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Do any non-imperium humans exist?

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Gue%27vesa

Chaos employs quite a few. And there are plenty of undiscovered or lost worlds outside of the imperium.

 curran12 wrote:
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Gue%27vesa

This is... surprising. Something actually wholly GOOD in the 40k universe? A socioty that isn't either an oppressive donkey-cave or a mindless beast? Tau are my new favorite race by far.

 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Gue%27vesa

This is... surprising. Something actually wholly GOOD in the 40k universe? A socioty that isn't either an oppressive donkey-cave or a mindless beast? Tau are my new favorite race by far.

Of course you don't see the part about the Tau obliterating anyone who isn't on board with their whole "Greater Good" thing.

Nor do you see the implied mind control used on those who serve them (Vespid).

Nor the rigid leadership who devotes commanders to hunting down another one who deviated from their plans.

Otherwise, they are great, yeah.

 curran12 wrote:

 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Gue%27vesa

This is... surprising. Something actually wholly GOOD in the 40k universe? A socioty that isn't either an oppressive donkey-cave or a mindless beast? Tau are my new favorite race by far.

Of course you don't see the part about the Tau obliterating anyone who isn't on board with their whole "Greater Good" thing.

Nor do you see the implied mind control used on those who serve them (Vespid).

Nor the rigid leadership who devotes commanders to hunting down another one who deviated from their plans.

Otherwise, they are great, yeah.

Yeah, did not see those things. Ok, Tau are still donkey-caves. However, still less of donkey-caves than everyone else.

 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Gue%27vesa

This is... surprising. Something actually wholly GOOD in the 40k universe? A socioty that isn't either an oppressive donkey-cave or a mindless beast? Tau are my new favorite race by far.

You mean the aggressively expansionist dictatorial utilitarian society who brooks no disagreements with it's strict racial caste structure which is lead by an "elite" racial minority who may or may not be subtly mind controlling the populace? Yeah they're definitely the good guys

in the 41st Millennium there is no good, there is no evil, there are only perspectives. And war.

40k is about Law vs Chaos rather than Good vs Evil.

It's also about seeing how far you can push the heroes into evil before they stop being heroes.

 Sparks_Havelock wrote:
in the 41st Millennium there is no good, there is no evil, there are only perspectives. And war.

The Imperium actually though isn't really that bad at all save for bad Hive Worlds. As an organization, it isn't that bad so long as you aren't an underhiver. The IOM just sucks if you happen to be near HERESY or XENOS, or are an abhuman. Sure, you wouldn't choose to live there, but say, it's actually livable in how Soviet Russia was livable.

DID SOMEBODY SAY...

SEVERAN DOMINATE?

...

Oh wait. They are a separatist group of IG from the Spinward front that they introduced in only war. I quite like them

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Sparks_Havelock wrote:
in the 41st Millennium there is no good, there is no evil, there are only perspectives. And war.

The Imperium actually though isn't really that bad at all save for bad Hive Worlds. As an organization, it isn't that bad so long as you aren't an underhiver. The IOM just sucks if you happen to be near HERESY or XENOS, or are an abhuman. Sure, you wouldn't choose to live there, but say, it's actually livable in how Soviet Russia was livable.

Liveable, yeah, but barely so. Miss church one day? Death for being a Heretic. Forget to pray to the Emperor? Life in prison (If those even exist). See a Webway gate? Death.

 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Sparks_Havelock wrote:
in the 41st Millennium there is no good, there is no evil, there are only perspectives. And war.

The Imperium actually though isn't really that bad at all save for bad Hive Worlds. As an organization, it isn't that bad so long as you aren't an underhiver. The IOM just sucks if you happen to be near HERESY or XENOS, or are an abhuman. Sure, you wouldn't choose to live there, but say, it's actually livable in how Soviet Russia was livable.

Liveable, yeah, but barely so. Miss church one day? Death for being a Heretic. Forget to pray to the Emperor? Life in prison (If those even exist). See a Webway gate? Death.

Prison? That's what the Penal Legions are for!

Don't forget about the fact that if you're born a psyker, your life is basically taken from you in any one of these ways:

Fed to the Emperor

Sanctioned into Imperial service

Executed by the Ecclesiarchy

Manipulated by Chaos

Possessed by daemons

It's very unlikely you're going to live a normal civilian life if you're a psyker in the Imperium.

 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Sparks_Havelock wrote:
in the 41st Millennium there is no good, there is no evil, there are only perspectives. And war.

The Imperium actually though isn't really that bad at all save for bad Hive Worlds. As an organization, it isn't that bad so long as you aren't an underhiver. The IOM just sucks if you happen to be near HERESY or XENOS, or are an abhuman. Sure, you wouldn't choose to live there, but say, it's actually livable in how Soviet Russia was livable.

Liveable, yeah, but barely so. Miss church one day? Death for being a Heretic. Forget to pray to the Emperor? Life in prison (If those even exist). See a Webway gate? Death.

Give me one example where this actually happens in the BL. Hint, there probably won't be. People tend to really inflate the crapsack nature of the IOM, it's just the problem of people constantly repeating something until it's a meme. 1D4Chan is especially guilty of this.

This tread is losing it's way.

 Wyzilla wrote:

Give me one example where this actually happens in the BL. Hint, there probably won't be. People tend to really inflate the crapsack nature of the IOM, it's just the problem of people constantly repeating something until it's a meme. 1D4Chan is especially guilty of this.

