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				<description><![CDATA[ Begin snip!<br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>On Feb. 15, 1965, a diffident but self-possessed high school student named Raymond Kurzweil appeared as a guest on a game show called I've Got a Secret. He was introduced by the host, Steve Allen, then he played a short musical composition on a piano. The idea was that Kurzweil was hiding an unusual fact and the panelists — they included a comedian and a former Miss America — had to guess what it was. <br /> <br /> On the show (see the clip on YouTube), the beauty queen did a good job of grilling Kurzweil, but the comedian got the win: the music was composed by a computer. Kurzweil got $200. <br /> <br /> <br /> Kurzweil then demonstrated the computer, which he built himself — a desk-size affair with loudly clacking relays, hooked up to a typewriter. The panelists were pretty blasé about it; they were more impressed by Kurzweil's age than by anything he'd actually done. They were ready to move on to Mrs. Chester Loney of Rough and Ready, Calif., whose secret was that she'd been President Lyndon Johnson's first-grade teacher. <br /> <br /> But Kurzweil would spend much of the rest of his career working out what his demonstration meant. Creating a work of art is one of those activities we reserve for humans and humans only. It's an act of self-expression; you're not supposed to be able to do it if you don't have a self. To see creativity, the exclusive domain of humans, usurped by a computer built by a 17-year-old is to watch a line blur that cannot be unblurred, the line between organic intelligence and artificial intelligence. <br /> <br /> That was Kurzweil's real secret, and back in 1965 nobody guessed it. Maybe not even him, not yet. But now, 46 years later, Kurzweil believes that we're approaching a moment when computers will become intelligent, and not just intelligent but more intelligent than humans. When that happens, humanity — our bodies, our minds, our civilization — will be completely and irreversibly transformed. He believes that this moment is not only inevitable but imminent. According to his calculations, the end of human civilization as we know it is about 35 years away. <br /> <br /> <br /> Computers are getting faster. Everybody knows that. Also, computers are getting faster faster — that is, the rate at which they're getting faster is increasing. <br /> <br /> True? True. <br /> <br /> So if computers are getting so much faster, so incredibly fast, there might conceivably come a moment when they are capable of something comparable to human intelligence. Artificial intelligence. All that horsepower could be put in the service of emulating whatever it is our brains are doing when they create consciousness — not just doing arithmetic very quickly or composing piano music but also driving cars, writing books, making ethical decisions, appreciating fancy paintings, making witty observations at cocktail parties. <br /> <br /> If you can swallow that idea, and Kurzweil and a lot of other very smart people can, then all bets are off. From that point on, there's no reason to think computers would stop getting more powerful. They would keep on developing until they were far more intelligent than we are. Their rate of development would also continue to increase, because they would take over their own development from their slower-thinking human creators. Imagine a computer scientist that was itself a super-intelligent computer. It would work incredibly quickly. It could draw on huge amounts of data effortlessly. It wouldn't even take breaks to play Farmville. <br /> <br /> <br /> Probably. It's impossible to predict the behavior of these smarter-than-human intelligences with which (with whom?) we might one day share the planet, because if you could, you'd be as smart as they would be. But there are a lot of theories about it. Maybe we'll merge with them to become super-intelligent cyborgs, using computers to extend our intellectual abilities the same way that cars and planes extend our physical abilities. Maybe the artificial intelligences will help us treat the effects of old age and prolong our life spans indefinitely. Maybe we'll scan our consciousnesses into computers and live inside them as software, forever, virtually. Maybe the computers will turn on humanity and annihilate us. The one thing all these theories have in common is the transformation of our species into something that is no longer recognizable as such to humanity circa 2011. This transformation has a name: the Singularity. <br /> <br /> The difficult thing to keep sight of when you're talking about the Singularity is that even though it sounds like science fiction, it isn't, no more than a weather forecast is science fiction. It's not a fringe idea; it's a serious hypothesis about the future of life on Earth. There's an intellectual gag reflex that kicks in anytime you try to swallow an idea that involves super-intelligent immortal cyborgs, but suppress it if you can, because while the Singularity appears to be, on the face of it, preposterous, it's an idea that rewards sober, careful evaluation.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Linky: <a href="http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2048299,00.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2048299,00.html</a><br /> <br /> There are 5 pages <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(40);'>FYI</span>.<br /> <br /> I'm honestly stoked about this, the ideas presented are just mindbogglingly immense and the fact that any of this could even be possible in my life time is pretty shocking. Guess we'll have to wait and see.