Hawkeye888 wrote:
Question is, are you ever going to have time to shoot with the shootas? In a fast rush army your aiming to be in the opponents face asap.

And yes, warbikers are definitely worth it. They are quick, can put out decent dakka, and offer another target that isn't your trukk or bw.

 Frozocrone wrote:
Trukks for Sluggaz, Wagons for Shootas.

'Eavy Armour on any Trukk boy though, because it's essentially a paper aeroplane wannabe.

 MrEvans wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:
Trukks for Sluggaz, Wagons for Shootas.

'Eavy Armour on any Trukk boy though, because it's essentially a paper aeroplane wannabe.

Do wagons count as DT?

 Icculus wrote:

 MrEvans wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:
Trukks for Sluggaz, Wagons for Shootas.

'Eavy Armour on any Trukk boy though, because it's essentially a paper aeroplane wannabe.

Do wagons count as DT?

Only for Nobz and Meganobz and Flashgitz (i think?)

 Frozocrone wrote:
Never take 'ard case, you lose the ability to assault out of disembarking.

Rams are pretty mandatory

 Icculus wrote:
You can put units in a transport even if it isnt a dedicated transport. What dedicated transport means is that it doesnt take up a spot on the Force Organization chart. So trukks are normally Fast Attack and battlewagons are normally Heavy.

So a normal CAD has 3 Heavy Support Slots. But with dedicated transports, you can fit in some extra battlewagons that dont take up a Heavy Slot.
So 3 units of 10 lootas would be 3 heavy support slots. but if you have a unit of flashgitz in a BW, its a dedicated transport so it doesnt take up a heavy slot.

 Frozocrone wrote:
DT still cost points, unless you're playing SPESS MAHREENS and get them for free because your GW's poster boy

DT follow the same Force Org slot as the unit they were purchased for, without taking up a slot.

For example, a unit of Boyz buy a Trukk. That Trukk is classified as a troops choice despite not taking a slot (this also applies the Objective Secured special rule for it if said Boyz were taken in a CAD).

A unit of Meganobz (MANz) buys a Trukk. This Trukk, since Meganobz are Elite Choices, is an Elite choice.

You are of course, free to take Trukks from FA and Wagons from HS, or from formations, in which case they become FA and HS respectively. The difference between Transports purchased by themselves (so take up a slot in a force org) is that during deployment, any unit can go inside, whereas a DT can only hold the unit that bought it during deployment.

If this is still confusing I'll try and clarify my post.

 Frozocrone wrote:
Yes, that's fine, assuming your army is battle forged

 Frozocrone wrote:
With unbound you can take anything, say just Tankbustas and call it a day. Most people are opposed to it as you could just spam overpowered units and most tournaments require you be battleforged.

That list seems a little...off. Trukks can only hold 12 so I wouldn't recommend Shootaboyz inside them. The Battlewagons also seem underpoints for what your paying ~(side note, always take a Rokkit Launcha, if a Weapon Destroyed result occurs and you don't have it, your Wagon ain't moving and that's just sad sauce).

I'm not a huge fan of Boarding plank, particulary since you can re-roll one dice to charge with 'Ere we go!

The MANz from Bullyboyz also need five models per unit.

Oh and I'd always take Da Lucky Stikk and a Warboss if possible. What's even better than a 2+ armour save? A 2+ re-rollable armour save

I wouldn't worry about AA too much, you usually hit on five's so snap shots don't really affect us Ork players. That said, if you do need some, Traktors and Lootas are your best bet, Dakkajets and Warbuggies if you're after something a little more mobile.

 Frozocrone wrote:
You know, that makes much more sense I'd buy them as DT for the MANz then, because there is a mission type where destroying a FA means that you get a Victory Point and Trukks are easy points. By buying them as Elites DT, you'll bypass that.

It's tough to fit both in at that points level, my ideal load outs for both come to 600 each and then you're left with 650-800 for the rest. It's best to stick with one and build around it to be honest.

2000 and above, you could probably get both in and still have a strong list.

 Frozocrone wrote:
They need to be attached to get FnP.

Attach them to large units though, you'll get the most out of them that way.