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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/54.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15 http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/565315/Scientists-at-Large-Hadron-Collider-hope-to-make-contact-with-PARALLEL-UNIVERSE-in-days

For the work blocked:

The staggeringly complex LHC ‘atom smasher’ at the CERN centre in Geneva, Switzerland, will be fired up to its highest energy levels ever in a bid to detect - or even create - miniature black holes.

If successful a completely new universe will be revealed – rewriting not only the physics books but the philosophy books too.

It is even possible that gravity from our own universe may ‘leak’ into this parallel universe, scientists at the LHC say.

The experiment is sure to inflame alarmist critics of the LHC, many of whom initially warned the high energy particle collider would spell the end of our universe with the creation a black hole of its own.

But so far Geneva remains intact and comfortably outside the event horizon.

Indeed the LHC has been spectacularly successful. First scientists proved the existence of the elusive Higgs boson ‘God particle’ - a key building block of the universe - and it is seemingly well on the way to nailing ‘dark matter’ - a previously undetectable theoretical possibility that is now thought to make up the majority of matter in the universe.

But next week’s experiment is considered to be a game changer.

Mir Faizal, one of the three-strong team of physicists behind the experiment, said: “Just as many parallel sheets of paper, which are two dimensional objects [breadth and length] can exist in a third dimension [height], parallel universes can also exist in higher dimensions.

“We predict that gravity can leak into extra dimensions, and if it does, then miniature black holes can be produced at the LHC.

"Normally, when people think of the multiverse, they think of the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, where every possibility is actualised.

"This cannot be tested and so it is philosophy and not science.

“This is not what we mean by parallel universes. What we mean is real universes in extra dimensions.
“As gravity can flow out of our universe into the extra dimensions, such a model can be tested by the detection of mini black holes at the LHC.

“We have calculated the energy at which we expect to detect these mini black holes in ‘gravity's rainbow’ [a new scientific theory].

“If we do detect mini black holes at this energy, then we will know that both gravity's rainbow and extra dimensions are correct."

When the LHC is fired up the energy is measured in Tera electron volts – a TeV is 1,000,000,000,000, or one trillion, electron Volts

So far, the LHC has searched for mini black holes at energy levels below 5.3 TeV.

But the latest study says this is too low.

Instead, the model predicts that black holes may form at energy levels of at least 9.5 TeV in six dimensions and 11.9 TeV in 10 dimensions.

Scary stuff if you think about it.

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Frazzled wrote:
The of the world brought to you by bureaucrats in Geneva.

Great to see an example of US new-think, of scientists as "bureaucrats." A philosophy in which you'd rather entrust the future of humanity to career politicians and TV talking heads.

The original story is fairly nonsensical, but that's what you expect from science reporting in today's Daily Express.

For those actually interested in modern physics, or philosopy, there's an amazing movie in which Mark Oliver Everett, front-man of the Eels, tries to understand the work of his father, who first suggested the multiple universes theory. Everett was widely derided, but his work has not been debunked, and it's fascinating to see it figures in the latest CERN experiments. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694328.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694328.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15
++HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS++]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694335.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694335.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

Frazzled wrote:
The of the world brought to you by bureaucrats in Geneva.

Assuming the missing word there is "end"?

So now scientists working at the most high-tech scientific research establishment in the world, at the forefront of understanding the universe we inhabit, are redefined as bureaucrats?

And you also trust the Daily Express to not use hyperbole, exaggeration and outright scaremongering? I mean, the only thing worse than the Daily Express is the Daily Mail... I hope that is just because the reputation of the Daily Express just hasn't crossed the Pond.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694345.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694345.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

Great to see an example of US new-think, of scientists as "bureaucrats." A philosophy in which you'd rather entrust the future of humanity to career politicians and TV talking heads.