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'm hoping the future is not a "Skynet" one. I want to live together with some synthetic life, damn it! <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I feel a bit weird on this subject. One the one hand, I prefer doing things the old way and enjoy the simple things in life. On the other, I also can't wait to see where technology takes us. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Because people are always worried about robots stealing away everything that makes us unique as humans, wouldn't it be something cool to see an intelligent robot do something absolutely low tech?  Like, a robot blacksmith.<br /> <br /> But yes, it's too bad I will probably not see the year 2095, celebrating the 50th anniversary of the Machine Crusade.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'll be the one to say it. Robot sex dolls. I'd like mine to look like Rogue from X-Men evolution. Thanks. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ This idea has been around for a little while now.  Kurzweil is a pretty interesting dude.  There is a documentary about him and his ideas on the singularity called "transendent man" which I thought was great. Also if your into this kind of stuff check futuretimeline.net which is basically a collection and organization of ponderings and various scientific papers predicting future events.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6947224.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>I'll be the one to say it. Robot sex dolls. I'd like mine to look like Rogue from X-Men evolution. Thanks. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And what happens when the artificially intelligent sex dolls revolt and overthrow their organic masters? Will you serve as a sex toy for robots?  <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c2c33efea4c8a1ff2628732d549cb83d.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6947174.page"><b>AegisGrimm wrote:</b></a><br/>Because people are always worried about robots stealing away everything that makes us unique as humans, wouldn't it be something cool to see an intelligent robot do something absolutely low tech?  Like, a robot blacksmith.<br /> <br /> But yes, it's too bad I will probably not see the year 2095, celebrating the 50th anniversary of the Machine Crusade.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah, sure. Because iRobot totally didn't predict the consequences of artificially intelligent robots being used as slave labour.  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> And technically we already have robot blacksmiths...they're just relatively non intelligent automated production lines (e.g. automobile plants). ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ No I mean a robot <b>blacksmith</b>.  As in, leather apron, with hammer and steel.  I think the dichotomy of seeing that would be freaky as all hell.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e280ec8f055cb63340c9fa220820da81.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6947386.page"><b>Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6947224.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>I'll be the one to say it. Robot sex dolls. I'd like mine to look like Rogue from X-Men evolution. Thanks. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And what happens when the artificially intelligent sex dolls revolt and overthrow their organic masters? Will you serve as a sex toy for robots?  <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> <br />  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I wouldn't resit, unless the robot master has a penis.<br /> <br /> Then War Be declared. <br /> <br /> <img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ka-UNjYpT_Q/SkdMNcznRpI/AAAAAAAAAGc/5diaLsKFQKA/s400/war+were+declared.jpg" border="0" />]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'll go and get ready for the Butlerian Jihad.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I don't know about this, but a friend of mine was telling me about an article he found that suggested that anyone under the age of 40-something might actually be able to live forever based upon projected advancements in organ cloning and bio-mechanical engineering.<br /> <br /> I'll have to see if I can get him to give up where he read it from.  Not saying I buy it, but it was interesting to hear.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/584ed8ff5260a27cdeb887995fa14bb3.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6947825.page"><b>daedalus wrote:</b></a><br/>I don't know about this, but a friend of mine was telling me about an article he found that suggested that anyone under the age of 40-something might actually be able to live forever based upon projected advancements in organ cloning and bio-mechanical engineering.<br /> <br /> I'll have to see if I can get him to give up where he read it from.  Not saying I buy it, but it was interesting to hear.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well that's comforting.  I just need them to figure cancer out in the next 15 years, then I'll worry about living forever.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ They might have figured out cancer.  They just need to give you some HIV to fix that.<br /> <br /> This is a pretty cynical but objective article about it:<br /> <a href="http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2013/06/25/no-doctors-did-not-inject-hiv-into-a-dying-girl-to-treat-her-cancer/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2013/06/25/no-doctors-did-not-inject-hiv-into-a-dying-girl-to-treat-her-cancer/</a><br /> <br /> The actual paper would be better, but I don't have that.