<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Who was Be'Lakor?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Who was Be'Lakor? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689105.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689105.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor? 40k (although considering that the two share the same warp, I'd actually speculate that the reason no one in 40k knows what he was is because he's a human from Fantasy. Kinda hard to track down someone's origins when they're from what's possibly another dimension or alternate universe or something)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689108.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689108.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor? 40k as far as I know. Unless the whf version of his fluff is the same?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689116.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689116.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
That begs another question: Are all Daemon Princes former humans? I don't see why xenos can't ascend to daemonhood.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689119.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689119.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
TiamatRoar wrote:
If I recall correctly, he was a human in Warhammer Fantasy and no one's sure what he was before ascension in 40k (although considering that the two share the same warp, I'd actually speculate that the reason no one in 40k knows what he was is because he's a human from Fantasy. Kinda hard to track down someone's origins when they're from what's possibly another dimension or alternate universe or something)
They don't share the same Warp, as evidenced by the difference in the birth of Slaanesh.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689126.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689126.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689227.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689227.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689253.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689253.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689275.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689275.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
Iron_Captain wrote:
TiamatRoar wrote:
If I recall correctly, he was a human in Warhammer Fantasy and no one's sure what he was before ascension in 40k (although considering that the two share the same warp, I'd actually speculate that the reason no one in 40k knows what he was is because he's a human from Fantasy. Kinda hard to track down someone's origins when they're from what's possibly another dimension or alternate universe or something)
They don't share the same Warp, as evidenced by the difference in the birth of Slaanesh.

But if they're two separate universes, 40k COULD take place BEFORE WHFB. Of course, this would frag up the origin of Be'Lakor in WHFB, but who the Warp cares.
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 Iron_Captain wrote:
TiamatRoar wrote:
If I recall correctly, he was a human in Warhammer Fantasy and no one's sure what he was before ascension in 40k (although considering that the two share the same warp, I'd actually speculate that the reason no one in 40k knows what he was is because he's a human from Fantasy. Kinda hard to track down someone's origins when they're from what's possibly another dimension or alternate universe or something)
They don't share the same Warp, as evidenced by the difference in the birth of Slaanesh.


Time and place, cause and effect, have no meaning in the warp. Slaanesh has always existed and always ever was, with and without his birth from the Eldar. Therefore it is wholly possible for the Slaanesh of Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40k to be the same despite 40k coming about from the Eldar.

...at any rate, it's CONFIRMED they're the same warp. At least if BL is canon. Draigo ends up in the Warhammer Fantasy universe via the warp in one of his stories.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689349.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689349.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
TiamatRoar wrote:
At least if BL is canon.


There's no such thing as canon in 40K.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689445.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689445.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
 Platuan4th wrote:
TiamatRoar wrote:
At least if BL is canon.


There's no such thing as canon in 40K.


It's canon for a given definition of canon. Despite what Aaron says, it's VERY clear that every novel, codex, and munitorium book as well as everything else at least tries to maintain SOME consistency. There's a retcon here and there and some slight inconsistencies that can't be helped when something is managed by so many different authors, but those are actually fewer and farer between than most people claim.

Quite frankly, I find bringing up "there is no canon" in a forum called "40k background" to be a rather asinine thing to do. If we were to assume "there is no canon" in its most extreme case, then this forum shouldn't even exist. Therefore, bringing up the subject here is just pointless.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689491.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689491.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
 Platuan4th wrote:
TiamatRoar wrote:
At least if BL is canon.


There's no such thing as canon in 40K.


This.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689497.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689497.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
 Darth Bob wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
TiamatRoar wrote:
At least if BL is canon.


There's no such thing as canon in 40K.


This.


Why are you even in a forum called "40k background" if there is no canon? This place is not for you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689498.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689498.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689502.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689502.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
TiamatRoar wrote:
 Darth Bob wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
TiamatRoar wrote:
At least if BL is canon.


There's no such thing as canon in 40K.


This.


Why are you even in a forum called "40k background" if there is no canon? This place is not for you.


Well, first off, I'm in the 40k Background forum because I enjoy the 40k background and I can go on whatever section of this site I care to go about. Furthermore, you are not in any position to tell me what is and what is not a place for me. Now, rude commentary aside, canon doesn't exist in 40k in the sense that the very nature of the universe is so grandiose that trying to pinpoint 100% specificity on any topic is impossible. It's like a historian trying to pinpoint 40,000 years of galactic history.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689510.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689510.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
 Darth Bob wrote:
TiamatRoar wrote:
 Darth Bob wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
TiamatRoar wrote:
At least if BL is canon.


There's no such thing as canon in 40K.


This.


Why are you even in a forum called "40k background" if there is no canon? This place is not for you.


Well, first off, I'm in the 40k Background forum because I enjoy the 40k background and I can go on whatever section of this site I care to go about. Furthermore, you are not in any position to tell me what is and what is not a place for me. Now, rude commentary aside, canon doesn't exist in 40k in the sense that the very nature of the universe is so grandiose that trying to pinpoint 100% specificity on any topic is impossible. It's like a historian trying to pinpoint 40,000 years of galactic history.