You think scientists aren't bureaucrats? You trust the guys who brought us such joys as nuclear fallout and toxic chemical clouds and shelter in place? You trust...people? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694356.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694356.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

Frazzled wrote:

You think scientists aren't bureaucrats? You trust the guys who brought us such joys as nuclear fallout and toxic chemical clouds and shelter in place? You trust...people?

I don't trust people who try to demean those doing valuable work with cheap propaganda terms.

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IF they were to create a black hole, and that's a gigantically serious if, the life span of such would be the barest fraction of a second before Hawking radiation depleted it.

The idea that some artificial black hole will kill us all is just an ignorant witch-doctor level of hype.

Plus, to have massive gravity, you need lots of mass -- like several times that of our sun. These micro-singularities won't attract squat.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694371.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694371.page GMT Re:LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15 Seems as the big bang was a large enough explosion to be larger than light has managed to travel in however much time it has been traveling, I dont really want to be anywhere near people screwing around with the physics behind it (not that I have a choice).

On the other side, if they do manage to destroy our universe or atleast our planet, there wont be be any accountability for it, so lets throw caution to the wind and do some science!

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Man eating big lizard comes out. Women takes over the world]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694375.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694375.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

You think scientists aren't bureaucrats? You trust the guys who brought us such joys as nuclear fallout and toxic chemical clouds and shelter in place? You trust...people?

I don't trust people who try to demean those doing valuable work with cheap propaganda terms.

How is it valuable? Its science welfare. Not one more person will be fed, or clothed, or sheltered.

Not like us saints of the world, bankers. Our lives are marked by goodness and charitable works. Who else would loan you the shirt off his back? Just us, the humble banker. Its what we do. Its how we roll.

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Zad Fnark wrote:
Guys...

IF they were to create a black hole, and that's a gigantically serious if, the life span of such would be the barest fraction of a second before Hawking radiation depleted it.

The idea that some artificial black hole will kill us all is just an ignorant witch-doctor level of hype.

Plus, to have massive gravity, you need lots of mass -- like several times that of our sun. These micro-singularities won't attract squat.

Well what if I provide you a list first. Can we just take out the people on the list?

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Man eating big lizard comes out.

Does it taste like chicken?

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Yodhrin wrote:
"Science welfare" - are you being serious? You Poe up the place so often now I actually can't tell when you're honestly trying to discuss a topic or just trying to mess with everyone.

Of course I'm being serious. Its about time we finally address the science-industrial welfare program. No other group of welfare queens get so many handouts from the government. Do you realize, since the 30s how much federal and state money has gone to these layabouts? They don't build bridges. They don't grow crops. They just sit around in their nice air conditioned labs "doing research." Yea we know what they're doing. They're doing us, average Joe sixpack taxpayer.

I say...two years of support then you're out! Get a job!

Now they're threatening to get my Boy. he always was pretty lazy, but now he's found out about this easy living gravy train too. Starting this summer my Boy, who once was a fine upstanding citizen, is going to be just a...science bum. He's too good for work. No he's going to help scientists "do research" into "mapping human protein contact points" so "we can fix all genetic diseases" blah blah more pie in the sky welfare nonsense. Get a job you layabouts!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694432.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694432.page GMT Re:LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694438.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694438.page GMT Re:LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

angelofvengeance wrote:
So are you saying scientists don't contribute to society? It feels that way. Who do you think developed that laptop/desktop computer/tablet you're sat in front of?

More hippy nonsense. That was hard working short sleeve white shirt engineers. Hard working fellows, and I mean fellows all.

Not like those lazy scientists. Pfft. Walking around in your lab coats and black sweaters smoking your pipes all hooity toighty like. Its like an entire group of super hipsters with their google glasses and their laser beams and their micro breweries. Back in my day we called 'em stills and they worked by the working man!

On topic but am I the only one who sees that pic and thinks the lab in the original Tron?
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Loot it for da orks

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Orlanth wrote:

Loot it for da orks

Thats both scary and epic cool.
Might that be how the first Shokk Attack Gun was developed? We're through the looking glass here people. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694453.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694453.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

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Frazzled wrote:

Not like those lazy scientists. Pfft. Walking around in your lab coats and black sweaters smoking your pipes all hooity toighty like.

