<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Non-Imperium humans?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Non-Imperium humans? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574053.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574053.page GMT Non-Imperium humans? http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Gue%27vesa]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574075.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574075.page GMT Non-Imperium humans? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574086.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574086.page GMT Non-Imperium humans?
 curran12 wrote:
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Gue%27vesa

This is... surprising. Something actually wholly GOOD in the 40k universe? A socioty that isn't either an oppressive donkey-cave or a mindless beast? Tau are my new favorite race by far.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574105.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574105.page GMT Non-Imperium humans?
 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:
 curran12 wrote:
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Gue%27vesa

This is... surprising. Something actually wholly GOOD in the 40k universe? A socioty that isn't either an oppressive donkey-cave or a mindless beast? Tau are my new favorite race by far.


Of course you don't see the part about the Tau obliterating anyone who isn't on board with their whole "Greater Good" thing.

Nor do you see the implied mind control used on those who serve them (Vespid).

Nor the rigid leadership who devotes commanders to hunting down another one who deviated from their plans.

Otherwise, they are great, yeah. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574124.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574124.page GMT Non-Imperium humans?
 curran12 wrote:
 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:
 curran12 wrote:
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Gue%27vesa

This is... surprising. Something actually wholly GOOD in the 40k universe? A socioty that isn't either an oppressive donkey-cave or a mindless beast? Tau are my new favorite race by far.


Of course you don't see the part about the Tau obliterating anyone who isn't on board with their whole "Greater Good" thing.

Nor do you see the implied mind control used on those who serve them (Vespid).

Nor the rigid leadership who devotes commanders to hunting down another one who deviated from their plans.

Otherwise, they are great, yeah.

Yeah, did not see those things. Ok, Tau are still donkey-caves. However, still less of donkey-caves than everyone else.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574130.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574130.page GMT Non-Imperium humans?
 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:
 curran12 wrote:
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Gue%27vesa

This is... surprising. Something actually wholly GOOD in the 40k universe? A socioty that isn't either an oppressive donkey-cave or a mindless beast? Tau are my new favorite race by far.


You mean the aggressively expansionist dictatorial utilitarian society who brooks no disagreements with it's strict racial caste structure which is lead by an "elite" racial minority who may or may not be subtly mind controlling the populace? Yeah they're definitely the good guys ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574143.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574143.page GMT Non-Imperium humans? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574251.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574251.page GMT Non-Imperium humans? 40k is about Law vs Chaos rather than Good vs Evil.

It's also about seeing how far you can push the heroes into evil before they stop being heroes.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574345.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574345.page GMT Non-Imperium humans?
 Sparks_Havelock wrote:
in the 41st Millennium there is no good, there is no evil, there are only perspectives. And war.


The Imperium actually though isn't really that bad at all save for bad Hive Worlds. As an organization, it isn't that bad so long as you aren't an underhiver. The IOM just sucks if you happen to be near HERESY or XENOS, or are an abhuman. Sure, you wouldn't choose to live there, but say, it's actually livable in how Soviet Russia was livable.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574423.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574423.page GMT Non-Imperium humans?
SEVERAN DOMINATE?

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Oh wait. They are a separatist group of IG from the Spinward front that they introduced in only war. I quite like them ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574517.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574517.page GMT Non-Imperium humans?
 Wyzilla wrote:
 Sparks_Havelock wrote:
in the 41st Millennium there is no good, there is no evil, there are only perspectives. And war.


The Imperium actually though isn't really that bad at all save for bad Hive Worlds. As an organization, it isn't that bad so long as you aren't an underhiver. The IOM just sucks if you happen to be near HERESY or XENOS, or are an abhuman. Sure, you wouldn't choose to live there, but say, it's actually livable in how Soviet Russia was livable.

Liveable, yeah, but barely so. Miss church one day? Death for being a Heretic. Forget to pray to the Emperor? Life in prison (If those even exist). See a Webway gate? Death.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574520.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574520.page GMT Non-Imperium humans?
 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:
 Wyzilla wrote:
 Sparks_Havelock wrote:
in the 41st Millennium there is no good, there is no evil, there are only perspectives. And war.


