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Everything I hear about Eldar cheese seems to revolve around Wave Serpents and Dire Avengers. I really like the variety available in the army and I don't want to be TFG in these friendly games. Are there any other combos that just make others not want to play against Eldar?

My current list availability:

Striking Scorpians, Swooping Hawks, Dire Avengers (1 squad in 1 WS) Harlies, War Walkers and Vypers. I want to add some artillery soon but that's really it for now.

I just don't want to put anybody off playing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7565461.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7565461.page GMT Non-Cheese Eldar
The Eldar hate all just comes from Wave Serpents generally. If you take loads and use them like battle tanks you'll be hated. Knights as the warlord is cheesy as well IMO.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7565494.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7565494.page GMT Non-Cheese Eldar http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7565519.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7565519.page GMT Non-Cheese Eldar
Nothing wrong with Wraithknights unless you take three. One is fine, specially in an Iyanden themed army. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7565563.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7565563.page GMT Non-Cheese Eldar
Farseer-Jetbike, Spirit Stone of Anath'Lan
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10x Howling Banshees
10x Striking Scorpions

20x Guardians 2x Brightlance
5x Rangers
5x Rangers
4x Windrider Guardians

8x Swooping Hawks
7x Warp Spiders

1x Nightspinner
2x War Walkers (1 Brightlance 1 Scatter Laser each)
1x Wraithknight


I'll tell you now, I am super iffy about this list. I tied my friend in a Maelstrom game, he was playing Farsight suit Tau. I think with some good work though this list could be better, and it's a good start for non-cheesy Eldar.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7565658.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7565658.page GMT Non-Cheese Eldar
 Deafbeats wrote:
Here's my Footdar list, I wouldn't consider it very competitive at all.

Farseer-Jetbike, Spirit Stone of Anath'Lan
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10x Howling Banshees
10x Striking Scorpions

20x Guardians 2x Brightlance
5x Rangers
5x Rangers
4x Windrider Guardians

8x Swooping Hawks
7x Warp Spiders

1x Nightspinner
2x War Walkers (1 Brightlance 1 Scatter Laser each)
1x Wraithknight


I'll tell you now, I am super iffy about this list. I tied my friend in a Maelstrom game, he was playing Farsight suit Tau. I think with some good work though this list could be better, and it's a good start for non-cheesy Eldar.


Nothing wrong with this list at all in a casual environment. People tend to think that only WS are any good in the Eldar book, when in fact, I don't know that there is a truly bad unit in the entire codex. Less optimal maybe, situational certainly, but nothing I would consider bad/unplayable. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7566077.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7566077.page GMT Non-Cheese Eldar lol that Suncannon scatter laser combo is just brutal. Not to mention it's impossible to hurt lol
Oh and that was in 6th edition. I don't play against it anymore thank god.

About Wave Serpents, I think their good but running 2 or 3 isn't cheese. It's when people run 6 of them when people have trouble.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7566192.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7566192.page GMT Non-Cheese Eldar
Just don't build your army as if winning is the most important thing, and those other important things won't suffer from your desire to win.

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 purplkrush wrote:
Alright, some friends and I finally have our acts together and are relearning the game. I'm running Eldar, one guy is running Necrons and the last guy just bought the new starter box. They're both fairly competitive and we've all run numbers for varying games before. I want this to remain friendly til we really get the hang of things as we might have a couple more joining.

Everything I hear about Eldar cheese seems to revolve around Wave Serpents and Dire Avengers. I really like the variety available in the army and I don't want to be TFG in these friendly games. Are there any other combos that just make others not want to play against Eldar?

My current list availability:

Striking Scorpians, Swooping Hawks, Dire Avengers (1 squad in 1 WS) Harlies, War Walkers and Vypers. I want to add some artillery soon but that's really it for now.

I just don't want to put anybody off playing.


