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 goblinking201 wrote:



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Also, what is with everyone wanting a flier all of a sudden. I can agree with the AA, but a flyer! Russ would be so ashamed. Wolves fight with two feet firmly on the ground.

This bit of fluff needs to be gutted. Russ himself was okay with flying by space ship from planet to planet and there's even a Great Company dedicated to ship to ship fights. So yeah, "respect the traditions...except when they're inconvenient to us."

 goblinking201 wrote:
Now, this has probably been done before, but my seach bar is not working, so.....

Any fellow Space Wolves players out their that want to share their hopes and dreams for the new codex, mainly balancing things though.

One thing I want is WG being able to join skyclaws and biker squads.

Nerf GH, limit or remove the psicancel, nerf Jaws of the World wolf, avoid making it SM+1. Now that the things that need to go are done... Time for fun!

Ignoring my dislike for the wolfy wolf wolf spam that has come with even space marines riding wolves of all things, I want to focus on other parts. Let's see, for starters, all around a price drop for HQs. They just in general need one. Njal gets adamantine will for 24". Logan's axe needs to go at initiative in my opinion whilst getting to chose a warlord trait. Don't know his number of wounds but he should have equal to the big guy for any chapter HQ once this is done. Ragnar needs a rework on his sord albiet I have no idea how. Bjorn needs a bit of extra survivability.

Lone Wolves I feel might become a non FoC unit whilst Dreadnoughts could gain some AA. Grey Hunters need a point change on SW whilst Blood Claws need that and a point adjustment to make them more appealing. A nerf to grey hunters and buff to blood claws is most optimal. Fenriisian Wolves need to be cheaper, Land speeders cost the same as usual, skyclaws and swiftclaws need to be cheaper, Thunderwolf cavalry will be having weapon readjustments and perhaps a few flairs tossed in.... In terms of air.. they might or might not. I could see them getting an AA vehicle or character specialized against fighting it orperhaps a plane built to ferry units forth whilst providing AA. It'd be somewhat pricey but who knows. I doubt they'll be removing split fire but I expect oerpriced flak missiles and a point readjustment. Point re-adjustments for the rest in general.

It's probably not going to be anything dramatic. The speed of codex releases is fast and they might even remove somethings to release later. I'd love 13 company models or a supplement out though. That would be a blast. There's going to likely be some vehicle or two, a multimodel box, and maybe a flyer. That's about standard as I'm somewhat cynical of a MC.

 Mywik wrote:

Please dont give us a MC with a wolf theme ... please not.

What? Am I the only person who thinks having Sif would be the best thing ever? Nothing would be cooler to me than a giant wolf MC.

However it seems vastly unlikely :(

 Wilytank wrote:

 goblinking201 wrote:



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Also, what is with everyone wanting a flier all of a sudden. I can agree with the AA, but a flyer! Russ would be so ashamed. Wolves fight with two feet firmly on the ground.

This bit of fluff needs to be gutted. Russ himself was okay with flying by space ship from planet to planet and there's even a Great Company dedicated to ship to ship fights. So yeah, "respect the traditions...except when they're inconvenient to us."

"Ground" is a relative term it seems...


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 SHUPPET wrote:

 Mywik wrote:

Please dont give us a MC with a wolf theme ... please not.

What? Am I the only person who thinks having Sif would be the best thing ever? Nothing would be cooler to me than a giant wolf MC.

However it seems vastly unlikely :(

I am with you, it would be cool, but it has to be done right to appeal to the people who are against it, needs to look "unique" somehow, besides just a giant wolf.

Honestly I would have rather had a Wolf MC than the damned Thunderwolf Riders.

 goblinking201 wrote:

Also, what is with everyone wanting a flier all of a sudden. I can agree with the AA, but a flyer! Russ would be so ashamed. Wolves fight with two feet firmly on the ground.

In every picture of larger battles in the codex you can see either some Thunderhawks or Land Speeders. In the Ragnar series there are stories about Wolves crazy for flying. Some Blood Claws even "borrow" a Thunderhawk to do some stunts in the fjords. Wolves despising fliers is not true at all. And even when they prefer to have their feet on the ground, they would not dismiss a massive tactical advantage because of this.

Interpreting a single line in the codex that was written before fliers have been in the game in a way that they shouldn't ever get fliers is like killing TV fortune tellers because the bible says "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"

Yeah the whole "Space Wolves afraid of flying" thing is stupid. For one, it makes no sense in itself, because it's not in reference to flying but in reference to teleporting... so the "feet on solid ground" makes no sense because they teleport to a point where their feet will be on the ground.

For two, it makes no sense they'd be afraid of flying. They have fleets of friggin space ships for goodness sake. They're SPACE Wolves. They land in drop pods, they fly thunderhawks and land speeders and fly through the air with jump packs, Russ himself would have made extensive use of flying things in his time and the legion would have had even more flyers and such when he was around.

I understand wanting to stay true to fluff, but that's one of the most inconsequential and moronic piece of fluff.

Yeah not flying isn't what they are against its not shoving themselves through the demon infested warp via teleportation they rightly avoid.

