Arbiter wrote:
This list doens't care about anything necrons have other then the fact they can drop troops to contest/hold objectives last turn which is where the GK will probably lose.

 Arbiter wrote:
What models/budget do you have?

With that the combined thought power can probably fit your needs.

 Guilldog wrote:

Im getting
[snip] An amazing amount of stuff [/snip]

 A GumyBear wrote:
Remove thise individual point values they break the tenets of the forum and can get dakka in trouble with gw for copyright etc.

MarkCron wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

Im getting
[snip] An amazing amount of stuff [/snip]

Wow. So you really have lot of different possibilities. And you play crons, so I'm going to assume you know how to beat them then. .

As I was inspired by your post, I tried to make a terminator only list myself, addressing some of the problems I raised in my earlier post. The key elements I came up with were:
a) More scoring units. So I swapped out Mordrak and Ghost knights for terminators and a soladin plus a squad of 3 paladins.
b) Anti air : Soladin on a quadgun behind the ADL, plus three paladins with Psycannons (and psybolts) in a squad with a Lvl 1 inquisitor (prescience) in termie armour. Your "I'm getting" list didn't include a stormraven or an ADL, but I figured you might have an ADL lying around somewhere .
c) Troops, 1x10 termies (2 psycannons, psybolts, halberds), 1x5 termies, (psycannon, halberds). With these I was thinking that Deep Strike would be the go, plus combat squadding the 10 man unit (leaving both psycannons in 1 squad).
d) Also included a GKGM for grand strategy and some servo skulls (plus psychotroke grenades).

The main issue I ran into was an almost complete lack of mobility (other than the deep strike). It would have been better to throw in interceptors, but I was keeping to Termie armour only.



Hope something is useful.

Cheers

Mark

 Envihon wrote:
Oh wow, you have a lot of models there. It's too bad that some of those regular GK aren't Interceptors because they compliment teleporting DKs so well.

My experience with GK is take advantage of DS and Shunting. It allows you to place your guys anywhere you want on the board basically. I didn't do this and paid for it. I switched and my games turned around. The mobility can sometimes get you but DS and shunting can close that gap.

You don't need allies to win with GKs, just play to their strengths. I do have Eldar allies to spice things up and I am working on an Imperial Fist allied detachment. Before I did that though, I made sure I had a pure GK list I was comfortable playing with.

I would put more GKSS in your list because you can get more of them. With combat squads you can have them around to capture objectives as well as bring the fight to your opponent. I have never had good experiences using transports with GK. Takes too long to get them in to assault range where they really shine.

 Arbiter wrote:
Looking good, last thing is take all halberds away from the GKSS and give them to the interceptors (for obvious reasons).

And also you can drop the GKSS down to 5 men and drop the psybolt ammo saving you 120pts which you can then throw in another GKSS with a psycannon to hold your back field objective.

MarkCron wrote:
Looking good!

Couple of further suggestions:

-Swap a couple of halberds to upgrade the Rhino's to Razorbacks. with psybolt ammo. You only have min squads anyway and TL psybolt heavy bolters do fine. Modelling point, make sure that you magnetise the Razor/Rhino, including magnetising the Razorback weapons. Also note that GK Razorbacks can take TL assault cannons (these are expensive, but I have used Razorbacks with assault cannons and psybolts as a form of AA).

-I personally have found incinerators more useful than psycannons on my interceptors. You can get the points by dropping the psycannons on the min GKSS (as Razorbacks don't have fire points anyway). Modelling tip, magnetise the backpacks on the GKSS/Interceptors!

As a point for future consideration, in terms of HQ, Coteaz is a feature of many GK lists (well before the Inquisitorial supplement) because he is really good value. ML2, 100 points with a 2+ save and mostly because you can then supplement troops with cheap henchmen.

In order to overcome the massive cost of GK scoring units, I'll quite often use Coteaz, plus 2 x units of 3 warrior acolytes in a Psyback. Total cost for all three units is 218 points and it gives you 2 extra scoring units (plus prescience + ?). Of course, basic warrior acolytes die to a gentle breeze but nonetheless have occasionally won the game!

 Arbiter wrote:
Last note is on the draigo star, it works with him and 10 paladins with banner/FnP/4 psycannons/and any mix of weapons.

This is where coteaz comes in, he lets you take 5 squads of henchmen in psybacks for about 500ptsish when considering the draigo star costs around 900pts is a nice thing, still gives you points for shunting DKs.

Guilldog wrote:[snip]

But i think i get what you're saying. Draigo star is so expensive that you need the cheap troop options that Coteaz offers to fill out the rest of FOC and make it work . [/snip]

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
You've got 70pts of halberds. Trim it down a bit, and give the GKI psybolts.

If you're really thinking about having the GKSS hang back, out of LoS, then consider dropping the Razors and just DSing the troops into position later on. Mordrak has Psychic Communion, allowing much greater control over when your reserves arrive.

If you dropped the Razors AND all the halberds, and didn't do psybolts, you have almost enough for a second DKnight. 20 GKI and two DKs all shunting on T1 would be a pretty scary thing for the enemy.

MarkCron wrote:
I think the list is good.

Re the tactics, I haven't got my rulebook, but I don't think you can start with only the Pallies and Brother Captain on the table. I thought that half the force needed to be deployed?

Generally, I prefer to start interceptors and DK on the board. That way I get a T1 shunt and a T2 assault. However, ymmv!