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I'm only just getting back into the hobby and this is a list I've been working on for the last couple of days so comments and advice more than welcome! I know that there's a lack of heavy support, but I'm hoping that with tactics this is something I can overcome.

Baal Strike Force
HQ
Astorath, Redeemer of the Lost (Warlord)

Sanguinary Priest, no upgrades

Elites
Death Company
5 marines armed with Chainswords and Bolt Pistols
3 marines armed with Power Swords and Infernus Pistols
Jump packs

Furioso Dreadnought
Power Fists with Heavy Flamer and Meltagun
Magna-grapple

Terminator Assault Squad x5
All armed with Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields

Troops
Tactical Squad
7 marines armed with Bolters
1 marine armed with Heavy Flamer
1 marine armed with Flamer
Sergeant armed with Chainsword and Hand Flamer
Drop Pod

Tactical Squad
7 marines armed with Bolters
1 marine armed with Heavy Flamer
1 marine armed with Flamer
Sergeant armed with Chainsword and Hand Flamer
Drop Pod

Fast Attack
Assault Squad
2 armed with Chainswords and Bolt Pistols
2 armed with Meltaguns
Sergeant armed with Combi-Melta, Melta Bombs
Drop Pod

Assault Squad
2 armed with Chainswords and Bolt Pistols
2 armed with Meltaguns
Sergeant armed with Combi-Melta, Melta Bombs
Drop Pod

Heavy Support
Predator
Lascannon turret
Twin-linked Lascannon sponsons
Overcharged engines

Stormraven
Twin-linked Multi-melta
Twin-linked Lascannon

Total points: 1849

Tactics:
I've split my army into the forward line and then support squads that are providing fire support and/ or seizing objectives.

Forward Line
Astorath joins the DC to take out high value targets, enemy warlord/ characters. My intention would be to use the Chainsword/ Bolt Pistol marines to screen the others and soften up enemy units, allowing the others to mop up. I'll be looking to use cover to my advantage and move them up the table as quickly as possible. With the Strike Force bonuses and Astaroth's buffs this unit should be able to take out most targets and deal quite a bit of damage while having a bit of durability.

The Hamminators and Furioso will start in the Stormraven and be moved up the table quickly with the Stormraven using it's heavy weapons to soften up the enemy. These two units will be used to take out MC, vehicles or well armoured units, acting together to take out units. The Stormraven will then fall back to provide anti-flier and heavy support where needed and the Furioso could be detached to support the DC if it was needed.

Support Squads

The two tactical squads will be used to secure objectives, take out infantry squads and provide medium range support to the forward line. Depending on the opposing force the options is there for them to split into combat squads depending on the situation. The Flamer weapons will help to take out blobs and clear them off of objectives and keep them at bay.

The assault squads will use their melta weapons to take out well armoured infantry/ mech and if necessary, tie units up in combat to keep them pinned in place. The Sanguinary Priest will be accompanying one of these squads using his buff to make them that bit more effective.

The Predator will lurk towards the back of the field giving long range support were needed and targeting tanks. I've given it Overcharged Engines to help it get about quicker so it's more responsive.

In the first couple of lists I wrote I had the Priest with a Jump Pack and accompanying a second squad of DC but this meant I couldn't have any assault troops and I was worried the list was just a little too small and would be taken apart too easily. I've kept him in there because the buffs he has would really help an assault squad, even armed the way I've done them, but I'm conscious that he's not as good a fit with this list as I'd like. I do love the new model though...

Any helpful advice, hints or guidance more than welcome!
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7468896.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7468896.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7470597.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7470597.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7470741.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7470741.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7470759.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7470759.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels Long answer: Yes, and for that single point it's totally worth it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7470770.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7470770.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7470957.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7470957.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels lvl 2 termy lib, a pod for the dread and a couple of fists for the DC ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7471060.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7471060.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels They are really expensive and since tanks aren't the optimal target for Death Company, you'll have wasted potential there.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7471485.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7471485.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7471571.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7471571.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7471956.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7471956.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels They have short range and I would keep them back so that you don't lose your swords to Overwatch.
Giving them to different models might solve this but it's still three shots max.

For those points, you might get a single Power Fist and something more. This gives you 4 chances with AP2 on the first round, nearly guaranteed and two attacks on any following rounds.
So the Fist gives you more chances for cheaper.
Technically shooting is better than striking at I1 but the other advantages of PF are so great that I consider it being the superior choice.

My own Death Company includes eight men with Jump Packs.
A single Thunder Hammer and Power Sword. The simple amount of attacks from DC ensures that most targets will die. Another Sword can't really hurt tough... except the enemy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7471972.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7471972.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels
Natpri771 - I guess part of putting them in a pod for me was survivability, they won't risk being mowed down as they jump up the board and with the units being smaller they won't be taken apart too quickly. They'll also let me be more in control of where they end up in one piece. That being said, it's not something I'm precious about.

