goblinking201 wrote:
Now, this has probably been done before, but my seach bar is not working, so.....

Any fellow Space Wolves players out their that want to share their hopes and dreams for the new codex, mainly balancing things though.

One thing I want is WG being able to join skyclaws and biker squads.

Martel732 wrote:
There's never enough opportunities to call for the nerfing of grey hunters.

 Mywik wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
There's never enough opportunities to call for the nerfing of grey hunters.

Move wolfscouts to the troops slot and you can do with GH whatever you want. Unfortunately that would be very unfluffly :(

Martel732 wrote:

 Mywik wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
There's never enough opportunities to call for the nerfing of grey hunters.

Move wolfscouts to the troops slot and you can do with GH whatever you want. Unfortunately that would be very unfluffly :(

Don't care about fluff. I care about grey hunters being invincible in HTH. Which, for their points and role, pretty much are.

Martel732 wrote:
Nope. I'd much rather that all SW players admit that Grey Hunters are utter BS compared to other troops in the game and then all the arguments would stop. At least about Grey Hunters.

 Njal Stormpuppy wrote:

 goblinking201 wrote:
Now, this has probably been done before, but my seach bar is not working, so.....

Any fellow Space Wolves players out their that want to share their hopes and dreams for the new codex, mainly balancing things though.

One thing I want is WG being able to join skyclaws and biker squads.

Gimme the russ back please, thats something we used to have.
I would like it back and maybe a wulfen model too

 goblinking201 wrote:

 Njal Stormpuppy wrote:

 goblinking201 wrote:
Now, this has probably been done before, but my seach bar is not working, so.....

Any fellow Space Wolves players out their that want to share their hopes and dreams for the new codex, mainly balancing things though.

One thing I want is WG being able to join skyclaws and biker squads.

Gimme the russ back please, thats something we used to have.
I would like it back and maybe a wulfen model too

Yeah, I would kill for a Wulfun model

Martel732 wrote:
There's never enough opportunities to call for the nerfing of grey hunters.

Ragnar69 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
There's never enough opportunities to call for the nerfing of grey hunters.

Wow, I really have been expecting you to pop into this thread but you have been way faster than expected. But I will not discuss GHs with you anymore and I advise everyone else not to do it also.

We probably don't get the SM fliers, if we would get them it would have happened in the original White Dwarf or in Death from the Skies. It's more likely we get one of our own, probably a transport (My money is on Storm Wolf).
Stalker/Hunter are unlikely too.
I really don't know what other kits they could releases. Everything in the current dex has relative new platic models already. Maybe Wulfen or something completly new. I can't imagine standard Centuions and certainly no gravguns, but some kind of AA Centurions could be possible if we don't get the Stalker/Hunter.

All kinds of Claws hopefully get cheaper.

Points cost will be homogenised with Marines.

Psychic powers will go away, maybe Njal will keep Stormcaller. Runic weapons prolly change to a combined Force Weapon/Psychic Hood.

Hopefully no giant wolf/werewolf MC or anything with 4 legs.

They could do something with Dreadnoughts as Space Wolves as own way more than other chapters.

Basic GHs should stay, just adjust special weapon costs and some nerf to the banner. Maybe make it some kind of relic: each HQ can buy one and give it to a GH squad. If they change the basic loadout again (like in 3rd where a GH could have either pistol/ccw, bolter/ccw or pistol/bolter/ccw) I will go crazy.

LFs are fine once the pay the same as vanillas for their weapons.

Martel732 wrote:

 Mywik wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
There's never enough opportunities to call for the nerfing of grey hunters.

Move wolfscouts to the troops slot and you can do with GH whatever you want. Unfortunately that would be very unfluffly :(

Don't care about fluff. I care about grey hunters being invincible in HTH. Which, for their points and role, pretty much are.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Mywik wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
There's never enough opportunities to call for the nerfing of grey hunters.

Move wolfscouts to the troops slot and you can do with GH whatever you want. Unfortunately that would be very unfluffly :(

Don't care about fluff. I care about grey hunters being invincible in HTH. Which, for their points and role, pretty much are.

Wait, why do you care? They'll just be shot up before things get into HTH and so it doesn't matter.

You know, just like the ATSKNF you constantly tout as being useless but you don't want to see nerfed.

Martel732 wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Mywik wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
There's never enough opportunities to call for the nerfing of grey hunters.

Move wolfscouts to the troops slot and you can do with GH whatever you want. Unfortunately that would be very unfluffly :(

Don't care about fluff. I care about grey hunters being invincible in HTH. Which, for their points and role, pretty much are.

Wait, why do you care? They'll just be shot up before things get into HTH and so it doesn't matter.

You know, just like the ATSKNF you constantly tout as being useless but you don't want to see nerfed.

Actually, I don't care if ATSKNF is removed from the game. It won't change outcomes. And only very specific meq lists have the firepower to keep the SW from taking their lunch money. The rest are just victims. And BA are not one of those lists, nor are the IH I play, because I don't own centurions.

