. Just don't risk such a huge investment for one turn of close combat glory.

You don't understand thus unit.

If you have a Storm Raven in your list, I'd alstill recommend adding some DCAs and Crusaders to it. The SR being an Assault Vehicle opens up some unexpected henchmen fun.

6 DCA and 2 Crusaders clock in at 120 points. This little 8 man unit on the charge out of the Storm Raven can be scary!

(for simplicity sake, no cover, special characters giving extra abilities, etc on either side)

Let's say that there's a group of 10 MEQ on an objective in the open (because you wisely put it there). I'll use Grey Hunters since you mentioned them and SW is the Codex that I have on me at the moment, that and they have counterattack, so adds some danger in assaulting them. The GH have 2 plasma guns, a mark of the wulfen, and a power fist. All for 200 points.

The 2 Crusaders are there to eat overwatch with their 3++. In this example, you're probably loosing just 1 Crusader to overwatch (.63 on average). Put axes on the Crusaders since they're likely going last anyways with I3, and pick up some AP2 in case they're still around.

The DCA go at I6 and will kill 8 MEQ/Grey Hunters on average.

Let's say that the Grey Hunter with the mark of the wulfen is still around and rolled a 4. This gives him 5 attacks while his buddy has 2. The Hunter with the wulfen may have just enough to take down the second crusader. Then, the power fist Hunter will take out 1 DCA.

(if the Hunter with the MoW rolled a 3 or less, then the crusader probably lives and kills the MoW model only to be taken out by the power fist).

Either way, you win combat. On average, the results from this scenario will be 2 dead Crusaders and 1 DCA sliced in half compared to 8 dead Grey Hunters. Granted, they're in a bit of trouble if they get shot at, so this is definitely an end-game maneuver. Still, not too shabby for a small group of henchmen! (and one that cost you 67.5% of the cost for the Grey Hunters).

Do all of this on turn five on an objective in your opponents backfield and not only do you swap control of an objective, but you pick up linebreaker as well =-)


The storm raven loadout that I listed is standard. Play the raven smart, not stupid and put it in position to die needlessly. The real investment here is not the SR but the henchmen inside (120 isn't too much for what can be a game changing unit. Seen it happen enough to be a standard henchmen unit).




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Don't let DCA fool you. With 2 Crusaders up front to eat overwatch the DCA are very deadly.

Here's what an OXI can do. Take 5DCA, 2Crusaders, and an OXI with rad grenades and hammer hand for 175 points. Now, on the charge out of the SR, the 5 DCA will kill all 10 MEQ (average 11 dead MEQ, so overkill by 1), all at I6.

 w0lfgang7 wrote:
Arco-Flagellants

These are actually OK, but their primary issue is that they’re pretty much outshone in every way imaginable by Death Cult Assassins- you’re much better off with the assassins, so you might as well leave them at home.

Crusader

These guys are great- they carry a Storm Shield, and so are fantastic for tanking Overwatch hits on Death Cult Assassin units you may be bringing. Since they’re I3, they should always have an axe, since they strike last against everything that matters anyways. You should have two of these in every combat-oriented Henchman unit you take.

Death Cult Assassins

These are amazing- criminally undercosted with WS5, S4 and A2 base and not one, but TWO power weapons, and a 5++? Heck yeah! Take one sword and one axe. They might be the epitome of glass cannon, but for what they cost you, they’ll easily obliterate something before they die. A very cheap and effective threat to put into that Stormraven which you were going to bring for anti-air, etc anyways.

sleekid wrote:
Why do you want to keep an arco in the squad instead of another DCA?
Other than that maybe divination and prescience would be better on the inquisitor, i would have to run the maths but reroll hits seems better then just 1+Str