Soomemafia - would you say take out the Infernus Pistols, replace with bolt pistols and use the points for Power Fists?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7473375.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7473375.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels It's pretty efficent and leaves you with some extra points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7474198.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7474198.page GMT Re:[1850] - Blood Angels ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7474224.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7474224.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7474840.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7474840.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels
Astorath is OK, Dante in general is far better. But Astorath is cheap for what he does in a DC squad.

Priest wants a bolt pistol. 1 point for an extra point you're getting an extra attack AND a S4 Ap5 shot! Best 1 point you'll ever spend.

Furioso isn't a great buy. Spammed in DPs they can be effective but they are too easy to kill otherwise. Also having 600 points wrapped up in 1 unit that sits in reserve with no reserve manipulation is a big risk. Against Tau it'll get intercepted off the board the turn it arrives. I would drop the Dread.

Hammernators are OK and the Priest makes them tougher so I would put him here. Though they don't really suit the SR. They have no ranged weapons so they DS out and just have to stand there and take it. Or you hover the SR giving up your 200 point flyer to get them into assault. The SR should always take the Assault Cannon as it is a far better AT gun in these Hull Point times and better against infantry too.

Flamey death from the tac squads is good. Melta death from the AMs is also solid. I would suggest getting a 5th Drop Pod even if just an empty one so you get 3 squads in turn 1 rather than 2. Gives you a little alphastrike and a bigger distraction which gives your DC a chance to get in.

Pred is good but needs a buddy. Use the Furioso points to get a second Pred. Over charged engines are great here and an auto include so good choice there.

Hope this helps.


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Oh yes and as others have said infernus pistols aren't worth it on the DC so I'd swap them out for the other upgrades I've suggested.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7475058.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7475058.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels
Thanks for the feedback, I have some questions if that's ok!

Would you still put the Hamminators in the Raven even if I drop the dreadnought? Will definitely put the priest with them now, I'll keep him lurking at the back!

I'll have a look at a second Pred, I kinda like the thought of them roaming the back of the board together!

On the basis of other feedback I'm going to drop the Infernus pistols and replace them with a couple of fists, it sounds like this is a better use points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7481656.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7481656.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels DS which is problematic or you have to hover the SR to get them out. The former you can get away with if you've got target saturation, the later should only be used if getting that squad into assault puts you into an unassailable lead in the game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7481707.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7481707.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7481735.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7481735.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels
You can't really build a list without the answer to both. At the moment you have a bit of everything, which may be fine if your meta is similar, but will not do so well against more focused or competitive lists.

Your list is also fairly static after deployment from Pods, which is a big problem if playing Maelstrom Missions, and to a lesser extent Eternal War

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7481997.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7481997.page GMT Re:[1850] - Blood Angels BA primaris power is amazing. d3 attacks? Yes. The shield spell for a 5++? Yes. Everything else is cake. Stick him with your DC and watch awesome happen. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7482147.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7482147.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels DC want to get close to the enemy, the other close range sanguinius powers are not trivial. Especially fear the darkness. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7482565.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7482565.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels AP 2 weapon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7483255.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7483255.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels DC.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488066.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488066.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488099.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488099.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488157.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488157.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels DC w/jump packs, 2 power fists with a Sanguinius Level 2 jump libby. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488165.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488165.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels BA, how do you find it?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488690.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488690.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels DC is great for that libby!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488706.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488706.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488809.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488809.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels HQs are you gonna use in the BA codex? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488814.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488814.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488824.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488824.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels BA libby was THE HQ in the 5th ed codex.

I just feel that the chaplains and even the priest don't bring enough to the table. I might go dual force org to get 4 HQ slots in some lists to get priests, though. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488860.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488860.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels DC, but he's the only Chaplain I'd think about. For me I think I love the Priest model and maybe that's why I want to include it. That being said, I do like the thought of a jump Priest in with a Vanguard squad.

I know a lot of people are using them with Sanguinary Guard but I HATE those models and that's really put me off. As much as I want an army that can compete, it needs to be fluffy(ish) and look good on the table for me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488887.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488887.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels DC need buffs? No. They just need to assault. However, a psyker might be able to hand out a 4++ save or make Sternguards relentless. Those are buffs. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488896.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488896.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels HQ choices. Too many options!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488902.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488902.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels DC 2 power fists and basically whatever they assault dies miserably. There are exceptions, but those things you shoot. That's why shooting is actually imperative to a BA list.

Sanguinius discipline is so good for a libby with DC, too. Most the powers are short ranged, and do annoying things. Like give DC an extra attack, or make units take LD tests at -2. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488906.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488906.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488943.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488943.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels
 Baalite wrote:
There's nothing wrong with me trying it and getting a jump librarian and fitting him into that squad.


My current list has a level 2 libby and Mephy. Two level 2's would be good too, but S 10 is rare and precious. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488961.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488961.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488988.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7488988.page GMT [1850] - Blood Angels
 Baalite wrote:
I don't know if I'd use two , I like some of the other choices for that slot too much.


But they're best when you load up on them as much as possible. Most of the other HQs are kinda meh I think. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7489052.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/629216/7489052.page GMT