flodihn wrote:
My thoughts:

I like what you suggest with Asmodai, taking veteran squads as troops would probably be more fluff that competitive, but I see nothing wrong with that.

I think lowering HB to 8 pts is good, it should also apply to MS and flakk upgrade should be reduced (across the board for all armies).

The nephelim jet fighter would still be vastly over priced at 165 points.

Comparing to a IG vendetta, has BS3 but 3 twin-linked LC (yes thrice the weapon power) for merely 110 points (i think) and of top of that, is a 10 man transport!!! I think that flyer is greatly under-priced.
Comparing to the vanilla SM stormtalon gunship is 110 without upgrades.

So here is what I think the Nephilim should be like:
Cost: 135 points
2 twin-linked LC
May add one of the following:
- 6 Blacksword missiles, str 8 ap 3..........................15 pts
- 4 Skyespear missiles, str 7, savant lock, ap 2.... 15 pts
- Avenger megabolter...................................................10 pts

This makes it possible to kit out your flyer for expert anti-tank, anti-flier or anti-infantry, or just skip the upgrades for a balanced anti-flier/tank duty.

 ionusx wrote:

in the New ig codex a vendetta is 170 now and it only carries six. So it's actually a lot more reasonable than you think. Also the nephilim has a free tl hb.

flodihn wrote:

 ionusx wrote:

in the New ig codex a vendetta is 170 now and it only carries six. So it's actually a lot more reasonable than you think. Also the nephilim has a free tl hb.

Is it good GW understood how OP that was and are about to fix it (and hopefully they will fix the rest of the whole flier situation).

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Not to mention the problem of giving everyone up and Ignores Cover (someone didn't learn their lesson from Markerlights) in the new Orders.

Missile launchers with flakk are expensive because they're at least somewhat effective against absolutely every target in the game, if you want to drop the price I'd suggest swapping Flakk for one of the existing profiles instead of taking it on top of the other two. Regardless of what else you do to the Nephilim the mega-bolter really needs to be S7 for it to be an effective air-to-air vehicle.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Tac Marines with heavy bolters have +1BS over Scouts, their guns should be more expensive. As for the Nephilim all it really needs is S7 on the mega-bolter, you do that and it's a fine plane.

 ionusx wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Not to mention the problem of giving everyone up and Ignores Cover (someone didn't learn their lesson from Markerlights) in the new Orders.

Missile launchers with flakk are expensive because they're at least somewhat effective against absolutely every target in the game, if you want to drop the price I'd suggest swapping Flakk for one of the existing profiles instead of taking it on top of the other two. Regardless of what else you do to the Nephilim the mega-bolter really needs to be S7 for it to be an effective air-to-air vehicle.

I'm trying to also add needs in this errata. Codec er's aren't always buffs and I felt this took out a silly option. On a unit that wouldn't probably ever get flakk missles unless you were trying to stuff points into an army list over 1250. Right now da is one of their two introductory armies. And so nobody is super expective for da players to be seasoned players. On top of that their scouts.. Their flimsy back liners and points fillers. If you want my opinion you would be stupid giving flakk missles to anyone that wasn't a devestator or a tactical marine.

Finally the nephilim is a better air to ground target fluff wise. And it only goes air to air if it's needed. Making the blackstorm missles a tiny pieplate let's you break up blobs and units trying to create a new defensive position if they've been broken. The avenger is ment to assist with that too. They tl lc is ment to assist the missile in popping light tanks.

Ill dwell on it more but I think it's fine as is

 ionusx wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Not to mention the problem of giving everyone up and Ignores Cover (someone didn't learn their lesson from Markerlights) in the new Orders.

Missile launchers with flakk are expensive because they're at least somewhat effective against absolutely every target in the game, if you want to drop the price I'd suggest swapping Flakk for one of the existing profiles instead of taking it on top of the other two. Regardless of what else you do to the Nephilim the mega-bolter really needs to be S7 for it to be an effective air-to-air vehicle.

I'm trying to also add needs in this errata. Codec er's aren't always buffs and I felt this took out a silly option. On a unit that wouldn't probably ever get flakk missles unless you were trying to stuff points into an army list over 1250. Right now da is one of their two introductory armies. And so nobody is super expective for da players to be seasoned players. On top of that their scouts.. Their flimsy back liners and points fillers. If you want my opinion you would be stupid giving flakk missles to anyone that wasn't a devestator or a tactical marine.

Finally the nephilim is a better air to ground target fluff wise. And it only goes air to air if it's needed. Making the blackstorm missles a tiny pieplate let's you break up blobs and units trying to create a new defensive position if they've been broken. The avenger is ment to assist with that too. They tl lc is ment to assist the missile in popping light tanks.

Ill dwell on it more but I think it's fine as is