<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "1999+1 Upcoming tournament. Marines to beat Taudar/Knights"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 1999+1 Upcoming tournament. Marines to beat Taudar/Knights MSU 5 man squads, and having to live through D attacks + stomps it was no longer efficient.


WS primary
Khan on moondrakkken -150
Command squad 4 melta, apothecary, bikes - 190

Troop -
5 bikes, 2 grav - 135
5 bikes, 2 grav - 135
5 bikes, 2 grav - 135
5 bikes, 2 grav - 135
5 bikes 2 grav - 135


Imperial fists allies
Librarian (psychic shriek) - 65
Command squad, 5 melta drop pod - 185


Troop
5 scouts, camo cloaks, 3 snipers - 68

Heavy
8 devastators 4 lascannons - 192

Inquisitor
Coteaz - 100

Knight Detatchment
Knight Paladin - 375



The basic strategy is have 2 melta pod come down and surround a knight to avoid its shield. Coteaz joins the devs, and 4 twin linked tank hunter lascannons help as well.

25 scouting bikes and a Knight press forward with a volley of ap2 and SD. The concussive rule allows the Knight to assault MCs with impunity. 6 scoring units should be good for obj games as well.

Thoughts? Any other suggestions on how SM can beat Taudar and 4-5 Knight lists with a TAC build?

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6689385.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6689385.page GMT 1999+1 Upcoming tournament. Marines to beat Taudar/Knights 40k in which the above list would be legal. How exactly does one take two allied detachments? Is this allowed by the rule book? I mean it could just be the way I read it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6689471.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6689471.page GMT Re:1999+1 Upcoming tournament. Marines to beat Taudar/Knights http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6689477.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6689477.page GMT 1999+1 Upcoming tournament. Marines to beat Taudar/Knights ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6689483.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6689483.page GMT Re:1999+1 Upcoming tournament. Marines to beat Taudar/Knights GW currently stands the list is legal. This doesn't even use dataslates which add on further detachments.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6689486.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6689486.page GMT 1999+1 Upcoming tournament. Marines to beat Taudar/Knights http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6689513.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6689513.page GMT 1999+1 Upcoming tournament. Marines to beat Taudar/Knights
 OzTeG8ndPwRfl wrote:
Truely? If so I find that baffling. Why do they get to cheat?


Didn't you know??? This is Tablehammer-Who-Needs-an-FOC 40K!

For your amusement a legal list might look something like this nowadays:

PRIMARY: Ultramarines

Tigurius
2x 5 man scouts
Stormraven

ALLIED: Tau Empire

Buffmander
10x Kroot
Riptide
3x Broadsides

INQUISITION DETACHMENT:

Coteaz
3x Henchmen

KNIGHT DETACHMENT:

Knight Paladin

LORD OF WAR:

Warhound Titan

FORTIFICATION:

Aquila Strongpoint

And that's not even double FOC. . .]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6689548.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6689548.page GMT 1999+1 Upcoming tournament. Marines to beat Taudar/Knights http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6689582.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6689582.page GMT 1999+1 Upcoming tournament. Marines to beat Taudar/Knights
Try for bottom of turn, and just try to hide your MSU bikes until that last turn. Also, I don't think it's worth it to throw away multiple pods of units turn 1 to try and surround a knight... (Sternguard for instance) even if you do take out 1 at the start, you're gonna give up almost the same or double the points when they get stomped next turn...

I think the best way to kill them is long-range boosted devs or air units. I like Coteaz on lascannon devs for some prescience. Also, a Knight Errant would better suit you, as they provide pretty good anti-Knight weaponry too. Perhaps put khan's command squad on bikes with melta, try dropping the other command squad in pod for a dev squad?

Just some thoughts...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6690281.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6690281.page GMT Re:1999+1 Upcoming tournament. Marines to beat Taudar/Knights
I normally run two command squad on bikes w/ 4 grav and apothecary woth Khan and a Captain w/ powerfist but they just performed so poorly against knights I wanted to try the melta, but switching from grav to melta and staying on bike w can be just as good I agree.

I have a huge Tau army I could ally with but I am trying to beat the top lists using marines. Should I even include the Knight? I was thinking the rapid fire battle cannon against regular lists would be strong and the drop pods can killtheir anti tank and let the Knight roam unimpeded.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6691001.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6691001.page GMT 1999+1 Upcoming tournament. Marines to beat Taudar/Knights
Personally, I'd take a tooled up Chapter Master instead of two of the Bike squads, but with Knights and all that running around, you might be better off as it is now. Worth thinking about, though. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6691027.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6691027.page GMT 1999+1 Upcoming tournament. Marines to beat Taudar/Knights FMCs, but your bikes' bolters are just as good, if not better.

I think a melta command squad can still get work done, but definitely not as efficiently as a grav squad can against most targets; it's a tough call.

The big problem I foresee is that a list geared to kill knights will be easily out-maneuvered by eldar... so finding a list to take both will be very tricky. Be careful you don't end up in a situation where you build a "jack of all trades" list because those types of lists that can't do any 1 thing really well, but do a lot of things just ok... often don't last.

You have the right idea, and use a set of Chapter Tactics like White Scars where you can use Outflank and Scout to get close to Tau, but stay far from the Knights.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6691069.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6691069.page GMT Re:1999+1 Upcoming tournament. Marines to beat Taudar/Knights
Took the advice and dropped some of pods to have less reliance on suicide squads who would just die in a str or s:8/ap3 explosion. Added back a command squad on bikes and switched them to melta.




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The knight is mainly there to duel MCs and be a threat against most "fair" lists. There is a mono khorne player who brings 5 FMCs, a couple tyranid players, plus the regular use of Riptides/Wraithknights.

On the one hand, I don't want to totally tailor my list to Knights because only two players use them, but at the same time if I plan on winning first place I will eventually play them (judging by their dominating performance last tournament).

Perhaps I drop some of the anti-tank, and can go back to bikes spam with Khan and captain on bike, and just turbo boost around the board with 3+ jink save, and hop on all the objectives at the end of the game.

I would like to table them and give them a taste of their own medicine, but stealing a win at the last moment can be satisfactory as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6691081.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/587946/6691081.page GMT