The Imperium actually though isn't really that bad at all save for bad Hive Worlds. As an organization, it isn't that bad so long as you aren't an underhiver. The IOM just sucks if you happen to be near HERESY or XENOS, or are an abhuman. Sure, you wouldn't choose to live there, but say, it's actually livable in how Soviet Russia was livable.

Liveable, yeah, but barely so. Miss church one day? Death for being a Heretic. Forget to pray to the Emperor? Life in prison (If those even exist). See a Webway gate? Death.


Prison? That's what the Penal Legions are for!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574587.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574587.page GMT Re:Non-Imperium humans?
  • Fed to the Emperor

  • Sanctioned into Imperial service

  • Executed by the Ecclesiarchy

  • Manipulated by Chaos

  • Possessed by daemons


    • It's very unlikely you're going to live a normal civilian life if you're a psyker in the Imperium.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574673.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574673.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans?
     Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:
     Wyzilla wrote:
     Sparks_Havelock wrote:
    in the 41st Millennium there is no good, there is no evil, there are only perspectives. And war.


    The Imperium actually though isn't really that bad at all save for bad Hive Worlds. As an organization, it isn't that bad so long as you aren't an underhiver. The IOM just sucks if you happen to be near HERESY or XENOS, or are an abhuman. Sure, you wouldn't choose to live there, but say, it's actually livable in how Soviet Russia was livable.

    Liveable, yeah, but barely so. Miss church one day? Death for being a Heretic. Forget to pray to the Emperor? Life in prison (If those even exist). See a Webway gate? Death.


    Give me one example where this actually happens in the BL. Hint, there probably won't be. People tend to really inflate the crapsack nature of the IOM, it's just the problem of people constantly repeating something until it's a meme. 1D4Chan is especially guilty of this.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574690.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574690.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574711.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574711.page GMT Non-Imperium humans?
     Wyzilla wrote:

    Give me one example where this actually happens in the BL. Hint, there probably won't be. People tend to really inflate the crapsack nature of the IOM, it's just the problem of people constantly repeating something until it's a meme. 1D4Chan is especially guilty of this.


    Probably from the Guardsman' Handbook. There are more insane thing like mentioned above in there. Like getting shot for not keeping your gun in check, etc.

    But yeah. There are Traitor Guard, Renegade Guard, Guardsmen alligned to the Greater Good, Cultists, gangs in Hive Cities (They don't care about the Imperium at all.),undiscovered human colonies. there should be even more examples.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574737.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574737.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans?
     Wyzilla wrote:
     Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:
     Wyzilla wrote:
     Sparks_Havelock wrote:
    in the 41st Millennium there is no good, there is no evil, there are only perspectives. And war.


    The Imperium actually though isn't really that bad at all save for bad Hive Worlds. As an organization, it isn't that bad so long as you aren't an underhiver. The IOM just sucks if you happen to be near HERESY or XENOS, or are an abhuman. Sure, you wouldn't choose to live there, but say, it's actually livable in how Soviet Russia was livable.

    Liveable, yeah, but barely so. Miss church one day? Death for being a Heretic. Forget to pray to the Emperor? Life in prison (If those even exist). See a Webway gate? Death.


    Give me one example where this actually happens in the BL. Hint, there probably won't be. People tend to really inflate the crapsack nature of the IOM, it's just the problem of people constantly repeating something until it's a meme. 1D4Chan is especially guilty of this.


    I agree with this. In the Imperium, church-going and prayer aren't law. In fact in terms of religion, it's quite lax in regards to the fact that the Ecclesiarchy isn't a sectarian organisation that stamps out alternative religions and builds its own church on the rubble - it approves of different religions so long as they can be interpreted as being in line with the Imperial Creed.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574741.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574741.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans? OP - Yes there are dozens if not hundreds of none-Imperium worlds/empires. The Imperium spans many sectors but it's not a unified block. Most IoM sectors are found along stable warp routes, and either side of said sectors there could be whole human empires/alien empires laying low so as to not attract the prying eyes of others. (does it not say something along those lines in a dex somewhere?)
    The galaxy is huge, so if you wish to create your own little human culture spanning several star systems then there's no reason why you can't so long as you explain the history and how they came to be there and what they've been up to while the galaxy burns.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574839.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574839.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans?
     The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
     Wyzilla wrote:

    Give me one example where this actually happens in the BL. Hint, there probably won't be. People tend to really inflate the crapsack nature of the IOM, it's just the problem of people constantly repeating something until it's a meme. 1D4Chan is especially guilty of this.


