<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound. "]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/16.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound. DE carry a Haywire Grenade and call it a day. Also, the moment a one-wound Psyker suffers Perils...

Basically, every non-MC character, from Astropaths to that stupid Aspiring Sorcerer should have an extra wound base. The only concern then become the already super-tough characters becoming tougher; while making a Marine Sergeant 2 wounds base or giving a 4th wound to a Warboss are reasonable, making a Chapter Master have 5 wounds is a bit much; then again, Smashfucker is arguably an MC in his own

Any other major concerns that would arise from this?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7782572.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7782572.page GMT Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound. MC.

I like the idea, it'd make alot of IoM armies better ( since we generally have the character+ squad mechanic everywhere)

Would you increase the wounds of things like Tyranids who seldom have characters also to balance it?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7782582.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7782582.page GMT Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound.
(Note, I am not Cruddace)

Serious Answer: Tyranids can use more characters and general rebalancing. Not that characters are actually "personalities" but anything from a Node-Beast ('Gant variant that lets you at the start of each player turn selectively add/subtract 6" for determining if you're in Synapse Range. Do you want Fearless, or G2G?), Alpha Raveners, etc. And for Hivessake, give the Broodlord Flesh Hooks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7782611.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7782611.page GMT Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7782631.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7782631.page GMT Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7782659.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7782659.page GMT Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7782680.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7782680.page GMT Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound. HQ's in CC, they need to pay for an invuln.... 2 wounds means they squish by turn 4 if you do anything other than hide them in the back all game. And while I'm normally fine running a named librarian (I have Ezekiel), I'd generally prefer a terminator or bike librarian that doesn't cost a million points as my warlord.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7783028.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7783028.page GMT Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound.
 MagicJuggler wrote:
For a game about forging narratives and larger-than-life heroics, a lot of characters just die too fast. At one wound apiece, many Marine sergeants just aren't worth equipping with anything more than a combi-weapon or meltabombs, while DE carry a Haywire Grenade and call it a day. Also, the moment a one-wound Psyker suffers Perils...

Basically, every non-MC character, from Astropaths to that stupid Aspiring Sorcerer should have an extra wound base. The only concern then become the already super-tough characters becoming tougher; while making a Marine Sergeant 2 wounds base or giving a 4th wound to a Warboss are reasonable, making a Chapter Master have 5 wounds is a bit much; then again, Smashfucker is arguably an MC in his own

Any other major concerns that would arise from this?


Smashfucker aside (not that he's as much of a problem as anyone says he is), I think 5W chapter masters in general would be an issue. Now I am a fan of 2W sergeants. This would go well with making challenges more viable since my Veteran sergeant could actually survive a round of combat. Perhaps amend the OP with a hard cap at 4?

The above is only a concern for beatsticks, though. 3W stock librarians are a little much and the special characters that already have 3W would feel too strong i think. I kind of think a support HQ should stay fragile or else beatstick melee bosses become less cool because a librarian or a chaplain does the same job while also buffing other units for less points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7784015.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7784015.page GMT Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7784493.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7784493.page GMT Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound.
chanceafs wrote:
Honestly I would just keep it simpler than that... instead of worrying about all the multi-wound characters getting worse, I would just say that all 1 wound characters should have at least 2 instead. Anything that has 2+ wounds already is fine to stay as it is... but giving those sargeants that extra umph would be well worth it.


And what you just did by doing that is to NERF every army that already had 2 wound Sergeants equivalents. My Ork Nob is special because he has 2 wounds, something most of his opponents don't have. So when you buff everyone else and leave out certain units you are basically nerfing them. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7784716.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7784716.page GMT Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound. -Warlocks should probably be excepted, too. They are rank-and-file psykers, basically.
-Troup Masters should get the bonus. They are effectively the HQ choice. Still IDed on S6, too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7784875.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7784875.page GMT Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7784920.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7784920.page GMT Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound. hp.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7785470.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7785470.page GMT Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound.
The real shock would be how silly vet squads would become with that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7785528.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7785528.page GMT Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound.
 MagicJuggler wrote:
Exarches probably could be exceptioned from it. I feel that Warlocks should get an extra wound, simply because 7th did a good job making Perils a *lot* more common compared to previous editions.



I would not mind a Dawn of War 2-esque Warlock hero who blends melee ability with psychic offense.

Unlikely to happen, sadly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7785570.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7785570.page GMT Re:Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound. EW entirely. It doesn't matter how heroic you are, a direct hit from a titan's main gun is still going to kill you. But now at least you're not dying as easily from random flashlights.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7785671.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7785671.page GMT Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7785863.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7785863.page GMT Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7785882.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7785882.page GMT Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound.
If you want to increase the number of wounds to create a better narrative then increase the wounds on everything. Not every but but -.

MC are not "broken" inherently in such a way that everything else in the game should be harder to kill but them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7791696.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7791696.page GMT Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound.
Lance845 wrote:
I think everything in the game as far as number of hits go is balanced against each other fairly well (in that one respect. They are NOT balanced in other respects).

If you want to increase the number of wounds to create a better narrative then increase the wounds on everything. Not every but but -.

MC are not "broken" inherently in such a way that everything else in the game should be harder to kill but them.


It's less "everything else in the game," and more, "a single model in some squads."

Personally, I like the idea of boosting all 1W characters to 2W. It gives them a little buffer against that first lucky shot/punch, but they'll still drop reasonably fast to any serious threats. It's "lasgun insurance."

As for Nobs, they're currently T4, right? Or are they T5? If they're T4, how about leaving their wounds unchanged but upping their T to 5? Makes them just slightly harder to hurt in challenges and such, but also makes them immune to powerfist insta-gibbing and leaves them relatively durable compared to their peers. You're right about it probably being a poor move to buff most other squad leaders while excluding them, but making them 3 wounds probably makes them a bit too beefy. A vet sergeant would have to make all 3 of his attacks stick to take out your character on the turn it charged him.

Warlocks could probably stand to gain a wound. They're essentially Lhameans without insta-death that cost 15 points more for powers that actually aren't all that helpful in their own squad. Though that probably leads to a lot of seer council bike abuse. Er, more seer council bike abuse. Maybe just give them ghost helms instead and make a beefed up version to be the dawn of war style warlock?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7791748.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7791748.page GMT Universal Suggestion: Non-MC Characters get an extra wound. IIRC Council locks are no longer Characters.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7792115.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/645960/7792115.page GMT