<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/16.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them
Why would a Psyker not come prepared for a battle? Instead of rolling on a table, every Psyker can pick the powers he likes from the disciplines he's allowed to use. Psykers cost a lot of points to be decent and one roll on the start of the game can decide if those points are well spent or a complete waste. When I'm writing a list, I have a plan in my head which unit I want to do what.

Your thoughts?


On a related note: What do you think about the same thing regarding Warlord Traits? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7016131.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7016131.page GMT Re:Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them FNP, Eternal Warrior, and is now S9, T8. They get that just because they choose it? The other powers might as well not be there. And the Warlord traits. I would obviously give my Necron Overlord FNP every single time, especially while he's riding on a chariot.

Now, if you were playing a narrative campaign and for story purposes you needed certain powers or traits, then yeah thats fine. But it would screw with the non-campaign oriented side.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7016152.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7016152.page GMT Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7016158.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7016158.page GMT Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them
without imposing a system places a pts cost on what specific things are, rolling is better.

ie I would prefer not to play someone who wanted to select their powers/warlord traits.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7016161.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7016161.page GMT Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them
blaktoof wrote:
without imposing a system places a pts cost on what specific things are, rolling is better.


Actually, a points cost system would be a pretty good idea, actually. Like in Fantasy, where you have magic items and armor that anyone can take. Have all of the traits and powers, but make people buy them. That would be a very easy payoff. It would never happen, mind you, but it would work.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7016191.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7016191.page GMT Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them id have no issue

But just letting them pick?


Id have 3 invisible conscript blobs all day every day. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7016195.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7016195.page GMT Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7016255.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7016255.page GMT Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7016279.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7016279.page GMT Re:Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them
How many Eldar players would choose Eldritch Storm over Fortune? How many would choose Shrouding over Invisibility? Etc...

Right now one part of Psychic Powers balance is them not being guarenteed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7016286.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7016286.page GMT Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them 40k.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7016354.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7016354.page GMT Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7027120.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7027120.page GMT Re:Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7030993.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7030993.page GMT Re:Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them
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You forgot the Catalyst.

Also I'd more than happily have master of ambush every game! On my Nids, here's my guaranteed infiltrating Monsterous creatures.mdeal with them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7031021.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7031021.page GMT Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them
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Lanrak wrote:
''...When game designers use random dice rolls , to replace game balance and considered player choices.It has all gone horribly wrong some where...''



But the imbalance of power between psychic powers within each discipline, is so bad that not guareenting that your seer council will be invisible every game is the only balance we have.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7031964.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7031964.page GMT Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them
As long as you don't abuse it, it could work in a Narrative/friendly game. However, people have a tendency to abuse stuff.


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Eldercaveman wrote:
You'd just have to go back to codex specific powers only.

I wouldn't mind if an Eldar player picks Death Mission, but somehow, I'm betting he is more likely than not to take Fortune....


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It'd probably be easier to tone down the worst of the powers, and then give them points ranging from free to 15pts.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7032141.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7032141.page GMT Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them
 Desubot wrote:
If you could properly cost them id have no issue

This.
Rolling for your powers is a crummy way to enforce "balance" - they should have just designed them to all be useful in the first place, and let players equip them like wargear (the way Blood Angels and Space Wolves used to before 7th edition).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7033587.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7033587.page GMT Re:Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them
Random psychic power rolls are not balance, it is see-saw gaming. I win. You win. I win. You win.
Random warlord traits are just frustratingly useless most of the time. Saw an Eldar Avatar roll Inspiring Presence while the enemy rolled Night Attacker. Pick and choose and assign point costs if necessary.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7041605.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7041605.page GMT Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them
I'm a Guard player. I'm already fielding 3 Primaris Psykers at Mastery Level 2 and 3 Wyrdvane Psyker Squads. Yes, I'm spending 600 pts. But I'm getting 36 wounds, 3 force weapons and 15 psychic powers. Now I get to make sure each squad has the best psychic powers? I will overpower many an opponent if I can pick my powers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7048148.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7048148.page GMT Re:Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7057353.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7057353.page GMT Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them
What about point values for Psychic powers (if you want to choose) or random?

For example (point values are arbitrary, just making this simple),
Primaris = 1 point
Power 1 = 2 points
Power 2 = 3 points
Power 3 = 4 points
Power 4 = 5 points
Power 5 = 6 points
Power 6 = 7 points

Player 1 wants powers 3 and 4 on their psyker and so pays 10 points (9 points for power 3 and 4, 1 point for the Primaris due to Psychic Focus).
Player 2 wants to roll, because he prefers randomization (the fool), so he does not have to pay points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7061525.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7061525.page GMT Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them
So this way, yes you can pick and choose what you want, and next game, the trait that has been used is scratched off and can't be used again.

Same thing for psychic powers. So now really makes you think what you want to take.

It's only fair that the traits powers that never get chosen will be used just as often as the traits powers that get picked all the time.

Then again, if it's only you guys playing and everyone agrees to it, then why the hell not and do it and have fun. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7061751.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7061751.page GMT Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them
 Happyjew wrote:
Now curiosity.

What about point values for Psychic powers (if you want to choose) or random?

For example (point values are arbitrary, just making this simple),
Primaris = 1 point
Power 1 = 2 points
Power 2 = 3 points
Power 3 = 4 points
Power 4 = 5 points
Power 5 = 6 points
Power 6 = 7 points

Player 1 wants powers 3 and 4 on their psyker and so pays 10 points (9 points for power 3 and 4, 1 point for the Primaris due to Psychic Focus).
Player 2 wants to roll, because he prefers randomization (the fool), so he does not have to pay points.


No. Player 2 getting good powers without having to pay for them through luck whereas Player 1 pays for them puts P2 at an advantage. There's enough random advantages already.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7061835.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7061835.page GMT Selecting Psychic Powers instead of rolling for them GW at the moment there is no way you can do this, because the psychic powers are borderline broken as it is. If you let people pick then you HAVE to make people pay a points cost to get the different powers, because no sane person is going to pick Shrouding over Invis etc. This is a common issue that isn't just limited to psychic powers, where GW have been refusing to balance some aspects of the game and then putting a layer of randomness over the top which gives the illusion of balance without them actually needing to do any real work.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7061934.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/604789/7061934.page GMT