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 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Da krimson barun wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Gork and Mork are also Chaos gods btw.

.... GORK AND MORK ISNT SPIKEY BOYZ BOSSES!YOU IZ A STOOPID HUMIE WHO 'FINKS DEAD BOYZ ARE BOSSEZ!

Like all gods, Gork and Mork live in the Warp. The Warp is a dimension of energy known as Chaos. So even though 'Chaos' in common parlance refers to the followers of the four Dark Gods, all gods, even the Emperor Himself, are technically Chaos gods. Or are you implying Gork and Mork aren't gods? I don't think your fellow Orks would like that...

I'm pretty sure this is incorrect.

Chaos is just parts of the warp manifested by emotions. The entire warp isn't chaos. There are infact benign warp entities, and things like the Enslavers, which have nothing to do with Chaos, but are Warp entities

I always thought there was a difference between "Chaos" Gods and "Warp" Gods, with the Ork and Eldar pantheons being examples of the latter. Chaos Gods are the apotheosis of certain emotions and desires, while Warp Gods have a more specific position. It's also possible, I think, for Warp Gods to be powerful without having the insane extremes of the Chaos Gods.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
I own the short story. The Lexicanum is likely quoting hyperbole, as there is actually nothing indicating Malice is a god at all, just one of the numerous minor entities within the warp. There's nothing else on Malice, and characteristics of the retconned Malal should not be applied to Malice.

And while a good wiki, the Lexicanum is still a wiki, and not a source.

Malice is not an entity of any Chaos god, and therefore can not be a deamon. Chaos gods are beings born in the Warp by the emotions and believes of mortals. The more powerful the emotion, the more powerful the god. Malice is a god of chaos, one of the myriad chaos gods in existence. But none of these minor gods are anywhere near the level of power of the major gods. Furies are a bad comparison, since they are a different thing altogether. Gork and Mork are also Chaos gods btw.
A god does not have to be a being of immense power, a god can be a lot of things depending on how you define the word 'god'.

So powerful.

No, there are numerous unaligned entities within the warp, infinite actually, all chaotic in origin that are spawned by the Immaterium. Malice is one of these, nothing actually points to him being a Chaos God, merely one of the innumerable minor entities within the Immaterium, which are not gods.

You are once again referring to the Chaos furies. Again they are a bad example as they form in a very different manner than other Warp entities. They are the souls of mortals who tried to use Chaos for their own gain. A god in the meanwhile, is a manifestation of mortal emotions and souls in the Warp. Malice is a chaos god in the same way the Emperor, Cegorach and Khorne are gods. Different of course because being shaped by different emotions, but still similar. Malice is outright referred to as a god (the Renegade God) in the Labyrinth. There are myriads of gods like malice, as should be expected. The existence of minor Chaos gods have been part of Chaos fluff since at least the 3rd edition.
And again, god ≠ powerful.

 Sasori wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Da krimson barun wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Gork and Mork are also Chaos gods btw.

.... GORK AND MORK ISNT SPIKEY BOYZ BOSSES!YOU IZ A STOOPID HUMIE WHO 'FINKS DEAD BOYZ ARE BOSSEZ!

Like all gods, Gork and Mork live in the Warp. The Warp is a dimension of energy known as Chaos. So even though 'Chaos' in common parlance refers to the followers of the four Dark Gods, all gods, even the Emperor Himself, are technically Chaos gods. Or are you implying Gork and Mork aren't gods? I don't think your fellow Orks would like that...

I'm pretty sure this is incorrect.

Chaos is just parts of the warp manifested by emotions. The entire warp isn't chaos. There are infact benign warp entities, and things like the Enslavers, which have nothing to do with Chaos, but are Warp entities

Chaos is the psychic energy that composes Warp space. More generally, "Chaos" refers to anything related to Chaos, including its influence, the Gods of Chaos, their followers, and the Warp. Chaos is almost synonymous with the Warp - the two concepts are inseparable: Chaos is the limitless ocean of spiritual and emotional energy that defines the Warp. It is a great and raw force of change and power, and is both physically and spiritually corrupting.

The Warp = Chaos. But Chaos ≠ Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch, Slaanesh. Chaos encompasses the entire Warp, even though it is most often used just to refer to the Dark Gods and their followers.