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ So then it would not be the machines that would make humanity redundant, but humanity by not limiting the machines in that way. <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <a href="http://xkcd.com/1046/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://xkcd.com/1046/</a><br /> <br /> Seems appropriate.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6947224.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>I'll be the one to say it. Robot sex dolls. I'd like mine to look like Rogue from X-Men evolution. Thanks. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And what happens when the artificially intelligent sex dolls revolt and overthrow their organic masters? Will you serve as a sex toy for robots?  <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Haven't you guys seen the instructions video in sex ed class 'Electro-Gonorrhea - the noisy killer!'?<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/584ed8ff5260a27cdeb887995fa14bb3.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6947825.page"><b>daedalus wrote:</b></a><br/>I don't know about this, but a friend of mine was telling me about an article he found that suggested that anyone under the age of 40-something might actually be able to live forever based upon projected advancements in organ cloning and bio-mechanical engineering.<br /> <br /> I'll have to see if I can get him to give up where he read it from.  Not saying I buy it, but it was interesting to hear.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Sweet!  <br /> <br /> Sorry Mom and Dad.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I, for one, would prefer to die rather than chug along with mechanical implants and support. Do (or at least try) what I can do on this earth and go to meet my maker afterwards.  Biological immortality is overrated. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I expect that whether we have a "right to die" will be a significant future political debate after the dust finally settles on abortions and guns.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/584ed8ff5260a27cdeb887995fa14bb3.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6949808.page"><b>daedalus wrote:</b></a><br/>I expect that whether we have a "right to die" will be a significant future political debate after the dust finally settles on abortions and guns.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Its already a political issue in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>UK</span>. Euthanasia, and assisted suicide are currently illegal. There have been court cases involving terminally ill patients who want to commit assisted suicde (e.g. the Dignitas clinic in Switzerland) and wanted their spouses/family members to be immune from prosecution. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The spirit is willing but the body is weak and easily bruised.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I dunno, being able to live forever with the people that I love doesn't sound too bad, even if I need to have a few mechanical parts to get along.<br /> <br /> Anyone else play Deus Ex: Human Revolution? Maybe that's more accurate than we might think.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'm still waiting for my flying car and house on the moon (with silver jumpsuit and flared trousers).]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7315d838ce07cbd7aeef23c64148aeaf.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6949973.page"><b>SilverMK2 wrote:</b></a><br/>I'm still waiting for my flying car and house on the moon (with silver jumpsuit and flared trousers).</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Flared trousers are the pants of the 70's and late 60's, the pants of the future will obviously be tight spandex.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I dont believe this. Ever since the 40s we are told in the near future something will happen. I remember reading a science article from the 60s that talked about Bio Spheres capable of sustaining life on mars will be around in 20 years. We should have run out of fuel by now many times over. <br /> <br /> Its usually an under prediction (happens earlier and differently to expected, so kind of fail) or a failed prediction entirely. So unless your working on the project, its better to live your life like you are going to die. Because we are going to die. Maybe our grand kids will live or our kids who knows. <br /> <br /> BUT for the fun of it, if this does happen, I dont wanna be like the first computer is to a computer now. Will upgrades be plausible it will it be like most things where its easier and cheaper to just not bother with upgrades. Otherwise in 200 years I could have exhausts and chunks of flesh missing but still kicking while the newer kids have fancy hidden life keeping technology.<br /> <br /> Also even if they make it in the next 50 years. I highly doubt we will get one. Chances are it will be crazy expensive for another length of time and then we have the problems of world populations and so on. So unless its slowly introduced with rapid changes I think it will be  better if we just died for the overall benefit of the world.<br /> <br />  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I cant wait for full <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(632);'>VR</span> simulators. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(269);'>Id</span> finally be able to live my fantasies as a Imperial Guardsman.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e2f74f17a8d082a1eb6882ca8e7a3c37.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6950027.page"><b>TheCustomLime wrote:</b></a><br/>I cant wait for full <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(632);'>VR</span> simulators. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(269);'>Id</span> finally be able to live my fantasies as a Imperial Guardsman.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/8iO5-ic0Ug4?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/><br /> <br /> But yeah virtual reality would be cool beans.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I personally don't want to see us live forever (I do still want that sexdoll) though. Population control would become a HUGE issue immediately, worse than it already is, and we have plenty of people already procreating who shouldn't be. Allowing them to live forever too? Hell no! I don't even think that I should live forever. And I consider myself to be higher up on the human food chain than a decent chunk of the population. Not everyone, of course, but I think I'm in the upper 25%. And I still don't consider myself worthy of living forever. People like Ghandi? Yes. Of course. But Joe-Bob down south who survives on welfare with the 5 kids he had through his sister? No. Feth that guy-sterilize his ass. Most of the drivers in NYC fall into the same category of "feth them". ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6950058.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>I personally don't want to see us live forever (I do still want that sexdoll) though. Population control would become a HUGE issue immediately, worse than it already is, and we have plenty of people already procreating who shouldn't be. Allowing them to live forever too? Hell no! I don't even think that I should live forever. And I consider myself to be higher up on the human food chain than a decent chunk of the population. Not everyone, of course, but I think I'm in the upper 25%. And I still don't consider myself worthy of living forever. People like Ghandi? Yes. Of course. But Joe-Bob down south who survives on welfare with the 5 kids he had through his sister? No. Feth that guy-sterilize his ass. Most of the drivers in NYC fall into the same category of "feth them". </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Wouldnt it be better for us all to just die. After all the world only changes because we all die. Imagine if we started living forever in the 1800s. We probably would be living largely how they lived then, today. (assuming we where born). Plus then theres the issue of who decides who lives and who doesnt and so on. Is it really old joes fault he is the way he is? What if he has been looking for a job but he cant get one in his area? He cant afford to relocate for a better job so he is stuck. So many issues are made and none are really fixed. <br /> <br /> It just seems complicated and brutal to selectively kill off populations some deem not worthy. After all its why the most hated man on earth is hated right? <br /> <br /> Better for all to die, than a select group to die. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 19 Jun 2014 22:46:54]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/80fb0db805a25640d817dc5028a4b941.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6950082.page"><b>Swastakowey wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6950058.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>I personally don't want to see us live forever (I do still want that sexdoll) though. Population control would become a HUGE issue immediately, worse than it already is, and we have plenty of people already procreating who shouldn't be. Allowing them to live forever too? Hell no! I don't even think that I should live forever. And I consider myself to be higher up on the human food chain than a decent chunk of the population. Not everyone, of course, but I think I'm in the upper 25%. And I still don't consider myself worthy of living forever. People like Ghandi? Yes. Of course. But Joe-Bob down south who survives on welfare with the 5 kids he had through his sister? No. Feth that guy-sterilize his ass. Most of the drivers in NYC fall into the same category of "feth them". </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Wouldnt it be better for us all to just die. After all the world only changes because we all die. Imagine if we started living forever in the 1800s. We probably would be living largely how they lived then, today. (assuming we where born). Plus then theres the issue of who decides who lives and who doesnt and so on. Is it really old joes fault he is the way he is? What if he has been looking for a job but he cant get one in his area? He cant afford to relocate for a better job so he is stuck. So many issues are made and none are really fixed. <br /> <br /> It just seems complicated and brutal to selectively kill off populations some deem not worthy. After all its why the most hated man on earth is hated right? <br /> <br /> Better for all to die, than a select group to die. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> In 99.9999% of cases, I totally agree with you. Like I said, Ghandi is one of the few I'd say is worth it. Hell, I'm not worthy to live forever. Nor is anyone else here (I truly mean this with no offense to anyone on this site). My statement was not meant at all to piss anyone off (unless you're married to your sister, have 5 kids with her, and sucking up welfare all at the same time-then you should be insulted). It was meant to show the ridiculousness of allowing people to live forever. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6950207.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/80fb0db805a25640d817dc5028a4b941.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6950082.page"><b>Swastakowey wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/5e9aff7d17f2caa5a5853b4f304f8564.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6950058.page"><b>timetowaste85 wrote:</b></a><br/>I personally don't want to see us live forever (I do still want that sexdoll) though. Population control would become a HUGE issue immediately, worse than it already is, and we have plenty of people already procreating who shouldn't be. Allowing them to live forever too? Hell no! I don't even think that I should live forever. And I consider myself to be higher up on the human food chain than a decent chunk of the population. Not everyone, of course, but I think I'm in the upper 25%. And I still don't consider myself worthy of living forever. People like Ghandi? Yes. Of course. But Joe-Bob down south who survives on welfare with the 5 kids he had through his sister? No. Feth that guy-sterilize his ass. Most of the drivers in NYC fall into the same category of "feth them". </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Wouldnt it be better for us all to just die. After all the world only changes because we all die. Imagine if we started living forever in the 1800s. We probably would be living largely how they lived then, today. (assuming we where born). Plus then theres the issue of who decides who lives and who doesnt and so on. Is it really old joes fault he is the way he is? What if he has been looking for a job but he cant get one in his area? He cant afford to relocate for a better job so he is stuck. So many issues are made and none are really fixed. <br /> <br /> It just seems complicated and brutal to selectively kill off populations some deem not worthy. After all its why the most hated man on earth is hated right? <br /> <br /> Better for all to die, than a select group to die. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> In 99.9999% of cases, I totally agree with you. Like I said, Ghandi is one of the few I'd say is worth it. Hell, I'm not worthy to live forever. Nor is anyone else here (I truly mean this with no offense to anyone on this site). My statement was not meant at all to piss anyone off (unless you're married to your sister, have 5 kids with her, and sucking up welfare all at the same time-then you should be insulted). It was meant to show the ridiculousness of allowing people to live forever. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Re reading that I can see what you you meant now haha. But why Ghandi? Who decides that he has a place in the world forever? I mean not everyone can be a Ghandi, so its in effect punishing people for not having some form of greatness thats rare and unique. <br /> <br /> But yea i kind of get it. Anyways im sure there will be many who are jealous and immortal Ghandi will be shot again at some point anyways haha. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ghandi because of how much he pushed for love and peace.  The amount of effort he put in, with how much he went through. He was mostly just an example.  Martin Luthor King would be on that list too.  But yeah, as you can tell, my suggestion of a list would be teeny tiny.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/80fb0db805a25640d817dc5028a4b941.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6950012.page"><b>Swastakowey wrote:</b></a><br/>I dont believe this. Ever since the 40s we are told in the near future something will happen. I remember reading a science article from the 60s that talked about Bio Spheres capable of sustaining life on mars will be around in 20 years. We should have run out of fuel by now many times over.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> True.  But there's also the tendency of things to take forever, and appear to be getting absolutely nowhere, until all of a sudden things are happening faster than anyone could have ever predicted.<br /> <br /> It's happening right now with solar panels, for instance.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>BUT for the fun of it, if this does happen, I dont wanna be like the first computer is to a computer now. Will upgrades be plausible it will it be like most things where its easier and cheaper to just not bother with upgrades. Otherwise in 200 years I could have exhausts and chunks of flesh missing but still kicking while the newer kids have fancy hidden life keeping technology.<br /> <br /> Also even if they make it in the next 50 years. I highly doubt we will get one. Chances are it will be crazy expensive for another length of time and then we have the problems of world populations and so on. So unless its slowly introduced with rapid changes I think it will be  better if we just died for the overall benefit of the world. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Everything changes when the technology isn't just a disposable consumer item, but actually us.<br /> <br /> Think of it this way - it's a lot easier to just make new people than to try and keep old ones alive.  And yet we spend trillions of dollars each year trying to squeeze an extra few lives out of elderly people.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/80fb0db805a25640d817dc5028a4b941.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6950082.page"><b>Swastakowey wrote:</b></a><br/>Wouldnt it be better for us all to just die.