Sounds good. Also, here are a couple ideas for you that don't involve the dreaded Wave spam (although if you have fast melee lists, you wont fear wavespam, just a pro tip). different articles I wrote. Some are newer than others so keep in mind they are a mix of 6E and 7E.

http://40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com/2014/01/eldar-outflanking-maniacs.html

http://40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com/2013/09/illic-nightspear.html

http://40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com/2013/07/6th-edition-eldar-codex-making-flyers.html

http://40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com/2013/07/6th-edition-eldar-hq-asurman.html

http://40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-new-eldar-prince-yriel.html

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 ClassicCarraway wrote:

Nothing wrong with this list at all in a casual environment. People tend to think that only WS are any good in the Eldar book, when in fact, I don't know that there is a truly bad unit in the entire codex. Less optimal maybe, situational certainly, but nothing I would consider bad/unplayable.
My friend was playing missile on all his suits, 2 riptides, and Farsight Bomb with Fusion/Plasma. Oh and Buffmander. I only tied because he's a bit rusty and made some poor choices, otherwise I think he would have decimated me. But yeah, people really under estimate our other units, I for one adore Striking Scorpions, they might be my favorite unit, and I want Howling Banshees to be good so badly. This game I pointed them to his objective holding Fire Warriors where they blended them up on impact for the Game tying combat. Footdar is super fun to play
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]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7566492.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7566492.page GMT Non-Cheese Eldar IMO is the Laser Lock rule which makes everything twin linked after hitting a target with the Scatter Laser. Seeing as you have 4 shots and it's already twin linked itself you're pretty much guaranteed to get TL on your Serpent Shield and Shuriken Cannon.

Put Lances or even just TL Shuriken Cannons on top and I reckon it's fairly reasonable.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7566505.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7566505.page GMT Non-Cheese Eldar
 master of asgard wrote:
The thing that really makes Wave Serpents abusive IMO is the Laser Lock rule which makes everything twin linked after hitting a target with the Scatter Laser. Seeing as you have 4 shots and it's already twin linked itself you're pretty much guaranteed to get TL on your Serpent Shield and Shuriken Cannon.

Put Lances or even just TL Shuriken Cannons on top and I reckon it's fairly reasonable.


Honestly what makes them abusive is the fact that its a DT with a 60" ST7 ignores cover with multiple shot. not the 24" mid strength gun. Scatters just make the main gun much better.

If you want to take them, just dont shoot the SS. but at that point you are shooting your self in the foot.

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Likewise, there's little cheesy about footdar, which means ulthwe is fine, and if you play saim hann as they are intended to be played (not as a gunline), then there's not that many problems there either, and a biel tan skittlesfest is unlikely to draw ire either.

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Lemme float this by y'all as long as I'm here. I was planning on running a Spirit Seer and some Wraithguard I'm getting off Ebay and an Autarch with my Swooping Hawks. I think it sounds pretty sweet as the WG and Seer can sweep in from behind to support the CC and use the Autarch and Hawks to pin my enemies between two CC units.

Sound like an alright strategy?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7567901.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7567901.page GMT Non-Cheese Eldar
Autarchs aren't amazing beatsticks. They do some damage, bit they're mikes below a basic captain.

My Hawks assault occasionally when they outnumber Guardsmen or similar, but don't expect even a powersword exarch to do much in CC.

For non-cheese Eldar, stick to one selection of any given unit, with no more bodies than come in a single box. Its a remarkably effective way to build a casual list. Almost anything works.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7567951.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7567951.page GMT Non-Cheese Eldar OP, or competitive as soon as you drop the Scatter Laser for another option.

Not that your opponents will get it though, most whiners are just "eldar OP WS OP and they don't even know why".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7567983.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7567983.page GMT Non-Cheese Eldar http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7568176.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7568176.page GMT Non-Cheese Eldar
 Jancoran wrote:
false modesty will not avail you. 60". Nuff said.


Come on.

60" is worth it in Apoc games, but it's near pointless in most 40K games, and then you have to be able to fire the other weapon you put on the Wave Serpent, which is going to be either 24, 36 or 48.

Really, if you're shooting at 60", you're not making good use of it and cannot qualify as competitive, cheesy or OP anyway.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7568405.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7568405.page GMT Non-Cheese Eldar 40k army list section. Only 2 serpents and you can immediately see they aren't just for shooting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7568468.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7568468.page GMT Non-Cheese Eldar
morgoth wrote:
 Jancoran wrote:
false modesty will not avail you. 60". Nuff said.


Come on.

60" is worth it in Apoc games, but it's near pointless in most 40K games, and then you have to be able to fire the other weapon you put on the Wave Serpent, which is going to be either 24, 36 or 48.

Really, if you're shooting at 60", you're not making good use of it and cannot qualify as competitive, cheesy or OP anyway.


Uh...sure man.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7568549.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7568549.page GMT Non-Cheese Eldar
It does come in handle, but the situations are I think limited.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7568578.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7568578.page GMT Non-Cheese Eldar ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7568594.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/634322/7568594.page GMT Non-Cheese Eldar OP.


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