LHC Scientists attempting to make contact with a parallel universe w/c 30/03/15

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**angelofvengeance**

Story:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/565315/Scientists-at-Large-Hadron-Collider-hope-to-make-contact-with-PARALLEL-UNIVERSE-in-days

For the work blocked:

The staggeringly complex LHC ‘atom smasher’ at the CERN centre in Geneva, Switzerland, will be fired up to its highest energy levels ever in a bid to detect - or even create - miniature black holes.

If successful a completely new universe will be revealed – rewriting not only the physics books but the philosophy books too.

It is even possible that gravity from our own universe may ‘leak’ into this parallel universe, scientists at the LHC say.

The experiment is sure to inflame alarmist critics of the LHC, many of whom initially warned the high energy particle collider would spell the end of our universe with the creation a black hole of its own.

But so far Geneva remains intact and comfortably outside the event horizon.

Indeed the LHC has been spectacularly successful. First scientists proved the existence of the elusive Higgs boson ‘God particle’ - a key building block of the universe - and it is seemingly well on the way to nailing ‘dark matter’ - a previously undetectable theoretical possibility that is now thought to make up the majority of matter in the universe.

But next week’s experiment is considered to be a game changer.

Mir Faizal, one of the three-strong team of physicists behind the experiment, said: “Just as many parallel sheets of paper, which are two dimensional objects [breadth and length] can exist in a third dimension [height], parallel universes can also exist in higher dimensions.

“We predict that gravity can leak into extra dimensions, and if it does, then miniature black holes can be produced at the LHC.

"Normally, when people think of the multiverse, they think of the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, where every possibility is actualised.

"This cannot be tested and so it is philosophy and not science.

“This is not what we mean by parallel universes. What we mean is real universes in extra dimensions.
“As gravity can flow out of our universe into the extra dimensions, such a model can be tested by the detection of mini black holes at the LHC.

“We have calculated the energy at which we expect to detect these mini black holes in ‘gravity's rainbow’ [a new scientific theory].

“If we do detect mini black holes at this energy, then we will know that both gravity's rainbow and extra dimensions are correct."

When the LHC is fired up the energy is measured in Tera electron volts – a TeV is 1,000,000,000,000, or one trillion, electron Volts

So far, the LHC has searched for mini black holes at energy levels below 5.3 TeV.

But the latest study says this is too low.

Instead, the model predicts that black holes may form at energy levels of at least 9.5 TeV in six dimensions and 11.9 TeV in 10 dimensions.

Scary stuff if you think about it.

**Frazzled**

The of the world brought to you by bureaucrats in Geneva.

**KingCracker**

I'm cool with what they can do with the LHC but I dunno about actually making black holes.

**Hivefleet Oblivion**

Frazzled wrote:
The of the world brought to you by bureaucrats in Geneva.

Great to see an example of US new-think, of scientists as "bureaucrats." A philosophy in which you'd rather entrust the future of humanity to career politicians and TV talking heads.

The original story is fairly nonsensical, but that's what you expect from science reporting in today's Daily Express.

For those actually interested in modern physics, or philosopy, there's an amazing movie in which Mark Oliver Everett, front-man of the Eels, tries to understand the work of his father, who first suggested the multiple universes theory. Everett was widely derided, but his work has not been debunked, and it's fascinating to see it figures in the latest CERN experiments.

**angelofvengeance**

Not a Daily Express fan but it was the first thing to crop up on Facebook.

++HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS++

**Fifty**

Frazzled wrote:
The of the world brought to you by bureaucrats in Geneva.

Assuming the missing word there is "end"?

So now scientists working at the most high-tech scientific research establishment in the world, at the forefront of understanding the universe we inhabit, are redefined as bureaucrats?

And you also trust the Daily Express to not use hyperbole, exaggeration and outright scaremongering? I mean, the only thing worse than the Daily Express is the Daily Mail... I hope that is just because the reputation of the Daily Express just hasn't crossed the Pond.

**Frazzled**

Great to see an example of US new-think, of scientists as "bureaucrats." A philosophy in which you'd rather entrust the future of humanity to career politicians and TV talking heads.

You think scientists aren't bureaucrats? You trust the guys who brought us such joys as nuclear fallout and toxic chemical clouds and shelter in place? You trust...people?

**Hivefleet Oblivion**

Frazzled wrote:

You think scientists aren't bureaucrats? You trust the guys who brought us such joys as nuclear fallout and toxic chemical clouds and shelter in place? You trust...people?

I don't trust people who try to demean those doing valuable work with cheap propaganda terms.

**Zad Fnark**

Guys...

IF they were to create a black hole, and that's a gigantically serious if, the life span of such would be the barest fraction of a second before Hawking radiation depleted it.

The idea that some artificial black hole will kill us all is just an ignorant witch-doctor level of hype.

Plus, to have massive gravity, you need lots of mass -- like several times that of our sun. These micro-singularities won't attract squat.

**Dropbear Victim**

Multiverse theory with the LHC making gateways scares the crap out of me. Obviously I know next to nothing of physics but I always picture opening a link having a chance of being similar to a ship flooding compartment to compartment via open portcullis or opening a door into a building fire and getting the flashover. What if we access a universe full of matter or whatever that comes rushing through. In my head, I see this as a possible explanation of the big bang.
Seems as the big bang was a large enough explosion to be larger than light has managed to travel in however much time it has been traveling, I dont really want to be anywhere near people screwing around with the physics behind it (not that I have a choice).