    Probably from the Guardsman' Handbook. There are more insane thing like mentioned above in there. Like getting shot for not keeping your gun in check, etc.

    But yeah. There are Traitor Guard, Renegade Guard, Guardsmen alligned to the Greater Good, Cultists, gangs in Hive Cities (They don't care about the Imperium at all.),undiscovered human colonies. there should be even more examples.

    There is this one group of planets in the DH rulebook, The Cestelle Alliance that accidently got lost by the Administratium and retook themselves. They are even still semi-autonomous as they are more efficient than the Administratium]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574914.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6574914.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans?
     Co'tor Shas wrote:

    There is this one group of planets in the DH rulebook, The Cestelle Alliance that accidently got lost by the Administratium and retook themselves. They are even still semi-autonomous as they are more efficient than the Administratium


    Mostly due to Diseconomies of Scale. :p]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6575767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6575767.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans?
     Wyzilla wrote:
    Give me one example where this actually happens in the BL..


    Not exactly this, but in one of the Shira Calpurnia books because it's a holy day the Sororitas are in the streets looking for anyone not in the temples and killing them - the Arbites need to get a special pass to move around freely. And in 'Flesh and Iron' the Ecclesiarchy has the Imperial Guard execute most of the still loyal indigenous people rather than have them fall to Chaos.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6575810.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6575810.page GMT     Re:Non-Imperium humans? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6576709.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6576709.page GMT Non-Imperium humans?

    I haven't read that Calpurnica book, but it does seem a little extreme. Sororitas truancy officers I can understand, but they should be checking paperwork first.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6576948.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6576948.page GMT     Re:Non-Imperium humans?
    I once toyed with making a *Lizardmen army for 40k, basically a John Carter of Mars style minor race launching a jihad against humanity for all its terrible crimes but naturally Terra hardly bats an eyelid.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6578501.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6578501.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans?
     Wyzilla wrote:
     Sparks_Havelock wrote:
    in the 41st Millennium there is no good, there is no evil, there are only perspectives. And war.


    The Imperium actually though isn't really that bad at all save for bad Hive Worlds. As an organization, it isn't that bad so long as you aren't an underhiver. The IOM just sucks if you happen to be near HERESY or XENOS, or are an abhuman. Sure, you wouldn't choose to live there, but say, it's actually livable in how Soviet Russia was livable.

    Really, compared to the IoM, Soviet Russia was an absolute paradise.

    But there are indeed non-Imperial humans. Traitors who defected to Chaos and the Tau, as well as worlds lost during the Age of Strife that haven't been rediscovered by the IoM.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6578629.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6578629.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6578848.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6578848.page GMT Re:Non-Imperium humans?
    The Imperium only encompasses a fraction of what mankind settled when we left Earth.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6579069.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6579069.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans?
    Give it a few millennia and the Tau will be as grimdark at the IoM]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6579226.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6579226.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans? IoM humans. Maybe a cluster of planets that have been able to hold off smaller crusades. Perhaps they ally with xenos. Not so farfetched.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6585705.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6585705.page GMT Non-Imperium humans? Automatically Appended Next Post:
     Wyzilla wrote:
     Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:
     Wyzilla wrote:
     Sparks_Havelock wrote:
    in the 41st Millennium there is no good, there is no evil, there are only perspectives. And war.


    The Imperium actually though isn't really that bad at all save for bad Hive Worlds. As an organization, it isn't that bad so long as you aren't an underhiver. The IOM just sucks if you happen to be near HERESY or XENOS, or are an abhuman. Sure, you wouldn't choose to live there, but say, it's actually livable in how Soviet Russia was livable.