Probably from the Guardsman' Handbook. There are more insane thing like mentioned above in there. Like getting shot for not keeping your gun in check, etc.

But yeah. There are Traitor Guard, Renegade Guard, Guardsmen alligned to the Greater Good, Cultists, gangs in Hive Cities (They don't care about the Imperium at all.),undiscovered human colonies. there should be even more examples.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Sparks_Havelock wrote:
in the 41st Millennium there is no good, there is no evil, there are only perspectives. And war.

The Imperium actually though isn't really that bad at all save for bad Hive Worlds. As an organization, it isn't that bad so long as you aren't an underhiver. The IOM just sucks if you happen to be near HERESY or XENOS, or are an abhuman. Sure, you wouldn't choose to live there, but say, it's actually livable in how Soviet Russia was livable.

Liveable, yeah, but barely so. Miss church one day? Death for being a Heretic. Forget to pray to the Emperor? Life in prison (If those even exist). See a Webway gate? Death.

Give me one example where this actually happens in the BL. Hint, there probably won't be. People tend to really inflate the crapsack nature of the IOM, it's just the problem of people constantly repeating something until it's a meme. 1D4Chan is especially guilty of this.

I agree with this. In the Imperium, church-going and prayer aren't law. In fact in terms of religion, it's quite lax in regards to the fact that the Ecclesiarchy isn't a sectarian organisation that stamps out alternative religions and builds its own church on the rubble - it approves of different religions so long as they can be interpreted as being in line with the Imperial Creed.

@OP - Yes there are dozens if not hundreds of none-Imperium worlds/empires. The Imperium spans many sectors but it's not a unified block. Most IoM sectors are found along stable warp routes, and either side of said sectors there could be whole human empires/alien empires laying low so as to not attract the prying eyes of others. (does it not say something along those lines in a dex somewhere?)
The galaxy is huge, so if you wish to create your own little human culture spanning several star systems then there's no reason why you can't so long as you explain the history and how they came to be there and what they've been up to while the galaxy burns.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

Give me one example where this actually happens in the BL. Hint, there probably won't be. People tend to really inflate the crapsack nature of the IOM, it's just the problem of people constantly repeating something until it's a meme. 1D4Chan is especially guilty of this.

Probably from the Guardsman' Handbook. There are more insane thing like mentioned above in there. Like getting shot for not keeping your gun in check, etc.

But yeah. There are Traitor Guard, Renegade Guard, Guardsmen alligned to the Greater Good, Cultists, gangs in Hive Cities (They don't care about the Imperium at all.),undiscovered human colonies. there should be even more examples.

There is this one group of planets in the DH rulebook, The Cestelle Alliance that accidently got lost by the Administratium and retook themselves. They are even still semi-autonomous as they are more efficient than the Administratium

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

There is this one group of planets in the DH rulebook, The Cestelle Alliance that accidently got lost by the Administratium and retook themselves. They are even still semi-autonomous as they are more efficient than the Administratium

Mostly due to Diseconomies of Scale. :p

 Wyzilla wrote:
Give me one example where this actually happens in the BL..

Not exactly this, but in one of the Shira Calpurnia books because it's a holy day the Sororitas are in the streets looking for anyone not in the temples and killing them - the Arbites need to get a special pass to move around freely. And in 'Flesh and Iron' the Ecclesiarchy has the Imperial Guard execute most of the still loyal indigenous people rather than have them fall to Chaos.

HERESY

I haven't read that Calpurnica book, but it does seem a little extreme. Sororitas truancy officers I can understand, but they should be checking paperwork first.

Its a whole galaxy, with estimates ranging up to 400 billion stars, there's probably millions of human worlds with little if any clue who the Emperor is. Then there's all the xeno races. I love in fluff when they drop the name of some totally unknown race yet without fail they will have a burning hatred for the Imperium!

I once toyed with making a *Lizardmen army for 40k, basically a John Carter of Mars style minor race launching a jihad against humanity for all its terrible crimes but naturally Terra hardly bats an eyelid.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Sparks_Havelock wrote:
in the 41st Millennium there is no good, there is no evil, there are only perspectives. And war.

The Imperium actually though isn't really that bad at all save for bad Hive Worlds. As an organization, it isn't that bad so long as you aren't an underhiver. The IOM just sucks if you happen to be near HERESY or XENOS, or are an abhuman. Sure, you wouldn't choose to live there, but say, it's actually livable in how Soviet Russia was livable.

Really, compared to the IoM, Soviet Russia was an absolute paradise.

But there are indeed non-Imperial humans. Traitors who defected to Chaos and the Tau, as well as worlds lost during the Age of Strife that haven't been rediscovered by the IoM.

Yea, the Imperium still stumbles across human planets that it never found before even in the present 40th millenium, albeit rarely.

There are humans everywhere.

The Imperium only encompasses a fraction of what mankind settled when we left Earth.

The Tau killing those who don't submit to the Greater Good is no different from The Great Crusade where whole worlds were burnt if they didn't submit to the Imperial Truth.

Give it a few millennia and the Tau will be as grimdark at the IoM

It would be nice to have a codex of non-IoM humans. Maybe a cluster of planets that have been able to hold off smaller crusades. Perhaps they ally with xenos. Not so farfetched.