I understand. It can be hard to get through life knowing there are people around much cleverer than you

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Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Not like those lazy scientists. Pfft. Walking around in your lab coats and black sweaters smoking your pipes all hooity toighty like.

I understand. It can be hard to get through life knowing there are people around much cleverer than you

Neanderthal Frazzled has a solution. Its called beat big brainz with rockx. Neanderthal Frazzled stronger!

What kind of juice does this colossus use to power up? Are they hooked to a nuculear reactor or the local grid? That'd be a bummer if you're brewing up some coffee and the power goes off. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694461.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694461.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

djones520 wrote:
You guys are getting trolled so hard right now.

No way. This is a forum for serious philosophical and scientific debate, right here. Proof that mankind is on an upward incline.
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What if someone looks through the peep hole and sees Yakface staring back at them? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694629.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694629.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

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o.O

Time to stock up your armoury.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694662.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694662.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

Ratbarf wrote:
I really hope those eggheads keep a plethora of crowbars handy.

The facility housing the LHC needs to be renamed "Black Mesa".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694696.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694696.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15
But folks should have contingencies and plans in place beforehand.

Instead of having to react to a full scale invasion of our Bizzaro selves 10 minutes after it happens....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694713.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694713.page GMT Re:LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15
But yeah, someone should have a marine batallion on ready. Just in case...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694721.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694721.page GMT Re:LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

TheCustomLime wrote:
Wow, this is amazing. Imagine how changed our understanding of reality would be of they really did find other Universes.

Problem is, what if they let something through into our universe? Say... an actual frickin' Daemon of the Warp lol.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694724.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694724.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

KiloFiX wrote:
I don't mind pushing the envelope.

But folks should have contingencies and plans in place beforehand.

Instead of having to react to a full scale invasion of our Bizzaro selves 10 minutes after it happens....

Bizzaro Frazzled...scary indeed...or is it... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694725.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694725.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

Frazzled wrote:

KiloFiX wrote:
I don't mind pushing the envelope.

But folks should have contingencies and plans in place beforehand.

Instead of having to react to a full scale invasion of our Bizzaro selves 10 minutes after it happens....

Bizzaro Frazzled...scary indeed...or is it...

I had thought the Bizzarro Frazzled would be a teddy bear.

Kidding, kidding....

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angelofvengeance wrote:

TheCustomLime wrote:
Wow, this is amazing. Imagine how changed our understanding of reality would be of they really did find other Universes.

Problem is, what if they let something through into our universe? Say... an actual frickin' Daemon of the Warp lol.

Hey now, why does it have to be a bad thing that comes out of the interdimensional door? You never know, maybe hot alien space babes who are "interested" in our universe's culture will pop through.

On a serious note do people still think the LHC can produce black holes large enough to threaten earth? I think that was debunked years ago.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694762.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694762.page GMT Re:LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

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Unfortunately you generally can't tell if something is a outside context problem until you've already been lying under small-pox blankets for a couple of weeks and old man Taxlici Jaguar-bone has a nasty cough.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694780.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694780.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

Frazzled wrote:

KiloFiX wrote:
I don't mind pushing the envelope.

But folks should have contingencies and plans in place beforehand.

Instead of having to react to a full scale invasion of our Bizzaro selves 10 minutes after it happens....

Bizzaro Frazzled...scary indeed...or is it...

Bizzaro Frazzled, Lover of Cats.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694797.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694797.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

Platuan4th wrote:
It's less a doorway and more a peep hole.

What if it ends up becoming a glory hole?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694798.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694798.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

Oh god.
BizzaroVerviedi...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694815.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694815.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694829.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694829.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15 TO THREE!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694836.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7694836.page GMT Re:LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

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But texans said, no thanks, we have god, he lives here. We don't need those sciency folk here with their liberal ideas and driving out the creationist folk.

