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That said, it's more complicated than that. The Emperor is seen by the Machine Cult as an avatar of the Omnissiah, and in some ways he is. We don't actually know if the shard remains on Mars post-heresy, but there is a small sect of guardians on Mars, whose job it is to watch over the Dragon. There's still a lot we don't know about the specifics of it all. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6662713.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6662713.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe)
 Mitranekh the Omniscient wrote:
I'm not sure how to tackle this, but I've heard that there was a rumour that the Void Dragon C'tan might be the Omnissiah, only the AdMech don't have a clue they're worshipping a star god and all that. I can't remember the ins and outs, but I just wondered if this ever came up in the fluff anywhere??

It most certainly did, in the previous Necron Codex.

There's a scene where Abaddon interrogates a Daemon which says that there is "a new form" of death on Mars, and he laughs when the Daemon reveals what is there. The implication is that the Void Dragon is very much there, likely whole, slumbering on Mars until some C'Tan loyalist Necrons can wake him up fully. There's other sections about it as well with tech-adepts rejecting the teachings of the AdMech due to finding out 'the truth'.

I've written some pretty detailed headcanon fluff about exactly this subject and how the battle of Necrons under Szarekh versus the C'Tan may actually been more of a '3rd war of secession' with the knowledge of this lost to all but the Silent King & Triarch Praetorians (who have tried to hunt down the remaining C'Tan loyalists for the 60 million years they've been active). Even come up with a special character that was made the Void Dragon's personal Nemesor... think Arkhan the Black in WHFB crossed with Transformers and you have the general idea. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6662736.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6662736.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe) WD 384, we're given a stat line for a shard of pretty much every living C'tan, Void Dragon included.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6662749.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6662749.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe)
jareddm wrote:
Actually, we know for a fact that it's not whole because in WD 384, we're given a stat line for a shard of pretty much every living C'tan, Void Dragon included.

This is what I get for not buying WDs for years.

Oh well, my dude is going to be one pissed off guy when he finds that out. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6662759.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6662759.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe)
 Tennants Lager wrote:
jareddm wrote:
Actually, we know for a fact that it's not whole because in WD 384, we're given a stat line for a shard of pretty much every living C'tan, Void Dragon included.

This is what I get for not buying WDs for years.

Oh well, my dude is going to be one pissed off guy when he finds that out.


Why? What's the big deal about going from full c'tan to c'tan shard? You're going from infinite power to a piece of infinite power. It's not like there was some scale of power among nightmarish creatures.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6662782.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6662782.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe)
jareddm wrote:
 Tennants Lager wrote:
jareddm wrote:
Actually, we know for a fact that it's not whole because in WD 384, we're given a stat line for a shard of pretty much every living C'tan, Void Dragon included.

This is what I get for not buying WDs for years.

Oh well, my dude is going to be one pissed off guy when he finds that out.


Why? What's the big deal about going from full c'tan to c'tan shard? You're going from infinite power to a piece of infinite power. It's not like there was some scale of power among nightmarish creatures.

Well descening into said headcanon fluff a bit...

Spoiler:
Said dude is obsessed with recombining all of the shards of the entire pantheon, but thought uniquely that the VD escaped whole & intact (though he knew not to where until the 41st Millennium) after a final distraction battle where he VERY nearly killed Szarekh, supercharged as he was through some of the VD's power.


So given this development I bet if Necrons could swear I bet he'd be doing it now haha... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6662795.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6662795.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe)
Kinda puts things into perspective. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6663571.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6663571.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe)
 Sasori wrote:
It actually shows how powerful the C'tan really were, when a starved shard of the Void Dragon nearly killed the emperor.

Kinda puts things into perspective.


Necrons and everything on a whole are hilariously overpowered. Like Chaos, they look like they came straight out of Lovecraft or Doctor Who, given their insane levels of power. feth, a didn't a single non-capital Necron Ship tank/dodge all of Terra's defenses as it made a trench run for Mars?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6663585.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6663585.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe)
A pair of Shroud-class Cruisers - stealth cruisers, like the Normandy SR-2 on steroids - came out of FTL near Titan and advanced at 1LS towards Mars. One of them was destroyed on the way in by Mars's orbital defences, the other landed but was destroyed by AdMech ground forces.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6663837.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6663837.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe)
 Furyou Miko wrote:
Not quite.