    Liveable, yeah, but barely so. Miss church one day? Death for being a Heretic. Forget to pray to the Emperor? Life in prison (If those even exist). See a Webway gate? Death.


    Give me one example where this actually happens in the BL. Hint, there probably won't be. People tend to really inflate the crapsack nature of the IOM, it's just the problem of people constantly repeating something until it's a meme. 1D4Chan is especially guilty of this.


    Legacy with the Arbites lady has an example of a religious prison on Hydraphur I think. A lot of the people in it have done relatively inconsequential things. What is probably more dangerous is getting on the wrong side of a Redemptionist Crusade through your part of the underhive Witches a plenty and at least one lynching per day guaranteed. Bring out your baseless rumours and accusations!]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6586268.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6586268.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans?
     Wyzilla wrote:
     Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:
     Wyzilla wrote:
     Sparks_Havelock wrote:
    in the 41st Millennium there is no good, there is no evil, there are only perspectives. And war.


    The Imperium actually though isn't really that bad at all save for bad Hive Worlds. As an organization, it isn't that bad so long as you aren't an underhiver. The IOM just sucks if you happen to be near HERESY or XENOS, or are an abhuman. Sure, you wouldn't choose to live there, but say, it's actually livable in how Soviet Russia was livable.

    Liveable, yeah, but barely so. Miss church one day? Death for being a Heretic. Forget to pray to the Emperor? Life in prison (If those even exist). See a Webway gate? Death.


    Give me one example where this actually happens in the BL. Hint, there probably won't be. People tend to really inflate the crapsack nature of the IOM, it's just the problem of people constantly repeating something until it's a meme. 1D4Chan is especially guilty of this.


    40k was created to be incredibly dark, often to the point of comedy and had plenty of satirical elements. Sadly the tone have traveled from Judge Dredd camp all the way to Spartan 300 pretension. This isn't universal by any means or even bad in all cases. Really I don't think you can actually rate the crap sack level of the Imperium it does suck because it was designed by the game writers that way. It is overwhelmingly a war state under permanent siege. Even if you're not on the front lines often you're planet will be left at subsistence level as Terra strips you of resources and wealth.

    Also there are many planets that are 'normal' but something like 90% of inhabited worlds (say sayeth the 3rd Edition rule book) have populations of thousands not millions while some particularly huge hive/forge planets have populations of trillions. I'd wager the overwhelming majority of Imperial citizens live hideous lives on these particular planets.

    Even if the 90% are lovely, its like saying South-East Asia is at the cutting edge of global economics and living standards because Singapore exists (the comparison isn't 100% but you get the idea).]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6608393.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6608393.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans?
    Mellow wrote:
    The Tau killing those who don't submit to the Greater Good is no different from The Great Crusade where whole worlds were burnt if they didn't submit to the Imperial Truth.

    Give it a few millennia and the Tau will be as grimdark at the IoM


    The Tau have, as I understand it, allowed beaten enemies to survive under the Greater Good. They don't Exterminatus entire planets because a few leaders decide to resist them like the IoM does.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6617115.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6617115.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans?
    Exterminatus is reserved for planets that can't be saved. It completely destroys the value of a world.

    They launch ground campaigns to pacify worlds. Even if that does include killing every chaos-loving, disruptive monster on any given planet, they try to leave the planet itself in tact so they can retain use of its resources.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6617766.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6617766.page GMT     Re:Non-Imperium humans?
     Grey Templar wrote:
    There are humans everywhere.

    The Imperium only encompasses a fraction of what mankind settled when we left Earth.


    Not even slightly true. The Emperor handed over the Great Crusade to Horus only once it was deemed virtually complete. The Crusade's objective was to reclaim the Old Earth settlements and it mostly succeeded. Only very isolated human worlds would have gone this long without discover by now. It does happen but it is rare, most of humanity lives in the Imperium's borders.