We will either get a flier or the stalker tank for AA, I don't see us getting a MC but it would be cool to have a giant wolf stalking the battlefield.

Kit wise Expectations
>Multi-Dreadnaught Kit: Björn/Venerable/ Regular
>Multi-Flyer Kit
>Wolf Scout Kit
>New Sculpts for some Characters

I'd like a plastic cyberwolf kit.

First to all, i want more psychic power related with the ice that affect the terrain and the initiative, like storm caller and murderous hurancan, the last one could affect flyers, and for the flyers, i think a transport suits better the space wolves, something like the valkyrie or storm raven, and for all the wolfie haters could be named as the blizzard crow

 SHUPPET wrote:

 Mywik wrote:

Please dont give us a MC with a wolf theme ... please not.

What? Am I the only person who thinks having Sif would be the best thing ever? Nothing would be cooler to me than a giant wolf MC.

However it seems vastly unlikely :(

Maybe instead a MC wolf-like, why not a fenrisian troll, with it will no die and fnp, that would be cool


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 Wilytank wrote:

 goblinking201 wrote:



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Also, what is with everyone wanting a flier all of a sudden. I can agree with the AA, but a flyer! Russ would be so ashamed. Wolves fight with two feet firmly on the ground.

This bit of fluff needs to be gutted. Russ himself was okay with flying by space ship from planet to planet and there's even a Great Company dedicated to ship to ship fights. So yeah, "respect the traditions...except when they're inconvenient to us."

When they mention about the tradition of "with the feet on the ground" they make reference to more exotic ways of travel and figthing, like teletransportation. The chapter have a wide fleet and make use of the Thunderhawks, even in the novels ragnar exalts the ability of the fenrisians pilots


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 Anpu42 wrote:
Want and Expectations are two separate things.

>Elite
Lone Wolves: Removed or made 1-3

Why do you expect them to get rid of Lone Wolves, they are one of our most fluffiest units and are pretty cool on the field.


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Also, what is with everyone wanting a flier all of a sudden. I can agree with the AA, but a flyer! Russ would be so ashamed. Wolves fight with two feet firmly on the ground.

they should make the lone wolfs as the techmarines on the vanilla marine codex, instead of being elite choice you can take one per hq or one per troop choice

I don't think that the GH need a nerf. Though they are good for their cost, in the general scheme of things, they are hardly are in need of a dramatic nerf. And before anyone goes and says anything about comparing them to tacticals, it is the tacticals which are in need of a buff, or a points reduction.

Other than that though, I think a lot of the changes are fairly obvious: ditching some of the older codex features for the current rules. Physic protection is nerfed, free special weapons for certain squad size (like GH) is removed, and overall re-costings.

A few new kits wouldn't go amiss either, likely one or two unique ones, but for the most part, everything is already pretty good.

I think it would be cool for Space Wolves to get the Leman Russ tank back. It is named after their Primarch after all.

I actually don't want the Leman Russ back. It doesn't suit a Space Marine aesthetic and from a fluff perspective I don't believe a Space Marine crew could physically fit inside it to crew it. It's also supposed to be a slow, heavy, lumbering tank, doesn't really fit with the Space Marine MO.

And they gave us one of the worst variants to boot.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I think it would be cool for Space Wolves to get the Leman Russ tank back. It is named after their Primarch after all.

Allies, man

Waaaghpower wrote:
Martel, you seem to be missing something:
Grey Hunters ARE a dedicated Close Combat unit, with offhand shooting capabilities. They are not Tactical Marines.

Tactical Marines are flexible scoring units with offhand shooting capabilities. Unlike Grey Hunters, you get twice as many Tactical squads if you need them, via combat squads. With a wide array of Chapter Tactics, they can have a specialist ability in most any field.

Grey Hunters are supposed to be better in Close Combat, because that is their speciality. They can't offer long-range support as well, they can't spread across the board as well, and depending on Chapter Tactics taken they are either slightly less durable, or slightly less powerful at range than Tactical Marines. Yes, Grey Hunters have a higher damage output within a short range space. That is their job.

With 5/6ths of available mission types being objective-based, though, sometimes that flexibility of motion and range is more important.

Do I believe that Tactical Marines are better than Grey Hunters? No. Do I believe that they are superior to Grey Hunters in a few important aspects, counterbalanced by a lowered damage output? Definitely.

You absolutely nailed it. The problem I've always seen with grey hunters (mind you, it's not the worst problem to have) is that their close combat prowess makes you want to get them involved in combat. However, if you are in combat you will take losses and even if you win the combats, you are generally in the centre of the table in range of enemy guns and not on an objective, which is their primary task in 5 out of 6 missions.

a FMC giant wolf that can assault other fliers even when they are zooming (or swooping for fmcs).

More wargear with the word wolf in it. More units with the word wolf in it. More everything with the word wolf in it.

Make their new psypower table not stupid. Let there Terminators finally DS. Give them a real sergeant upgrade. Give me a reason to take more than just Rune Priests and Long Fangs without nerfing them to the ground. Make GH not the only auto take troop choice.