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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Space Wolves against Tau"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Space Wolves against Tau Anything I try to assault with usually dies in Overwatch, what doesn't die gets nuked next turn by his Broadsides/Command squad/Crisis suits

He usually keeps all his nice stuff off the board and stacks squads of fire warriors and pathfinders on the edge of the board until his nice things come in.
I've tried a variety of lists but can't seem to out body him or outright kill him.
I'm also not sure what to prioritize for killing. It seems like the Broadsides are the sure thing, but he stacks Pathfinders right next to them, so anything I assault with gets merced almost instantly.
I lost 200+ points worth of assault termies in over watch before.
Any Space Wolves players out there with advice? We play 1250-1500 point games. I pretty much have access to everything in my codex except for Wolf Scouts.

The only success I had was losing by one victory point after my Thunderlord managed to survive 4 shooting phases, 4ish over watches and killed his command squad, his broadsides and a squad of pathfinders. But the game ended and he won by one VP :/.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7747800.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7747800.page GMT Re:Space Wolves against Tau
Pathfinders (or rather things with marker lights) act as a force multiplier. If you take these out first he looses bs boosts and looses ignores cover for most of his units.

Riptides can be tarpitted.

Tau units with the supporting fire ability (all BUT kroot, vespid, and most of their vehicles) can fire overwatch on an enemy unit charging a friendly unit within 6 inches of the supporting fire unit. This ability does not confer the ability to fire overwatch more than once a turn per unit (so keep track of who has used up their overwatch each turn). Also use sacrificial units to use up overwatch.

Tau don't have a good answer to psychic powers.

If this doesn't help then you need someone with more experience than me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7747853.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7747853.page GMT Re:Space Wolves against Tau LD when he rolls for checks. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7747950.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7747950.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau Not to mention the Crisis suits, Stealth suits and Command squad he deep strikes turn 2-3 which just take out anything and everything.
I don't have enough drop pods to really DEDICATE to a drop pod list, otherwise I could likely table him honestly.
I really want to run more of an assault list over a shooty list, but it seems that's not going to go very well against Tau.
As for psychic powers, which list should I roll for? I could run double Rune Priest with a squad of Grey Hunters each dropped in.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7748742.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7748742.page GMT Re:Space Wolves against Tau http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7748746.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7748746.page GMT Re:Space Wolves against Tau

Co'tor Shas wrote:
If you don't have enough drop pods, you could also ask to proxy some. You would also make some makeshift ones with a few pieces of cut cardstock.

That's true, we don't really mind proxies. But would 5 squads of grey hunters be able to handle Crisis suits and stealth suits that are deep striking?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7748765.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7748765.page GMT Re:Space Wolves against Tau
Watch out for duel plasma rifle crisis suits however, they should be your primary target, especially in mixed units with blast weapons.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7748774.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7748774.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau SW chapter tactic. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7748780.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7748780.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau GH with double plasma guns
Unfortunately with my amazing rolling they almost ALWAYS get hot.
Would melta be a better choice?

And SW Chapter tactics? Are you referring to the Wolves Unleashed Detachment? I wasn't aware SWs had a chapter tactic.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7748797.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7748797.page GMT Re:Space Wolves against Tau wreck crisis suits, wounding on a 2+, ignoring their armour, and instakillling them. Really, it comes down to your preference and your and the opponents playstyle. If he likes to keep his suits at range, then plasma guns are a better choice, but if he likes to get in close and try and get the rapid fire off on plasma rifles, or hit you with fusion blasters, then meltaguns, plus a charge will most likely decimate him, especially if he has a bad boost roll.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7748833.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7748833.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau

maddog99y wrote:
And SW Chapter tactics? Are you referring to the Wolves Unleashed Detachment? I wasn't aware SWs had a chapter tactic.

He probably means counter attack and acute senses.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7748906.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7748906.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau

pm713 wrote:

maddog99y wrote:
And SW Chapter tactics? Are you referring to the Wolves Unleashed Detachment? I wasn't aware SWs had a chapter tactic.

He probably means counter attack and acute senses.

Ahhh gotcha. Which I guess Tau are quite immune to them. Don't see them charging me anytime soon....

But as for the melta/plasma, I might have to play a few more games to see how he plays his suits. His Riptide hasn't come in yet, so I haven't had the honor to deal with that.

I really like the idea of termies against him due to the fact that only his crisis suits and stealth suits have anything to pass their armor save, but I don't have much faith on my saving throws.

I guess the only way honestly is a Drop Pod list or maybe double Land Raider? I also thought about the Stormwolf but our board is so small that its kinda ineffective.
Plus he has the tendency of one shotting Land Raiders with lucky Fusion shots.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7748944.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7748944.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau
Tau have range and anti-vehicle as two major strengths. Drop dem pods of wolves right in his face, guns blazing. A couple squads of GH with flamers can drop lots of rapid fire dakka, and 4 templates. Drop a dreadnought with great wolf claw (or Murderfang) next to some Fire Warriors/Pathfinders and have a tasty snack.

Drop pods eliminate those strengths, allowing you touse yours. TWC with SS may be a viable option as well, for RIPPING AND TEARING. Metal boxes not so much vs Tau.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7750694.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7750694.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau CC with that ++3 save.