    Personally I think the Interex were the best human faction, they could have allied with the Eldar and fought off Chaos if the Imperium had found allies in them, instead of crushing them in 30k, all because Horus just had to bring along Erebus with his grubby little mitts.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6618280.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6618280.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6618844.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6618844.page GMT Non-Imperium humans?
    WayneTheGame wrote:
    I'm actually curious if there could be like a renegade Imperial Guard that wasn't allied with Chaos, but declared itself independent. Like, would the Imperium be like "They dare to be independent?! Wipe them out!" and nuke them into oblivion, or be like "Meh we have better things to do"?


    They would be exterminated. Other humans are the Imperial Guard's most-common enemy, whether that's Traitors or simply recidivists. To declare yourself independent of the Imperium is to directly proclaim yourself against the God-Emperor of Mankind... and that cannot go unanswered.

    No matter what your pissant little collection of worlds possesses, it does not have the manpower to stop an Imperial Crusade. The only reason the Tau Empire exists is because the Tyranid arrived and the Damocles Crusade was diverted to fight it. A break-off human system would fare far, far worse, as they do not even have a place to flee to, when the Tyranid (or the Necrons or the Dark Eldar, or the Sluagth, or the Enslavers...) arrive.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6618872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6618872.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans? IG and Marines), but the lore doesn't support that outside of them being part of Chaos, or I guess they could be Gue'vesa with the Tau, but not a total independent faction.

    I almost wish they'd do something with the lore to allow for Marine vs. Marine and IG vs. Marine and IG vs. IG and the like without it being a stupid "You're the traitor! No you! Nuh uh! Yeah huh" kind of thing to explain it from a lore perspective.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6618898.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6618898.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans?
    WayneTheGame wrote:
    I'm actually curious if there could be like a renegade Imperial Guard that wasn't allied with Chaos, but declared itself independent. Like, would the Imperium be like "They dare to be independent?! Wipe them out!" and nuke them into oblivion, or be like "Meh we have better things to do"?


    Secessionists die in ignominy.

    WaynrTheGame wrote:That kinda sucks, I mean it makes perfect sense, but still. I was tempted to look at the new "Astra Militarum" as a way to do a renegade Imperial army (and even that mostly to justify fighting IG and Marines), but the lore doesn't support that outside of them being part of Chaos, or I guess they could be Gue'vesa with the Tau, but not a total independent faction.


    Oh, no, your army concept is completely viable - just as long as you understand that they are going to be crushed beneath the Imperium's heel. You can probably get ten or fifteen decades of life out of Administratum filing errors.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6618904.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6618904.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6619129.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6619129.page GMT Non-Imperium humans?
    That's why all Imperium forces get "Preferred Enemy" against Tau gue'vessa. They're just THAT serious about smashing human traitor scum (and unlike Chaos humans, these ones can't even claim to have been tricked or possessed by Chaos)

    That said, a secessionist planet/system can survive for a (very limited) time without Chaos/Xenos rulers. Technically Huron's rebellion was a secessionist empire for a while that might not have been Chaos aligned (it's unknown exactly when Huron first turned to Chaos)

    Another secessionist empire that's still going is the Severan Dominate, the main antagonist of FFG's "Only War" RPG series. If anything, the Dominate does a very VERY good job of showing all the PROBLEMS seceding from the Imperium has (while still being a large threat and antagonist). It's a wonder their leader hasn't died from one of the many mental breakdowns he's likely had by now. Although his empire is still alive right now, I'm under the impression it won't last forever even if the Imperium loses the current war.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6619252.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6619252.page GMT     Re:Non-Imperium humans?
    Some of Macharius's furthest conquests rebelled after his death and were never retaken so it is possible to throw off the Imperium and survive. Also as many have said, the Imerpium is not a continuous state. There are numerous pocket empires within it of aliens and humans that have never been reconquered (or perhaps they were successful rebels now retconned in Imperial records).