On the other side, if they do manage to destroy our universe or atleast our planet, there wont be be any accountability for it, so lets throw caution to the wind and do some science!

**Jihadin**

Either a Stargate or Terra Nova. Not sure which.
Jaffa's
Man eating big lizard comes out. Women takes over the world

**Frazzled**

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
Frazzled wrote:

You think scientists aren't bureaucrats? You trust the guys who brought us such joys as nuclear fallout and toxic chemical clouds and shelter in place? You trust...people?

I don't trust people who try to demean those doing valuable work with cheap propaganda terms.

How is it valuable? Its science welfare. Not one more person will be fed, or clothed, or sheltered.

Not like us saints of the world, bankers. Our lives are marked by goodness and charitable works. Who else would loan you the shirt off his back? Just us, the humble banker. Its what we do. Its how we roll.

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Zad Fnark wrote:
Guys...

IF they were to create a black hole, and that's a gigantically serious if, the life span of such would be the barest fraction of a second before Hawking radiation depleted it.

The idea that some artificial black hole will kill us all is just an ignorant witch-doctor level of hype.

Plus, to have massive gravity, you need lots of mass -- like several times that of our sun. These micro-singularities won't attract squat.

Well what if I provide you a list first. Can we just take out the people on the list?

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Man eating big lizard comes out.

Does it taste like chicken?

**mitch_rifle**

Science welfare wow

**Yodhrin**

"Science welfare" - are you being serious? You Poe up the place so often now I actually can't tell when you're honestly trying to discuss a topic or just trying to mess with everyone.

**Frazzled**

Yodhrin wrote:
"Science welfare" - are you being serious? You Poe up the place so often now I actually can't tell when you're honestly trying to discuss a topic or just trying to mess with everyone.

Of course I'm being serious. Its about time we finally address the science-industrial welfare program. No other group of welfare queens get so many handouts from the government. Do you realize, since the 30s how much federal and state money has gone to these layabouts? They don't build bridges. They don't grow crops. They just sit around in their nice air conditioned labs "doing research." Yea we know what they're doing. They're doing us, average Joe sixpack taxpayer.

I say...two years of support then you're out! Get a job!

Now they're threatening to get my Boy. he always was pretty lazy, but now he's found out about this easy living gravy train too. Starting this summer my Boy, who once was a fine upstanding citizen, is going to be just a...science bum. He's too good for work. No he's going to help scientists "do research" into "mapping human protein contact points" so "we can fix all genetic diseases" blah blah more pie in the sky welfare nonsense. Get a job you layabouts!

**angelofvengeance**

So are you saying scientists don't contribute to society? It feels that way. Who do you think developed that laptop/desktop computer/tablet you're sat in front of? That was all pie in the sky until someone made it happen.

**Frazzled**

angelofvengeance wrote:
So are you saying scientists don't contribute to society? It feels that way. Who do you think developed that laptop/desktop computer/tablet you're sat in front of?

More hippy nonsense. That was hard working short sleeve white shirt engineers. Hard working fellows, and I mean fellows all.

Not like those lazy scientists. Pfft. Walking around in your lab coats and black sweaters smoking your pipes all hooity toighty like. Its like an entire group of super hipsters with their google glasses and their laser beams and their micro breweries. Back in my day we called 'em stills and they worked by the working man!

On topic but am I the only one who sees that pic and thinks the lab in the original Tron?

**Orlanth**

Loot it for da orks

**Frazzled**

Orlanth wrote:

Loot it for da orks

Thats both scary and epic cool.
Might that be how the first Shokk Attack Gun was developed? We're through the looking glass here people.

**angelofvengeance**

I'm thinking more of the laser on the Death Star. Though less complete

**Hivefleet Oblivion**

Frazzled wrote:

Not like those lazy scientists. Pfft. Walking around in your lab coats and black sweaters smoking your pipes all hooity toighty like.

I understand. It can be hard to get through life knowing there are people around much cleverer than you

**djones520**

You guys are getting trolled so hard right now.

**Frazzled**

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
Frazzled wrote:

Not like those lazy scientists. Pfft. Walking around in your lab coats and black sweaters smoking your pipes all hooity toighty like.

I understand. It can be hard to get through life knowing there are people around much cleverer than you

Neanderthal Frazzled has a solution. Its called beat big brainz with rockx. Neanderthal Frazzled stronger!

What kind of juice does this colossus use to power up? Are they hooked to a nuculear reactor or the local grid? That'd be a bummer if you're brewing up some coffee and the power goes off.

**Hivefleet Oblivion**

djones520 wrote:
You guys are getting trolled so hard right now.

No way. This is a forum for serious philosophical and scientific debate, right here. Proof that mankind is on an upward incline.

**djones520**

Anyways, the thought of opening a doorway to another universe/dimension brings two thoughts to mind.

**Platuan4th**

It's less a doorway and more a peep hole.

**Frazzled**

But if its a black hole wouldn't it suck your entire body right through the peep hole.

What if someone looks through the peep hole and sees Yakface staring back at them?

**d-usa**

We always need more science!

**Ratbarf**

I really hope those eggheads keep a plethora of crowbars handy.

**whembly**

Have you seen the movie Event Horizon?!?!?!?

o.O

Time to stock up your armoury.