 Lord-Captain Cepinari wrote:
I always thought there was a difference between "Chaos" Gods and "Warp" Gods, with the Ork and Eldar pantheons being examples of the latter. Chaos Gods are the apotheosis of certain emotions and desires, while Warp Gods have a more specific position. It's also possible, I think, for Warp Gods to be powerful without having the insane extremes of the Chaos Gods.

Calling them Warp Gods would be good to avoid confusion.

It helps that there's a clear difference in behavior between the Chaos Gods and the Warp Gods, not to mention how they interact with their believers.

The Chaos Gods feed upon their respective emotions, while the Warp Gods appear, as far as I can tell, to be entirely self-sufficient. While the Avatar of Khaine requires a willing sacrifice to manifest in the material realm, the Eldar don't appear to need to do anything else for him that could be considered 'feeding' him in some way.

There's also the fact that the Warp existed long before Chaos did, or at the very least Chaos as an active threat. It could be that the Chaos part of the Warp is so prevalent to the point that there's no real difference between the two anymore is because the Galaxy is just that messed up a place.

As to which category Him On Earth falls into, I can't really say at this point. On the one hand, a thousand souls are sacrificed to him every day, but that could be less him being a Chaos God and more him being on the world's worst life support rig, and the 'Holy Powers' certain Sororitas Sisters manifest in battle don't behave like the usual Chaos-derived powers, so an argument could be made that he's actually a Warp God of some sort, or at the very least a Proto-Warp God who may-or-may-not successfully achieve apotheosis once the Golden Throne finally breaks down for good.

It's too bad GW does everything Warp-related as Chaos-related, there's some potential there. Warp Powers as an alternative to Chaos Powers, with good Librarians sticking to the former while Sorcerers decide that the latter is better. It could still be dangerous, but in a natural way, like how a fire is dangerous but not evil, while Chaos is explicitly malign in it's actions.

It's important to note that there are two ways to use the term Chaos.

Chaos: The psychic energy that the entirety of the Warp is made of. The word is used because of the ever-changing and unstable nature of the Warp.

Chaos: The daemonic legions and corrupting entities of the Warp that are affiliated with the Chaos Gods.

Most, not all, entities that exist in the Warp are composed of Chaotic energies, but they are not necessarily affiliated with the daemonic forces of Chaos. Just because something exists in the Warp does not mean it is affiliated with Chaos, but it does mean it (with certain exceptions) is composed of Chaos energy.

Yeah, see, this is why my terminology would make things easier.

 Lord-Captain Cepinari wrote:
Yeah, see, this is why my terminology would make things easier.

It does. But it is still important to note the difference between the two kinds of 'Chaos' in order to understand Chaos fluff.

Using "Chaos" to refer to two different but equally big things is confusing.

It's a lot more likely that the Omnissiah is actually a Shard of the Void Dragon, if the book Mechanicum is anything to go by.

Did that not get retconned in the Cron Dex?

At my work we have a scale that keeps acting up (readout goes all wonky). Today I uttered a prayer to the Machine God to calm the spirit within. Everyone looked at me like I was crazy, but at least it worked.

 Happyjew wrote:
At my work we have a scale that keeps acting up (readout goes all wonky). Today I uttered a prayer to the Machine God to calm the spirit within. Everyone looked at me like I was crazy, but at least it worked.

Don't say stuff like that. I have enough psychological issues as it is, I don't need to add "Fear of the Warp" to my list.

 Happyjew wrote:
At my work we have a scale that keeps acting up (readout goes all wonky). Today I uttered a prayer to the Machine God to calm the spirit within. Everyone looked at me like I was crazy, but at least it worked.

What litany of soothing did you utter to pacify the machine spirit?

 Inkubas wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
At my work we have a scale that keeps acting up (readout goes all wonky). Today I uttered a prayer to the Machine God to calm the spirit within. Everyone looked at me like I was crazy, but at least it worked.

What litany of soothing did you utter to pacify the machine spirit?

Spirits of the Machine-God, aid
your servant and calm this scale
so he may use it to bake bread.

Oh, that is most funny. Thank you for that. Have an Exalt.