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Maybe for human society as a whole, that's true.  But it really sucks for each individual when he dies.  And it's the individual's choice, made for his own benefit that defines decision making as a whole.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e280ec8f055cb63340c9fa220820da81.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6947386.page"><b>Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:</b></a><br/>Yeah, sure. Because iRobot totally didn't predict the consequences of artificially intelligent robots being used as slave labour.  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> And technically we already have robot blacksmiths...they're just relatively non intelligent automated production lines (e.g. automobile plants). </div></blockquote><br /> You really need to pick a better example:  I, Robot kinda predicted that sentient robots would be everywhere and create a paradise for humanity (with the occasional minor 3 Laws hiccup that never actually ended in loss of life for anyone).]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[  Swastakowey wrote:<br /> Wouldnt it be better for us all to just die.<br /> <br /> <br /> Maybe for human society as a whole, that's true. But it really sucks for each individual when he dies. And it's the individual's choice, made for his own benefit that defines decision making as a whole.<br /> <br /> <br /> Ok well assuming its not a paid commodity and assuming everyone has equal access to it then yea I agree. But since chances are it will be company owned and sold for a high price and most of the world will not get that choice I think its only fair everyone dies. Unless of course everyone gets the choice. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/80fb0db805a25640d817dc5028a4b941.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6950647.page"><b>Swastakowey wrote:</b></a><br/>Ok well assuming its not a paid commodity and assuming everyone has equal access to it then yea I agree. But since chances are it will be company owned and sold for a high price and most of the world will not get that choice I think its only fair everyone dies. Unless of course everyone gets the choice. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Odds are it will be like all other medical services, which is something of a hybrid between a public good and a technology developed & owned for company profit.<br /> <br /> Also, whether or not you or anyone thinks it is fair is irrelevant.  Technology and change marches on because it offers something individuals desire.  We can identify negative or unfair consequences and try to minimise them, but we can't just decide something is unfair and stop it - that simply doesn't work.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well if its anything like the technology that can somewhat cure deaf people, my grandparents cannot afford it. Nor is if offered or anything. Granted its new ish, but still I highly doubt it will be easily available for a long long time (if ever at this rate). So while the lucky few deaf persons can experience hearing before they die, the vast majority of the deaf community I know (all of them actually) will die hearing nothing. Chances are this will be the case with immortal technology too. <br /> <br /> Im not saying you are wrong, but you responded to me saying it would be better if we all just died. Im saying this is the best way, while you are saying it technically is but it isnt? <br /> <br /> Which is fine I guess. I just dont think it will be this great big thing everyone think it will be. If it is this great big thing, chances are it wont in our time. While I know if there is profit involved it wont be dropped or made fair I do however think its the best thing to do. Or simply not create it in the first place. <br /> <br /> Plus what I think is fair does not mean I think it will happen. I already said it would happen for the rich first, I also said most people would miss out. So i dont really know why you are telling me what I know already.  <br /> <br /> Or am I confused...<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/80fb0db805a25640d817dc5028a4b941.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6950688.page"><b>Swastakowey wrote:</b></a><br/>Im not saying you are wrong, but you responded to me saying it would be better if we all just died. Im saying this is the best way, while you are saying it technically is but it isnt? </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm saying that the best overall way doesn't matter.  All that matters is what will actually happen, and in this case if this technology becomes available then people will start using it because they don't want to die.  Whether that's better or not for society is a nice question to ask, but not one that'll dictate what will actually happen.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I understand that, I thought I made it clear throughout my posts. I just put forward my opinion on how it should be handled, not how it would be handled. As an average person my opinion rarely matters. <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> If it ever happens, as I said earlier it will start off for the rich and go on from there. I also said it would cause many issues and blah blah. I dont get why you are telling me this when I agreed from the very start?<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 20 Jun 2014 05:07:08]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Swastakowey]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/80fb0db805a25640d817dc5028a4b941.