Wyzilla wrote:
I'd qualify the GEOM as a god, simply by how many minor daemons of chaos such as Malice also quality as deities, despite being underpowered compared to the Emperor.

 YFNPsycho wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
I'd qualify the GEOM as a god, simply by how many minor daemons of chaos such as Malice also quality as deities, despite being underpowered compared to the Emperor.

Malice is not merely a powerful Daemon of Chaos, he is considered a Chaos god for the reason that Daemons are just broken-off pieces of the Gods. By this line of reasoning, you could consider the Big Four incredibly powerful amalgamations of their respective Daemons.
I personally would argue that Stromfels probably exists in 40k, since he is a power in WHFB.

 Wyzilla wrote:
To my knowledge, Malice lacks any feats to actually put him at any powerful edge remotely close to the Chaos Gods. He's simply one of the infinite entities in the immaterium below the Chaos Gods in power. IIRC, didn't he only eve show up in one short story and no-where else?

Animus wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
To my knowledge, Malice lacks any feats to actually put him at any powerful edge remotely close to the Chaos Gods. He's simply one of the infinite entities in the immaterium below the Chaos Gods in power. IIRC, didn't he only eve show up in one short story and no-where else?

Yes, in Labyrinth where he was actually summoned into the physical universe, which is something then Chaos Gods proper cannot do.

 YFNPsycho wrote:

Animus wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
To my knowledge, Malice lacks any feats to actually put him at any powerful edge remotely close to the Chaos Gods. He's simply one of the infinite entities in the immaterium below the Chaos Gods in power. IIRC, didn't he only eve show up in one short story and no-where else?

Yes, in Labyrinth where he was actually summoned into the physical universe, which is something then Chaos Gods proper cannot do.

It doesn't matter if you're summoned to the Physical Universe, as long as you're not part of the Big Four, i.e., a Daemon of a specific Chaos God, you're considered a God of the Warp. Seriously, look it up on Lexicanum.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
The God-Emperor of Mankind
Omnissiah (Machine God)
Gork and Mork
Major Chaos gods: Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch, Slaanesh.
Minor Chaos gods: Malice, Ans'l, Mo'rcck, Phraz-Etar and many many more nameless ones.
The C'tan: Aza'gorod (the Nightbringer), Iash'uddra (the Endless Swarm), Llandu'gor (the Flayer), Mephet'ran (the Deceiver), Nyadra'zatha (the Burning One), Tsara'noga (the Outsider), Mag'ladroth (the Void Dragon), Kalugura, Og'driada (the Arisen), Yggra'nya (the Moulder of Worlds).
Eldar Gods: Asuryan, Gea, Hoec, Cegorach, Isha, Kaela Mensha Khaine, Kurnous, Lileath, Morai-Heg, Vaul, Ynnead.

That is all the gods I know about. There probably are many more we never hear about, as every alien race has probaly its own gods.
Whether they are truly gods or just extremely powerful life forms and whether there is a difference between that is up for debate. It depends mainly on how you define the word 'god'.

 Lord-Captain Cepinari wrote:
There's also the fact that The God-Emperor and the Omnissiah May or may not be the same thing, depending on who you ask.

 Inkubas wrote:
Better than any Greek story about gods that's for sure

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Inkubas wrote:
Better than any Greek story about gods that's for sure

Any Greek story about gods invariably ends with steaming hot man love, weird fetish sex, eating kids or unspeakable suffering and torture. The ancient Greeks must have been an incredibly awesome bunch of people.

 Kain wrote:

 YFNPsycho wrote:

Animus wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
To my knowledge, Malice lacks any feats to actually put him at any powerful edge remotely close to the Chaos Gods. He's simply one of the infinite entities in the immaterium below the Chaos Gods in power. IIRC, didn't he only eve show up in one short story and no-where else?

Yes, in Labyrinth where he was actually summoned into the physical universe, which is something then Chaos Gods proper cannot do.

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It doesn't matter if you're summoned to the Physical Universe, as long as you're not part of the Big Four, i.e., a Daemon of a specific Chaos God, you're considered a God of the Warp. Seriously, look it up on Lexicanum.

Such godlike power.

 YFNPsycho wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 YFNPsycho wrote:

Animus wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
To my knowledge, Malice lacks any feats to actually put him at any powerful edge remotely close to the Chaos Gods. He's simply one of the infinite entities in the immaterium below the Chaos Gods in power. IIRC, didn't he only eve show up in one short story and no-where else?

Yes, in Labyrinth where he was actually summoned into the physical universe, which is something then Chaos Gods proper cannot do.

u
It doesn't matter if you're summoned to the Physical Universe, as long as you're not part of the Big Four, i.e., a Daemon of a specific Chaos God, you're considered a God of the Warp. Seriously, look it up on Lexicanum.

Such godlike power.

Here, this is directly from the Lexicanum.