Canon doesn't have to be pinpointed 100%. You're just spewing semantic nonsense just for the sake of trolling and contributing nothing to the thread topic when you say "there is no canon". ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689518.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689518.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
TiamatRoar wrote:


Canon doesn't have to be pinpointed 100%. You're just spewing semantic nonsense just for the sake of trolling and contributing nothing to the thread topic when you say "there is no canon".


Well, actually, canon by definition is genuine and authentic information on a specific topic, theme, or setting. Which means that its origins are pinpointed and definitive. As for the second part of your comment, the only person I see trolling in this thread is you; considering you're the one spewing vitriol and accusatory remarks.

But I'm going to stop feeding you so this thread doesn't go too far off-topic. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689538.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689538.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
 Darth Bob wrote:
TiamatRoar wrote:


Canon doesn't have to be pinpointed 100%. You're just spewing semantic nonsense just for the sake of trolling and contributing nothing to the thread topic when you say "there is no canon".


Well, actually, canon by definition is genuine and authentic information on a specific topic, theme, or setting. Which means that its origins are pinpointed and definitive. As for the second part of your comment, the only person I see trolling in this thread is you; considering you're the one spewing vitriol and accusatory remarks.

But I'm going to stop feeding you so this thread doesn't go too far off-topic.


Actually, it's definitions include "a sanctioned or accepted group or body of related works" and "a criterion or standard of judgment", neither of which has to be exact. The vast majority of Warhammer 40k material written by Black Library or the studio or Forge World tends to be "accepted" by the other bodies. It is only on rare situations where various novels or codexes or whatever else completely disregards and rejects others (at least, for a universe written by so many different authors)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689550.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689550.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
 Veteran of The Long War wrote:
He could be an Old One.


Anyways, back to the topic, this is what I was thinking as well. However, I'm not that well versed on what the Old Ones actually are so I didn't know if this was possible.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689636.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689636.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
We don't even know anything about their appearance.

All we know is that they are old, very psychically powerful, liked to make new species, very advanced, and incredibly dead.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689721.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689721.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
 herpguy wrote:
I know nothing about Fantasy but that makes sense. I would like them to be the same universe but I doubt the designers want that to happen.

That begs another question: Are all Daemon Princes former humans? I don't see why xenos can't ascend to daemonhood.


There's a couple of rumors that GW is thinking about setting up rules and missions where WHFB and 40k armies fight against each other this summer.

It sounds stupid, I know but then GW doesn't make sound decisions these days.

The speculation I heard was due to WHFB not doing so well in sales and their trying to give it a boost. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689724.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689724.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor? WHFB to make him an auto-include in every army to sell tons of Draigo models.


Sarcasm aside, I've heard vague things about that tie-in too. With the way things are going it's sad to admit but I can see it happening.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689767.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
Johnnytorrance wrote:
 herpguy wrote:
I know nothing about Fantasy but that makes sense. I would like them to be the same universe but I doubt the designers want that to happen.

That begs another question: Are all Daemon Princes former humans? I don't see why xenos can't ascend to daemonhood.


There's a couple of rumors that GW is thinking about setting up rules and missions where WHFB and 40k armies fight against each other this summer.

It sounds stupid, I know but then GW doesn't make sound decisions these days.

The speculation I heard was due to WHFB not doing so well in sales and their trying to give it a boost.

How are you going to balance that without going "lolgame mechanics"?

A squad of Khorne Berserker Marines would probably chop their way through most armies in FB. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6689842.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor? 40k and Fanasy get mixed, I will be pretty disappointed. Theyre very different, not necessarily in game play but in fluff as well. And like Kain said, Im pretty sure most 40k units would feth up a WHFB army. We're talking Bolter, Chainsword and Power Armour against some steel swords, arrows and light armour. Not exactly a fair fight.
As for Belakor hes an interesting one. He could be and Eldar (although belakor doesnt sound like an eldar name), or potentially and Old One, a Necrontyr, or another race entirely]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6690133.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6690133.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6690727.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6690727.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
HoskuneAstetic wrote:
Hitler.


Lol

On a more serious note, I'm leaning towards Eldar or an Old One. If there was more fluff for him in 40k and that fluff indicated a great and ancient hatred for the Necrons, I'd be willing to bet my first born that Be'lakor is an Old One. Or a shadow of one.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6690774.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6690774.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor? 40k back in 2nd from what I can remember. But then both systems shared the same stat lines and basic rules (ie save modifiers etc) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6690783.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6690783.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
So part of my post was serious and the other for the lulz.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6690787.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6690787.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor? BL book with him in it is in order to at least give us a hint.
The only defining trait we see is that he unequivocally hates anybody who receives any blessing from ANY chaos god. He pretends to be Abaddon's friend but secretly goes around orchestrating events to kill his Warlords. He also likes to raise up civilizations to worship him and then gets rid of him when they crumble.