Martel732 wrote:
Against lists that have no resources allocated to HTH, that's true. But marines are forced to buy into assault to some extent.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Against lists that have no resources allocated to HTH, that's true. But marines are forced to buy into assault to some extent.

No they aren't, top SM lists are based around gravstars.

Lists aren't based around buying into assault, it's based on how to deal with deathstars (deathtrap in HTH for all MEQ), Wave Serpent spam (Not even getting close to HTH, not even with the jetbikes), Riptides (Also not getting into HTH).

MEQ lists for CSM are based around cultists and other things, or are just secondary to demon lists.

SW isn't even a top used army anymore because of how pathetic it is at dealing with current meta.

So once again, why does their 'invincible' HTH skills matter.

 ionusx wrote:


Bong I got it. A unit called a skywatcher, this is essentially a dreadnaught that deepstrikes onto the field and doesn't move. He is an aaa battery from hell with two hull points and the armor stats of a dread. He has limitless range on his flakk guns but requires total los to shoot at a flyer (so no buildings in his way). He can also pop smoke in an aoe bubble around himself to shield brothers defending him and make him harder to neutralize with gunfire. He can both shoot and smoke pop in the same turn as he doesn't move.

Imagine being in a fighter seeing this thing if you will. From out of nowhere a lightning bolt strikes the ground and a large metal box appears. It shrouds itself in thick gray smoke, suddenly your under a barrage of white flakk gun tracers and your wingman is ripped a part from this stationary cloud of doom. AND YOUR NEXT!

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Against lists that have no resources allocated to HTH, that's true. But marines are forced to buy into assault to some extent.

No they aren't, top SM lists are based around gravstars.

Lists aren't based around buying into assault, it's based on how to deal with deathstars (deathtrap in HTH for all MEQ), Wave Serpent spam (Not even getting close to HTH, not even with the jetbikes), Riptides (Also not getting into HTH).

MEQ lists for CSM are based around cultists and other things, or are just secondary to demon lists.

SW isn't even a top used army anymore because of how pathetic it is at dealing with current meta.

So once again, why does their 'invincible' HTH skills matter.

GH aren't unfair to Tau or Eldar, they're the original slap in the face to lists like Orks or Tyranids.

Tyranids don't use many gribblies, they just use FMC spam, which deals with SW easily.

Orks, like BA just badly need an update.

And neither of those armies define the meta.

 Anpu42 wrote:
Want and Expectations are two separate things.

>Elite
Lone Wolves: Removed or made 1-3

 goblinking201 wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
Want and Expectations are two separate things.

>Elite
Lone Wolves: Removed or made 1-3

Why do you expect them to get rid of Lone Wolves, they are one of our most fluffiest units and are pretty cool on the field.


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Also, what is with everyone wanting a flier all of a sudden. I can agree with the AA, but a flyer! Russ would be so ashamed. Wolves fight with two feet firmly on the ground.

 goblinking201 wrote:



Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also, what is with everyone wanting a flier all of a sudden. I can agree with the AA, but a flyer! Russ would be so ashamed. Wolves fight with two feet firmly on the ground.

 goblinking201 wrote:
Now, this has probably been done before, but my seach bar is not working, so.....

Any fellow Space Wolves players out their that want to share their hopes and dreams for the new codex, mainly balancing things though.

One thing I want is WG being able to join skyclaws and biker squads.

 Mywik wrote:

Please dont give us a MC with a wolf theme ... please not.

 Wilytank wrote:

 goblinking201 wrote:



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Also, what is with everyone wanting a flier all of a sudden. I can agree with the AA, but a flyer! Russ would be so ashamed. Wolves fight with two feet firmly on the ground.

This bit of fluff needs to be gutted. Russ himself was okay with flying by space ship from planet to planet and there's even a Great Company dedicated to ship to ship fights. So yeah, "respect the traditions...except when they're inconvenient to us."

 goblinking201 wrote:

Also, what is with everyone wanting a flier all of a sudden. I can agree with the AA, but a flyer! Russ would be so ashamed. Wolves fight with two feet firmly on the ground.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I think it would be cool for Space Wolves to get the Leman Russ tank back. It is named after their Primarch after all.

Waaaghpower wrote:
Martel, you seem to be missing something:
Grey Hunters ARE a dedicated Close Combat unit, with offhand shooting capabilities. They are not Tactical Marines.

Tactical Marines are flexible scoring units with offhand shooting capabilities. Unlike Grey Hunters, you get twice as many Tactical squads if you need them, via combat squads. With a wide array of Chapter Tactics, they can have a specialist ability in most any field.

Grey Hunters are supposed to be better in Close Combat, because that is their speciality. They can't offer long-range support as well, they can't spread across the board as well, and depending on Chapter Tactics taken they are either slightly less durable, or slightly less powerful at range than Tactical Marines. Yes, Grey Hunters have a higher damage output within a short range space. That is their job.

With 5/6ths of available mission types being objective-based, though, sometimes that flexibility of motion and range is more important.

Do I believe that Tactical Marines are better than Grey Hunters? No. Do I believe that they are superior to Grey Hunters in a few important aspects, counterbalanced by a lowered damage output? Definitely.