Lexicanum wrote: Malice represents the Warp's Chaotic tendencies, and is notable for his hatred of the major Gods of Chaos: Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, and Slaanesh. Followers of Malice are prone to acts of anarchy, waging war upon not only the servants of the Imperium but also those of the other Gods of Chaos.



Unlike the primary Chaos Gods, Malice can be summoned directly to the Materium provided enough mortal sacrifices are given and he is given a body to Daemonically possess.

And the furies really are not a good example. They are daemons of whatever god is currently in ascendancy. So, say, during the Time of Changes, in WHFB, they would be Daemons of Tzeentch. Why do you think GW forces you to upgrade Daemon Princes to specific Gods?

 Inkubas wrote:
I wonder if there is anyway to defeat the gods of chaos. In the books, they keep mentioning that the Emperor is anti chaos.

 Wyzilla wrote:
I own the short story. The Lexicanum is likely quoting hyperbole, as there is actually nothing indicating Malice is a god at all, just one of the numerous minor entities within the warp. There's nothing else on Malice, and characteristics of the retconned Malal should not be applied to Malice.

And while a good wiki, the Lexicanum is still a wiki, and not a source.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Gork and Mork are also Chaos gods btw.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
I own the short story. The Lexicanum is likely quoting hyperbole, as there is actually nothing indicating Malice is a god at all, just one of the numerous minor entities within the warp. There's nothing else on Malice, and characteristics of the retconned Malal should not be applied to Malice.

And while a good wiki, the Lexicanum is still a wiki, and not a source.

Malice is not an entity of any Chaos god, and therefore can not be a deamon. Chaos gods are beings born in the Warp by the emotions and believes of mortals. The more powerful the emotion, the more powerful the god. Malice is a god of chaos, one of the myriad chaos gods in existence. But none of these minor gods are anywhere near the level of power of the major gods. Furies are a bad comparison, since they are a different thing altogether. Gork and Mork are also Chaos gods btw.
A god does not have to be a being of immense power, a god can be a lot of things depending on how you define the word 'god'.

 Inkubas wrote:
What are all the gods of 40k and are they really gods or just higher life forms.

 Da krimson barun wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Gork and Mork are also Chaos gods btw.

.... GORK AND MORK ISNT SPIKEY BOYZ BOSSES!YOU IZ A STOOPID HUMIE WHO 'FINKS DEAD BOYZ ARE BOSSEZ!

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Da krimson barun wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Gork and Mork are also Chaos gods btw.

.... GORK AND MORK ISNT SPIKEY BOYZ BOSSES!YOU IZ A STOOPID HUMIE WHO 'FINKS DEAD BOYZ ARE BOSSEZ!

Like all gods, Gork and Mork live in the Warp. The Warp is a dimension of energy known as Chaos. So even though 'Chaos' in common parlance refers to the followers of the four Dark Gods, all gods, even the Emperor Himself, are technically Chaos gods. Or are you implying Gork and Mork aren't gods? I don't think your fellow Orks would like that...

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
I own the short story. The Lexicanum is likely quoting hyperbole, as there is actually nothing indicating Malice is a god at all, just one of the numerous minor entities within the warp. There's nothing else on Malice, and characteristics of the retconned Malal should not be applied to Malice.

And while a good wiki, the Lexicanum is still a wiki, and not a source.

Malice is not an entity of any Chaos god, and therefore can not be a deamon. Chaos gods are beings born in the Warp by the emotions and believes of mortals. The more powerful the emotion, the more powerful the god. Malice is a god of chaos, one of the myriad chaos gods in existence. But none of these minor gods are anywhere near the level of power of the major gods. Furies are a bad comparison, since they are a different thing altogether. Gork and Mork are also Chaos gods btw.
A god does not have to be a being of immense power, a god can be a lot of things depending on how you define the word 'god'.

So powerful.

No, there are numerous unaligned entities within the warp, infinite actually, all chaotic in origin that are spawned by the Immaterium. Malice is one of these, nothing actually points to him being a Chaos God, merely one of the innumerable minor entities within the Immaterium, which are not gods.

 Lord-Captain Cepinari wrote:
Yeah, see, this is why my terminology would make things easier.

It's a lot more likely that the Omnissiah is actually a Shard of the Void Dragon, if the book Mechanicum is anything to go by.

 Happyjew wrote:
At my work we have a scale that keeps acting up (readout goes all wonky). Today I uttered a prayer to the Machine God to calm the spirit within. Everyone looked at me like I was crazy, but at least it worked.

 Happyjew wrote:
At my work we have a scale that keeps acting up (readout goes all wonky). Today I uttered a prayer to the Machine God to calm the spirit within. Everyone looked at me like I was crazy, but at least it worked.

 Inkubas wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
At my work we have a scale that keeps acting up (readout goes all wonky). Today I uttered a prayer to the Machine God to calm the spirit within. Everyone looked at me like I was crazy, but at least it worked.

What litany of soothing did you utter to pacify the machine spirit?