I think that would be badass if he were an Eldar DP, but I think he may be something even older. I just have no idea if an Old One can become a DP.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6690794.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6690794.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
 King Pariah wrote:


Lol

On a more serious note, I'm leaning towards Eldar or an Old One. If there was more fluff for him in 40k and that fluff indicated a great and ancient hatred for the Necrons, I'd be willing to bet my first born that Be'lakor is an Old One. Or a shadow of one.

Xenology says that only one Old One survived the Necrons' wrath in the war in heaven, only to be killed by Slaanesh and then torn apart to form the Umbra.

The time of the old ones ended long before Chaos took shape in any recognizable format. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6692763.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6692763.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
 herpguy wrote:
So Be'Lakor has some very interesting fluff. The one thing I wonder is: Who was he as a mortal? His fluff says he has been here since the beginning of time, but he is a Daemon Prince, not a Greater Daemon, so he was mortal at some point. Was he a random xenos race, or something else? I'd like to hear everybody's theories.


Be'Lakor possessed a man named Volkmar the Grim waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the day. Here's a page on who he was as a human.

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Volkmar_the_Grim]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6693263.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6693263.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6693455.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6693455.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?

A theory I heard from someone was that he might be Cain from the story of Cain and Abel. I'm not so sure about it, but it has some "cool factor" thematically. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6693620.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6693620.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
 Iron_Captain wrote:
They don't share the same Warp, as evidenced by the difference in the birth of Slaanesh.


What difference? The Liber Chaotica details the birth of Slaanesh in the fantasy universe and drops Eldar by name.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6693756.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6693756.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
 changerofways wrote:
 herpguy wrote:
So Be'Lakor has some very interesting fluff. The one thing I wonder is: Who was he as a mortal? His fluff says he has been here since the beginning of time, but he is a Daemon Prince, not a Greater Daemon, so he was mortal at some point. Was he a random xenos race, or something else? I'd like to hear everybody's theories.


Be'Lakor possessed a man named Volkmar the Grim waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the day. Here's a page on who he was as a human.

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Volkmar_the_Grim


He didn't posses Volkmar, he resurrected him from the dead. It also didn't happen way back, it was very recent in the Fantasy Time line(so recent that it hasn't happened yet in 8th due to the rewind on Storm of Chaos).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6694020.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6694020.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
 Kain wrote:
 King Pariah wrote:


Lol

On a more serious note, I'm leaning towards Eldar or an Old One. If there was more fluff for him in 40k and that fluff indicated a great and ancient hatred for the Necrons, I'd be willing to bet my first born that Be'lakor is an Old One. Or a shadow of one.

Xenology says that only one Old One survived the Necrons' wrath in the war in heaven, only to be killed by Slaanesh and then torn apart to form the Umbra.

The time of the old ones ended long before Chaos took shape in any recognizable format.


I doubt very much that he was an old one. The old ones were primarily killed by the enslavers, not the necrons. But the presence of the enslavers in the warp does predate the Gods of Chaos. It is insinuated that some old ones may be alive, either in the Ghoul Stars, or in dimensions beyond, but they are certainly not playing around in the galaxy in a major way any longer, unless you subscribe to the old ones theory concerning the Tau.

Given the incredible age and power of the old ones, it seems unlikely that they would be seduced by Chaos. It seems most likely to me that he is an Eldar, as they long predate the existence of man, and the other two ancient races, Orks and Necrons, don't have any business with Chaos gods. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6694319.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6694319.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
 Furyou Miko wrote:
 Iron_Captain wrote:
They don't share the same Warp, as evidenced by the difference in the birth of Slaanesh.


What difference? The Liber Chaotica details the birth of Slaanesh in the fantasy universe and drops Eldar by name.


...for real? That's actually really interesting. Can you give more details?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6694505.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6694505.page GMT Who was Be'Lakor?
 Silverthorne wrote:
 Kain wrote:
 King Pariah wrote:


Lol

On a more serious note, I'm leaning towards Eldar or an Old One. If there was more fluff for him in 40k and that fluff indicated a great and ancient hatred for the Necrons, I'd be willing to bet my first born that Be'lakor is an Old One. Or a shadow of one.

Xenology says that only one Old One survived the Necrons' wrath in the war in heaven, only to be killed by Slaanesh and then torn apart to form the Umbra.

The time of the old ones ended long before Chaos took shape in any recognizable format.


I doubt very much that he was an old one. The old ones were primarily killed by the enslavers, not the necrons. But the presence of the enslavers in the warp does predate the Gods of Chaos. It is insinuated that some old ones may be alive, either in the Ghoul Stars, or in dimensions beyond, but they are certainly not playing around in the galaxy in a major way any longer, unless you subscribe to the old ones theory concerning the Tau.

Given the incredible age and power of the old ones, it seems unlikely that they would be seduced by Chaos. It seems most likely to me that he is an Eldar, as they long predate the existence of man, and the other two ancient races, Orks and Necrons, don't have any business with Chaos gods.

The Enslaver Plague was retconned in the new Necron codex.

The Necrons killed the Old Ones fair and square now.

No need for the old one's war effort to bite them in the ass, the Necrons just plain old outfought them now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6694541.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587925/6694541.page GMT