    ]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6619572.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6619572.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6619577.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6619577.page GMT Re:Non-Imperium humans? Deathwatch RPG setting is set in the reconquest attempt of an area of space that used to be an Imperial sector that was lost and re-designated as wilderness space. Even this was only possible because of the discovery of that stargate structure that allowed for easy invasion into the sector for the Imperium. Otherwise the area would have remained lost, and any worlds within it would have been free to do whatever they wanted (or die or fall apart however they wanted). If hypothetically the reconquest attempt of this Jericho Sector were to somehow fail catastrophically, I would imagine the Imperium would remove any records indicating an attempt took place at all in order to preserve the myth of Imperial military invincibility and inevitability. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6619592.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6619592.page GMT Non-Imperium humans? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6619616.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6619616.page GMT Non-Imperium humans?
     Psienesis wrote:
    The fact that they have (and continue to do so) devoted millions upon millions of soldiers to retaking the Jericho Sector indicates what any breakaway province should expect.


    The only reason they do so is because of the stargate and the remaining Deathwatch outposts. If that stargate were not there, the Imperium would not have undertaken the effort to assault the sector more conventionally using fleets making warp jumps from other sectors. The attempt to reconquer the Jericho Sector was purely opportunistic because of the stargate discovery. Until that, the Jericho Sector had effectively slipped from Imperial rule permanently, and had done so for generations, and there were no real Imperial plans to alter that situation until the stargate was discovered.

    Now in the Only War RPG, if the Severan Dominate were to successfully defeat both the Orks and the Imperium, I would imagine it would also be written off by the Imperium until some indeterminate (possibly never) time in the future. ]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6619627.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6619627.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans?
    It's also a way to justify having things from the western Imperium here on the far-eastern butt-end of the Imperium. The stargate is a plot device, basically. The game would, with minor tweaking, work just as well without it, but the Rule of Cool (in a narrative sense) wins the day here.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6619658.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6619658.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans?
    WayneTheGame wrote:
    I'm actually curious if there could be like a renegade Imperial Guard that wasn't allied with Chaos, but declared itself independent. Like, would the Imperium be like "They dare to be independent?! Wipe them out!" and nuke them into oblivion, or be like "Meh we have better things to do"?


    As with everything in 40k, it depends. The former literally happened in the background of the Death Korps of Krieg: the government of Krieg seceded from the Imperium which led to a (nuclear) civil war between government-loyal Kriegers and Imperium-loyal Kriegers.

    On the other hand, the latter is entirely possible under the right circumstances. Just imagine a huge hive world. You could have an army of millions fighting for independence from the Imperium. It's just that the Independent People's Democratic Republic they're fighting to establish comprises about 0.0000000000000001% of the planet's population, and even if the territory was the size of what we'd call a decent country would be a spit in the ocean for such a hive world. The planetary governors might not even notice that little bit gone rogue, never mind the Administratum.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6619884.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6619884.page GMT     Non-Imperium humans?
     Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:
    Do any non-imperium humans exist?


    Yes, there's bazillions of non-imperial humans. There's tens of thousands of planets colonized by humans who have never heard of the Imperium but Terra usually still a distant legend.
    The Imperium has fleets flying around the galaxy full time trying to find these worlds....and y'know conquer them.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6626778.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6626778.page GMT     Re:Non-Imperium humans?
     KorPhaeron77 wrote:
     Grey Templar wrote:
    There are humans everywhere.

    The Imperium only encompasses a fraction of what mankind settled when we left Earth.


    Not even slightly true. The Emperor handed over the Great Crusade to Horus only once it was deemed virtually complete. The Crusade's objective was to reclaim the Old Earth settlements and it mostly succeeded. Only very isolated human worlds would have gone this long without discover by now. It does happen but it is rare, most of humanity lives in the Imperium's borders.

    Personally I think the Interex were the best human faction, they could have allied with the Eldar and fought off Chaos if the Imperium had found allies in them, instead of crushing them in 30k, all because Horus just had to bring along Erebus with his grubby little mitts.


    1) They still didn't have nearly all the Planets that were settled. Just the ones they could find, its not like there was a database on Earth of all the planets that got settled. They were literally heading off into unknown space with any knowledge they did have being thousands of years out of date. The Emperor left because enough had been accomplished to move on to the next stage, the missed areas could be mopped up later.

    2) The Imperium's borders today are way smaller than they were at the end of the Crusade. The Heresy ravaged the Imperium and thousands of planets were lost.]]>     http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6627100.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/581676/6627100.page GMT