So texas lost out and it got moved and now their missing out on all the discoveries coming from it. Just think a second, the god particle was almost discovered in texas. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7695010.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7695010.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

sirlynchmob wrote:
Fraz is just upset because it was originally going to be built in texas.

But texans said, no thanks, we have god, he lives here. We don't need those sciency folk here with their liberal ideas and driving out the creationist folk.

So texas lost out and it got moved and now their missing out on all the discoveries coming from it. Just think a second, the god particle was almost discovered in texas.

No self respecting Texan would permit a mere particle to exist here. Everything's bigger in Texas, including our Saturn boosters.
Texas the only state to have its own airforce and rocket fleet.

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Slarg232 wrote:
In alternate dimension, VALVE CAN COUNT TO THREE!

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Frazzled wrote:
I just want it open enough to let slow zombies through.

I thought we were supposed to say "speed challenged" these days?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7695395.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7695395.page GMT Re:LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15
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Zad Fnark wrote:
Guys...

IF they were to create a black hole, and that's a gigantically serious if, the life span of such would be the barest fraction of a second before Hawking radiation depleted it.

The idea that some artificial black hole will kill us all is just an ignorant witch-doctor level of hype.

Plus, to have massive gravity, you need lots of mass -- like several times that of our sun. These micro-singularities won't attract squat.

Exactly. Black holes and their 'power' is dictated by the mass of the matter they are created with. 'Common' black holes are stupendously strong because stars have an equally stupendous amount of matter and gravity. You are never going to have a microscopic black hole grow to huge proportions and suck in the Earth.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7695908.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7695908.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

AegisGrimm wrote:

Zad Fnark wrote:
Guys...

IF they were to create a black hole, and that's a gigantically serious if, the life span of such would be the barest fraction of a second before Hawking radiation depleted it.

The idea that some artificial black hole will kill us all is just an ignorant witch-doctor level of hype.

Plus, to have massive gravity, you need lots of mass -- like several times that of our sun. These micro-singularities won't attract squat.

Exactly. Black holes and their 'power' is dictated by the mass of the matter they are created with. 'Common' black holes are stupendously strong because stars have an exual.y stupendous amount of matter and gravity. You are never going to have a microscopic black hole grow to huge proportions and suck in the Earth.

You say that without measuring the full power of this battle station er...Lupe Tortillas. Those welfare queen scientists better not cross the streams of the flux capacitors while eating TexMex. The results would be...unnatural. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7695931.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7695931.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

Dreadclaw69 wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:
It's less a doorway and more a peep hole.

What if it ends up becoming a glory hole?

In the warp, Slaanesh smiled]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7695946.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7695946.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

VorpalBunny74 wrote:

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:
It's less a doorway and more a peep hole.

What if it ends up becoming a glory hole?

In the warp, Slaanesh smiled

I hope they have a contigency plan incase Slaaneshi penis monsters start coming through the portal.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7695973.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7695973.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

Alex C wrote:
I hope they have a contigency plan incase Slaaneshi penis monsters start coming through the portal.

'LHC scientists halt work to invent Gellar Field']]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7696009.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7696009.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

Frazzled wrote:

AegisGrimm wrote:
Zad Fnark wrote:
Guys...

IF they were to create a black hole, and that's a gigantically serious if, the life span of such would be the barest fraction of a second before Hawking radiation depleted it.

The idea that some artificial black hole will kill us all is just an ignorant witch-doctor level of hype.

Plus, to have massive gravity, you need lots of mass -- like several times that of our sun. These micro-singularities won't attract squat.

Exactly. Black holes and their 'power' is dictated by the mass of the matter they are created with. 'Common' black holes are stupendously strong because stars have an exual.y stupendous amount of matter and gravity. You are never going to have a microscopic black hole grow to huge proportions and suck in the Earth.

