Bal4eva wrote:
Are named characters cc weapons taken into account on their stat lines or do they get added bonus for two cc weapons. For example Tigirius has a bolt pistol and a force staff does he get the 2 attacks in his stat line or 3 for the extra weapons?

 Ghaz wrote:

Bal4eva wrote:
Are named characters cc weapons taken into account on their stat lines or do they get added bonus for two cc weapons. For example Tigirius has a bolt pistol and a force staff does he get the 2 attacks in his stat line or 3 for the extra weapons?

If it is, the entry will specifically say as much.

Bal4eva wrote:
The only reason I ask is they do add some things to the stat lines of some characters and others it seems like they don't.

Can you give us an example of what things you believe have already been added to the stat line?

 M0ff3l wrote:
Chaos marks, VotLW and sempiternal weave are some that i know of.

 M0ff3l wrote:
Yes thank you for proving that the marks and votlw are already taken into account?

 Ghaz wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:
Yes thank you for proving that the marks and votlw are already taken into account?

And you did read where I said if they were already added to the stat line, it would specifically say so? Both Veterans of the Long War and the Marks of Chaos specifically say so.

 Ghaz wrote:
But it's not clear if those models would have a 2+ armour save without the sempiternal weave or not. Does the model get a 2+ save because of the weave, or does the model already have a 2+ armour save and the weave is redundant?

JinxDragon wrote:
Ghaz,
Does it state it is included in the Profile?
Wouldn't be the first redundant piece of war-gear, even if it rates a little more unusual then most.

 Ghaz wrote:

JinxDragon wrote:
Ghaz,
Does it state it is included in the Profile?
Wouldn't be the first redundant piece of war-gear, even if it rates a little more unusual then most.

No, which is my point. Nothing says it is or is not in the profile so we default to it not being in the profile and it's redundant wargear.


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 M0ff3l wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
But it's not clear if those models would have a 2+ armour save without the sempiternal weave or not. Does the model get a 2+ save because of the weave, or does the model already have a 2+ armour save and the weave is redundant?

Does a named chaos character have 9LD or 10LD without votlw? (As in, if his LD gets reduced by 1 does it stay 10 (do the bonusses cancel eachother out) or does it go to 9)? Thats not clear either... As a regular chaos lord has 10 ld.

Again, from page 30 of Codex Chaos Space Marines:

When Veterans of the Long War is listed in a unit's special rules, the Leadership increase will already have been taken into account in it's profile.

So we have no indication as to what his Leadership would be without Veterans of the Long War since Leadership is capped at 10. So what's your point?

 Ghaz wrote:
And what was your point? How does not knowing what the base stat was have anything to do with whether or not the the bonuses to a stat are listed in a model's profile? Perhaps if you were a little more clear on what you're trying to say I wouldn't have to keep repeating the rules that you say you know.

 Ghaz wrote:
And yet again, what is your point? How does not knowing what its a pre-modified stat is change the fact that the rule clearly states that the bonus is already added? What it's pre-modified stat is not mentioned in the rulebook and with Leadership being capped at 10, it could be either 9 or 10 but we have no definitive answer without a statement from GW. So what does that have to do with the OP's question?

 Ghaz wrote:
I'm not the one who derailed the thread, thank you. I asked the OP a relevant question when he stated he thought that some things seemed to be added to the profile already and some had not and asked him which he believed had already been added to the stat line. If you have a problem with somebody's post, you use the 'Notify Moderator' button.

 M0ff3l wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
I'm not the one who derailed the thread, thank you. I asked the OP a relevant question when he stated he thought that some things seemed to be added to the profile already and some had not and asked him which he believed had already been added to the stat line. If you have a problem with somebody's post, you use the 'Notify Moderator' button.

Whats the point in asking the OP what things he believes are already factored in the statline, if your response to him had been similar to the response you gave to me? here let me be a smartass and quote the page numbers of things you already know are factored in, and as for the other thing thats just GWs fault. yay great? Now what? we learned nothing from that, so infact you derailed the thread.