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HQ- 235 pts
Rune Priest- Mastery Level 2, Runic Armour, Combi-Flamer
Rune Priest- Mastery Level 2, Runic Armour, Storm-Bolter

Elites- 540 pts
3x Venerable Dreadknought- Blizzard Shield, Great Axe, Drop Pods

Troops- 721 pts
8x Grey Hunter- Flamer, Drop Pod
Wolf Guard Pack Leader- Combi-Flamer
8x Grey Hunter- Flamer, Drop Pod
Wolf Guard Pack Leader- Combi-Flamer
9x Grey Hunter- 2x Flamer, Drop Pod
Wolf Guard Pack Leader- Combi Flamer
5x Grey Hunter- Flamer, Drop Pod
Wolf Guard Pack Leader- Combi Flamer

Basically hope to drop each of the Grey Hunter squads turn 1 to flame out and destroy all of his Fire Warriors, Pathfinders, and maybe take out his Broadsides with the psyker powers. Then turn 2, mop up everything that he brings in from reserves with the rest of my Grey Hunters and whatevers left dies to my Dreads on turn 3. How does that look?

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7751824.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7751824.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau
1. Drop Templates on him. Fire Warriors are venerable to Heavy Flamers like you would not believe.
2. Upgrade Storm Bolters on Drop Pods to those Launcher things.
3. Drop Pods block LOS, even if you drop them empty and walk your Troops. You can even box in Tau tanks with a wall of Drop Pods.
4. Space Wolves OUTFLANK nicely.
5. Bring more cover or place cover in the mid-field to block his LOS more.
6. Place objectives in the midfield so he has to move.
7. Make free cover saves with your lesser infantry units etc.
8. RP powers]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7751846.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7751846.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7751865.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7751865.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau SW, that's likely going to be drop pods anyway.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7751947.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7751947.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau
Tau can mulch pretty mcuh any superunit or deathstar, but it HATES MSU opponents. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7752130.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7752130.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau

BoomWolf wrote:
The best thing against us in listbuilding, is to remember we are VERY good at annialating a juicy target, but we do NOT enjoy small and "worthless" targets as they get us to have issues with marking, and overwatching.

Tau can mulch pretty mcuh any superunit or deathstar, but it HATES MSU opponents.

I can definitely see that now.
His Tau ate both squads of my TWC like they were Fire Warriors themselves.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7752401.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7752401.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau
One problem with Tau overwatch, is that each unit can still only fire once. There have been many times as a Tau player that a unit has HAD to overwatch against a unit because I was being charged, when I would rather use my overwatch shots on something else. Of course, I couldn't just save my overwatch for later because I would be in assault (unless the charge failed, which is not impossible but not something to rely on). I have before made the stupid mistake of not overwatching a unit because I didn't want to waste it on this small unit charging me and I wanted to save it for a larger unit that would be charging second. Then I realized what I'd done when I was locked in combat. It's mistakes like these that you can capitalize on. Force your opponent to make tricky decisions.

It's been mentioned already, but Pathfinders and Fire Warriors have very low toughness (3). Pathfinders NEED cover, as they also have a bad armour save (5+). Fire Warriors are little better with a 4+ save. That is why flamers are just so great, a basic one may only be S4 but it negates everything a Pathfinder can throw in it's way, and against T3 you will roast them. While a bit less common, a Heavy Flamer will be even more effective in comparison against Fire Warriors, because you are negating their better save but now you are roasting T3 models with an improved S5. Flamers are your friend!

And on an additional note....Jaws of the World Wolf! Crush those multi-wound low initiative Tau (Crisis, Broadsides) with it.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7758134.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7758134.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7758503.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7758503.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau TWC moves up the board will have his broadsides really vulnerable.

I would also suggest using normal Termies for their shooting capability after deepstriking. Assault Termies are going to be a huge threat(Also just landed in the middle of our entire gunline) and will be most likely wiped out before they can charge.

When you drop your grey hunters with the flamer try to hit two squads with the template, if hes running minimum squads of FW then they will flee quick. If he is using an Ethereal kill it asap and it gives you 1VP for killing him, dont forget that

Also don't put 2 of your important units close together, he most likely will Deepstrike his commander squad with splitfire on everybody and gun both of them down.

Just give the Tau too many things to shoot at and by turn 3 your should have a few units capable of making charges and you will overwhelm him.
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Ended up never using the dread, my flamer pods just made his Pathfinders disappear both turn 1s, and my TWC always made it into combat turn 2 to make his Fire Warriors go bye bye.
Was fun.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7791731.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7791731.page GMT Re:Space Wolves against Tau ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7791742.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7791742.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7791952.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7791952.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau
And be sure he'll change tactics from now on.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7792028.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7792028.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau
Tau firepower is insane. Like others have said, Drop Pods.

Even with the Pods, you need to be careful not to overextend, and you need to make sure to nuke the targets you intend to nuke. Anything that survives will outmaneuver you and surgically destroy you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7794100.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7794100.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7795496.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7795496.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7795556.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7795556.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau

Hawkeye888 wrote:
Hopefully the tau player doesn't get smart and start running more interceptor...

Well now that you mention it he did say interceptor is going to be a thing against me now haha.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7795611.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7795611.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau
Anything they own can be crushed in close combat, but the approach is extremely difficult unless you can infiltrate or launch A LOT of drop pods right into his lines which would be your best bet.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7795861.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7795861.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau

SGTPozy wrote:
I think we need a thread about how Tau players can have fun against Space Wolves now

Fire warrior spam. Win or lose, you just got to roll 500 dice for overwatch. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7795937.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7795937.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau

gwarsh41 wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
I think we need a thread about how Tau players can have fun against Space Wolves now

Fire warrior spam. Win or lose, you just got to roll 500 dice for overwatch.

Don't remind me........]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7796097.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7796097.page GMT Space Wolves against Tau

gwarsh41 wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
I think we need a thread about how Tau players can have fun against Space Wolves now

Fire warrior spam. Win or lose, you just got to roll 500 dice for overwatch.

Yes, and tucked away neatly in a Void Shield Generator, to reduce incoming fire. And then buffed with a pope and a Cadre. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7796247.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/644384/7796247.page GMT