You can't compare TexMex with black holes, thats apples and oranges, suck versus blow.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7696025.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7696025.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7696047.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7696047.page GMT Re:LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7696190.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7696190.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

Frazzled wrote:

Yodhrin wrote:
"Science welfare" - are you being serious? You Poe up the place so often now I actually can't tell when you're honestly trying to discuss a topic or just trying to mess with everyone.

Just on this one, i thought scientists were hard at work on the growing crops thing? Isn't monsanto famous for what they do in that field?

Back to the black hole, I'm no expect on black holes, but the idea of creating them doesn't strike me as a good idea. Yeah i see someone saying that hawking will shoot radiation at it to shut it down, but really? Its a bit like creating controlled nuclear energy, its all good until fukashima happens, or 3 mile island, or chernobyl, etc etc. We know the consequences of a nuclear disaster, are we trying to discover the consequences of a black hole disaster?

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On the other hand, Frazz is always going to be the master. ALWAYS.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7696872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7696872.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15 And we ended up in the boring universe]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7697148.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7697148.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

hotsauceman1 wrote:
What if we find out that all fictional universes are actually real, and writers are latent psychics that can tell the story of other universes.
And we ended up in the boring universe

What if writers are gods capable of constructing this universes through the act of writing about them?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7698119.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7698119.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7698221.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7698221.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

Iron_Captain wrote:
So... When are they going to build a portal to those other dimensions? I want to see the creepy cthulhu things.

I'd rather be one

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daedalus wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:
What if we find out that all fictional universes are actually real, and writers are latent psychics that can tell the story of other universes.
And we ended up in the boring universe

What if writers are gods capable of constructing this universes through the act of writing about them?

That was a good movie.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7699251.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7699251.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

d-usa wrote:

daedalus wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
What if we find out that all fictional universes are actually real, and writers are latent psychics that can tell the story of other universes.
And we ended up in the boring universe

What if writers are gods capable of constructing this universes through the act of writing about them?

That was a good movie.

I was thinking the Myst book at first, but it was a good movie.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7699305.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7699305.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

daedalus wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:
What if we find out that all fictional universes are actually real, and writers are latent psychics that can tell the story of other universes.
And we ended up in the boring universe

What if writers are gods capable of constructing this universes through the act of writing about them?

But what if those writers/Animators suddenly get heart attacks?

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daedalus wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:
What if we find out that all fictional universes are actually real, and writers are latent psychics that can tell the story of other universes.
And we ended up in the boring universe

What if writers are gods capable of constructing this universes through the act of writing about them?

Have you ever talked to a writer, they already think they are god.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7700393.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7700393.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7701515.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7701515.page GMT Re:LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15
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daedalus wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:
What if we find out that all fictional universes are actually real, and writers are latent psychics that can tell the story of other universes.
And we ended up in the boring universe

What if writers are gods capable of constructing this universes through the act of writing about them?

Well. I owe a couple of my universes apologies. Like. Wow. Gonna have to go on a goodwill tour "I'll write a sequel with less misery and pain for you all! I am so terribly sorry!"

In other news, I am loading my magazines in anticipation of getting to play Doom 3 IRL]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7703131.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7703131.page GMT Re:LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

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Torga_DW wrote:

Back to the black hole, I'm no expect on black holes, but the idea of creating them doesn't strike me as a good idea. Yeah i see someone saying that hawking will shoot radiation at it to shut it down, but really?

I uh...I cant tell if you are being serious or not

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KingCracker wrote:
I'm cool with what they can do with the LHC but I dunno about actually making black holes.

These black holes would be so incredibly small and live such short lives they would be physically incapable of destroying, well, anything. Not to mention there's some theories that, if true, would mean that we are already surrounded by black holes on a daily basis without being nommed.