A pair of Shroud-class Cruisers - stealth cruisers, like the Normandy SR-2 on steroids - came out of FTL near Titan and advanced at 1LS towards Mars. One of them was destroyed on the way in by Mars's orbital defences, the other landed but was destroyed by AdMech ground forces.

I thought it was about 5 of them, but yeah it was definitely Shrouds. Tied this little gem into the above as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6664631.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6664631.page GMT Re:The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6665731.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6665731.page GMT Re:The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe) prevent worshipping the Void Dragon, thus ensuring it couldn't regain it's strength.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6667205.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6667205.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6667424.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6667424.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe)
Simples. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6667591.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6667591.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe) AD.

The artwork of Saint George and the Dragon is inspired by this historic battle.

The Omnissiah is viewed as the mortal representation of the Machine God. Sort of like a Robo-Jesus to the Tech-God.

So in 40k, it is likely that the Omnissiah really is the Emperor. The Machine God, though, that's very likely the C'Tan.

Worshipping a C'Tan doesn't do anything for it, though. These things exist only in the realm of physical reality, and cannot interact with or enter the Warp. They are, in a sense, diametric opposites of the Chaos Gods. As such, they don't feed off of emotional energy or anything like that, they just consume energy of a physical sort, like feeding on the radiation emitted by stars. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6667760.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6667760.page GMT Re:The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6667885.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6667885.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe)
 Sasori wrote:
It actually shows how powerful the C'tan really were, when a starved shard of the Void Dragon nearly killed the emperor.

Kinda puts things into perspective.


What? The Big E wrecked the void dragon in pre-medi eval gear, then stuck him in a room on Mars.

The Emperor really was the most OP of OP.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6684698.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6684698.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe)
 Imperator_Class wrote:
 Sasori wrote:
It actually shows how powerful the C'tan really were, when a starved shard of the Void Dragon nearly killed the emperor.

Kinda puts things into perspective.


What? The Big E wrecked the void dragon in pre-medi eval gear, then stuck him in a room on Mars.

The Emperor really was the most OP of OP.


He beat a Shard Of the Void Dragon, which is a fraction of a Fraction of the Void Dragons power. The Current fluff has the C'tan doing things that the emperor wishes he could do.

He didn't "Wreck" it either. he BARELY won, only be discovering a small chink in the Shards armor. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6684796.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6684796.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe)
Think about that for a moment.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6685038.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6685038.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe)
His armour may have also been covered in psychic powered wards to make it extra shiny. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6685179.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6685179.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe) 40K, is how humanity translated the Emperor defeating the Void Dragon) is a 3rd/4th Century AD figure.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6685219.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6685219.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe)




Or he had used some prior knowledge or precognition skills to determine a specific weakness or advantage he needed to complete his "task" against the Void Dragon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6685885.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6685885.page GMT Re:The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe)
 Lord-Captain Cepinari wrote:
The Omnissiah and the Machine-God are the same thing. Supposedly the Emperor was the living manifestation of the Machine-God, but this is mostly just propaganda to keep the Eclessiarchy from declaring the AdMechs heretics and trying to kill them all.


It might not be entirely propaganda. Even ignoring that he purposefully seeded the Cult of the Omnisiah himself, Emps was a very VERY knowledgeable scientist who preached that man-kind was supposed to follow the idea of logic and science instead of worship. This is something you'd actually expect a god of knowledge and machinery to preach.

Of course, IMHO, the fact that Emps is the one who created (in a way) the cult of the Omnisiah in the first place means he really could be equated to the Omnisiah, albeit not exactly as most Ad Mech would envision it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6685979.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6685979.page GMT Re:The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe) TO Mars, if he defeated it during the dark ages.........

Really strong catapult?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6686358.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6686358.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe)
It was a Horse Made out of Solid Diamonds.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6686396.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6686396.page GMT Re:The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6686403.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6686403.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe)
I bet you they had better technology than what "historical"... "evidence" would lead us to believe. At least the people holding the reigns of control over the Earth's populace had access to better tech. The Emperor would be one of these people.

The time before the medieval dark ages on our earth, the time before the great flood, the FIRST EVER civilization on earth - I bet THOSE guys had wicked tech, eldar type tech. The Emperor probably managed to unearth this past, and it helped him sway the local groveling sub human population (the dirt farmers), as well as deal with high tech threats like the shard of a shard of C'Tan.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6686405.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6686405.page GMT The AdMech and the Void Dragon (maybe) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6688375.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/586538/6688375.page GMT