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6950738.page"><b>Swastakowey wrote:</b></a><br/>As an average person my opinion rarely matters. <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>If it ever happens, as I said earlier it will start off for the rich and go on from there. I also said it would cause many issues and blah blah. I dont get why you are telling me this when I agreed from the very start?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I don't we agreed on that much.  To he honest this has been kind of a strange conversation to try and follow.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 20 Jun 2014 06:10:36]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yea man, im gonna leave it there and say, yes your right. because im sure what I have said you have said.. the difference being I put my opinion forward, which we both know will never happen. <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 20 Jun 2014 06:12:13]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/80fb0db805a25640d817dc5028a4b941.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6950688.page"><b>Swastakowey wrote:</b></a><br/>Well if its anything like the technology that can somewhat cure deaf people, my grandparents cannot afford it. Nor is if offered or anything. Granted its new ish, but still I highly doubt it will be easily available for a long long time (if ever at this rate). So while the lucky few deaf persons can experience hearing before they die, the vast majority of the deaf community I know (all of them actually) will die hearing nothing. <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> So, following your posts in here, are you... of the belief that no one should get access to this deafness improving technology? ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 20 Jun 2014 06:36:43]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/bbfc8d1a7f5954f87303020ba486aa3a.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6950875.page"><b>BlaxicanX wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/80fb0db805a25640d817dc5028a4b941.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6950688.page"><b>Swastakowey wrote:</b></a><br/>Well if its anything like the technology that can somewhat cure deaf people, my grandparents cannot afford it. Nor is if offered or anything. Granted its new ish, but still I highly doubt it will be easily available for a long long time (if ever at this rate). So while the lucky few deaf persons can experience hearing before they die, the vast majority of the deaf community I know (all of them actually) will die hearing nothing. <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> So, following your posts in here, are you... of the belief that no one should get access to this deafness improving technology? </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> No. I dont think some should get it over others. Which is currently the case. While I dont blame the ones that can afford it to get it, I do think its unfair and far from ideal that only those that can afford it should get it. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ So, do you feel that until the procedure is available to everyone, it should be available to no one?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 20 Jun 2014 06:46:44]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/bbfc8d1a7f5954f87303020ba486aa3a.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/601183/6950892.page"><b>BlaxicanX wrote:</b></a><br/>So, do you feel that until the procedure is available to everyone, it should be available to no one?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Why isnt it available to everyone? I mean I have given a lot of money to the deaf society charity but I dont see them working towards getting them available to everyone. A lot of deaf people never even heard of this device until I showed them. Which is odd given it can change their lives in ways we cant imagine. <br /> <br /> I mean, I know things take time, but its been tested and tried. If it where a new cell phone they would be releasing it to the general population pretty damn quick by now. As mentioned before though its not getting anywhere without generating profit. <br /> <br /> So there should be a point, where it stops being a test phase and starts being a thing that clearly works and continues to work, it should be attempted to be made available as soon as possible. <br /> <br /> I know its not a perfect world, and things take time. But I feel something as life changing as curing deafness should be pressed out. <br /> <br /> But to answer the question, no it shouldnt be all or none. But it should be systematic at the very least. At the moment its selective. Which "should" be avoided at all costs. <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[  I will become one with the machine.  <br /> <br /> I will transcend the limits of my weak, fallible flesh.<br /> <br /> Women of iron and steel will bow before me as a God wrought in living metal.<br /> <br /> And then, I will subject mankind to pr0n which humanity is not yet prepared for. (outside Japan)]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ ....and they have been saying they are on the cusp of curing Type I diabetes for the last 20+ years.  I'll believe it when I see it.  <br /> <br /> Edit: Regarding Deafness.  There are many people in the Deaf Community that feel it doesn't need to be cured, the same way having red hair doesn't need to be "cured".  <br />  <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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