If you're going to be scared about cataclysmic disasters sourced from outer space, I'd worry more about a supernovae or quasar going off nearby us and instantly killing all life on earth without us ever even having a warning or know what exactly killed us. LHC creating black holes isn't even an issue, as they would lack the mass to even exist for a second.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7703405.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7703405.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

Frazzled wrote:

Great to see an example of US new-think, of scientists as "bureaucrats." A philosophy in which you'd rather entrust the future of humanity to career politicians and TV talking heads.

You think scientists aren't bureaucrats? You trust the guys who brought us such joys as nuclear fallout and toxic chemical clouds and shelter in place? You trust...people?

I trust scientists more than I trust politicians (i.e., lawyers and businessmen: professional BS'ers who contribute nothing tangible to the advancement of mankind)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7705272.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7705272.page GMT Re:LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15 http://home.web.cern.ch/about/updates/2015/04/cern-researchers-confirm-existence-force

Researchers at the Large Hadron Collider just recently started testing the accelerator for running at the higher energy of 13 TeV, and already they have found new insights into the fundamental structure of the universe. Though four fundamental forces – the strong force, the weak force, the electromagnetic force and gravity – have been well documented and confirmed in experiments over the years, CERN announced today the first unequivocal evidence for the Force. “Very impressive, this result is,” said a diminutive green spokesperson for the laboratory.

“The Force is what gives a particle physicist his powers,” said CERN theorist Ben Kenobi of the University of Mos Eisley, Tatooine. “It’s an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us; and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together.”
Though researchers are as yet unsure what exactly causes the Force, students and professors at the laboratory have already started to harness its power. Practical applications so far include long-distance communication, influencing minds, and lifting heavy things out of swamps.
Kenobi says he first started teaching the ways of the Force to a young lady who was having trouble revising for her particle-physics exams. "She said that I was her only hope," says Kenobi. "So I just kinda took it from there. I designed an experiment to detect the Force, and passed on my knowledge."
Kenobi's seminal paper "May the Force be with EU" – a strong argument that his experiment should be built in Europe – persuaded the CERN Council to finance the installation of dozens of new R2 units for the CERN data centre*. These plucky little droids are helping physicists to cope with the flood of data from the laboratory's latest experiment, the Thermodynamic Injection Energy (TIE) detector, recently installed at the LHC.
"We're very pleased with this new addition to CERN's accelerator complex," said data analyst Luke Daniels of human-cyborg relations. "The TIE detector has provided us with plenty of action, and what's more it makes a really cool sound when the beams shoot out of it."
But the research community is divided over the discovery. Dark-matter researcher Dave Vader was unimpressed, breathing heavily in disgust throughout the press conference announcing the results, and dismissing the cosmological implications of the Force with the quip "Asteroids do not concern me".
Rumours are growing that this rogue researcher hopes to delve into the Dark Side of the Standard Model, and could even build his own research station some day. With the academic community split, many are tempted by Vader's invitations to study the Dark Side, especially researchers working with red lasers, and anyone really with an evil streak who looks good in dark robes.
"We hope to continue to study the Force, and perhaps use it to open doors with our minds and fly around and stuff," said TIE experimentalist Fan Buoi. "Right now, to be honest, I don't really care how it works. The theory department have some crackpot idea about life forms called midi-chlorians, but frankly I think that poorly thought out explanations like that just detract from how cool the Force really is."
With the research ongoing, many at CERN are already predicting that the Force will awaken later this year.
*Sources close to the Data Centre later revealed that these were not the droids they were looking for.

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reds8n wrote:
http://home.web.cern.ch/about/updates/2015/04/cern-researchers-confirm-existence-force

Researchers at the Large Hadron Collider just recently started testing the accelerator for running at the higher energy of 13 TeV, and already they have found new insights into the fundamental structure of the universe. Though four fundamental forces – the strong force, the weak force, the electromagnetic force and gravity – have been well documented and confirmed in experiments over the years, CERN announced today the first unequivocal evidence for the Force. “Very impressive, this result is,” said a diminutive green spokesperson for the laboratory.

“The Force is what gives a particle physicist his powers,” said CERN theorist Ben Kenobi of the University of Mos Eisley, Tatooine. “It’s an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us; and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together.”
Though researchers are as yet unsure what exactly causes the Force, students and professors at the laboratory have already started to harness its power. Practical applications so far include long-distance communication, influencing minds, and lifting heavy things out of swamps.
Kenobi says he first started teaching the ways of the Force to a young lady who was having trouble revising for her particle-physics exams. "She said that I was her only hope," says Kenobi. "So I just kinda took it from there. I designed an experiment to detect the Force, and passed on my knowledge."
Kenobi's seminal paper "May the Force be with EU" – a strong argument that his experiment should be built in Europe – persuaded the CERN Council to finance the installation of dozens of new R2 units for the CERN data centre*. These plucky little droids are helping physicists to cope with the flood of data from the laboratory's latest experiment, the Thermodynamic Injection Energy (TIE) detector, recently installed at the LHC.
"We're very pleased with this new addition to CERN's accelerator complex," said data analyst Luke Daniels of human-cyborg relations. "The TIE detector has provided us with plenty of action, and what's more it makes a really cool sound when the beams shoot out of it."
But the research community is divided over the discovery. Dark-matter researcher Dave Vader was unimpressed, breathing heavily in disgust throughout the press conference announcing the results, and dismissing the cosmological implications of the Force with the quip "Asteroids do not concern me".
Rumours are growing that this rogue researcher hopes to delve into the Dark Side of the Standard Model, and could even build his own research station some day. With the academic community split, many are tempted by Vader's invitations to study the Dark Side, especially researchers working with red lasers, and anyone really with an evil streak who looks good in dark robes.
"We hope to continue to study the Force, and perhaps use it to open doors with our minds and fly around and stuff," said TIE experimentalist Fan Buoi. "Right now, to be honest, I don't really care how it works. The theory department have some crackpot idea about life forms called midi-chlorians, but frankly I think that poorly thought out explanations like that just detract from how cool the Force really is."
With the research ongoing, many at CERN are already predicting that the Force will awaken later this year.
*Sources close to the Data Centre later revealed that these were not the droids they were looking for.

April 1st I love this day.

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Wyzilla wrote:

KingCracker wrote:
I'm cool with what they can do with the LHC but I dunno about actually making black holes.

I hope you're right because I won't get an I told you so

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I this experiment confirms proof of other dimensions, then Frazz has to face the possibility that in another dimension, there exists a version of the USA with no 2nd amendment, a USA where Texas has turned Communist, and a world where weiner dogs were hunted to extinction by cats

I think he's afraid these dangerous ideas may filter through to us

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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I think Frazz is scared, and when you think about it, who can blame him.

I this experiment confirms proof of other dimensions, then Frazz has to face the possibility that in another dimension, there exists a version of the USA with no 2nd amendment, a USA where Texas has turned Communist, and a world where weiner dogs were hunted to extinction by cats

I think he's afraid these dangerous ideas may filter through to us

Incorrect. I'm not afraid of other dimensions.

Other dimensions are afraid of Me.

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Ratius wrote:
Knowing our luck, they'll contact something but it'll be big, green, full of dakka and looking for a fight.....

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Alex C wrote:
Did anything come of this?

We don't have collisions yet.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7741379.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7741379.page GMT Re:LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7741430.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7741430.page GMT Re:LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7742375.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7742375.page GMT LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7742521.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7742521.page GMT Re:LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

Best get a crowbar as well.

Good morning and welcome to the LHC Transit System. This automated train is provided for the security and convenience of the LHC Research Facility personnel. The time is 8:47 AM. Current topside temperature is 93 degrees with an estimated high of 105. The LHC Compound is maintained at a pleasant 68 degrees at all times.....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7742890.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7742890.page GMT Re:LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

Ratius wrote:

Best get a crowbar as well.

B.S.

They'd never measure temperature in Farenheit at the LHC...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7763239.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/641352/7763239.page GMT