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Reclamation legion
Nemesor Zandrekh

5 immortals with gauss

2x4 tomb blades
-Shieldvanes
-Shadowlooms
-particle casters

20 warriors
2x10 warriors in ghost arks

Canoptek harvest
1 spyder
5 wraiths with whip coils
5 scarab bases

Destroyer cult
Destroyer lord
-Warscythe
3x3 destroyers

please post your thoughts]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8044251.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8044251.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament Switch out some of those Warriors for a Destroyer Cult. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8044623.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8044623.page GMT Re:[2000] - Necrons - List for tournament http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8044652.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8044652.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament
And Ive never had a problem getting objectives because I just surround them and my warriors usually hold their own with just weight of fire

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And if I take the destroyer cult and have only my 30 infantry left I'll never be able to claim objectives cause I just won't have enough guys!!! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8045508.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8045508.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament
Also The night scythes will drop the troops off, and then be there for like half the game if you're lucky. After the initial deployment the warriors will be on foot, and if you deploy them to objectives, they could be isolated and taken out with local superiority. Both units are very unlikely to earn their points back. If your going to drop a unit off behind enemy lines, it better be some form of death star, and if you are not going to drop them off away from the main force then why use a night scythe.

Basically it comes down to you don't have anything to kill SMQ outside of one unit that can be tar pitted fairly easily. By putting everything in transports you are loosing a lot of volume of fire. You'll be hard to table, but without obsec that won't count for much in maelstrom missions.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8045631.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8045631.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament
The Warriors inside them are usually on the table fighting from turn one unless it is more advantageous for me during deployment to keep them in the night scythes

And with Zandrekh choosing reroll reserves as his warlord trait turn 2 my night scythes have almost always come on and stayed on

Plus they are great extraction vehicles since they can pick up warrior squads that are in a bad way or to lose to an assault unit

And I've never had a problem with marines I usually can kill them just thorough weight of shots

And if the harvest is no good should I just get rid of it entirely

And if I lose my night scythes what do I have to fight against enemy air vehicles???

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And please don't just not respond I am listening I just want to know if my usual tactics are false or not ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8045696.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8045696.page GMT Re:[2000] - Necrons - List for tournament

Necrons - Atun Dynasty (2000pts)

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Royal Court of the Atun Dynasty
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HQ - Overlord Atun W/ - 115pts W/ Sempiternal Weave and a Warscythe (Inside a Catacomb Command Barge) - Starting on the board

HQ - Necron Lord 1 W/ Ressurection Orb - 65pts (With Warriors [Squad 1] )

HQ - Necron Lord 2 W/ Ressurection Orb - 65pts (With Warriors [Squad 2] ) - IN RESERVE

HQ - Harbinger of the Storm W/ Voltaic Staff (With Immortals in Ghost Ark [Squad 4] ) - 25pts - Starting on the board

Dedicated Transport - Catacomb Command Barge W/ Tesla Cannon - 80pts (With Phaeron Atun inside)

(350pts)

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Infantry Legion
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Troops - Necron Warriors [Squad 1] (X12) - 156pts ( In Night Scythe with Lord 1 and squad 1)

Troops - Necron Warriors [Squad 2] (X12) - 156pts ( In Night Scythe with Lord 2 and squad 2) - IN RESERVE

Dedicated Transport - Night Scythe W/ Twin-Linked Tesla Destructor - 100pts

Dedicated Transport - Night Scythe W/ Twin-Linked Tesla Destructor - 100pts
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Troops - Necron Warriors (X10) - 130pts [Squad 3]

Troops - Necron warriors (X9) - 117pts [Squad 4] - Starting on the board

Dedicated Transport - Ghost Ark (With Warriors inside [Squad 3] ) - 115pts

Dedicated Transport - Ghost Ark (With Warriors inside [Squad 4] ) - 115pts
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(989pts)

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Vehicles and support Legion
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Heavy Support - Annihilation Barge W/ Twin-Linked Tesla Destructor and Tesla Cannon - 90pts

Heavy Support - Annihilation Barge W/ Twin-Linked Tesla Destructor and Tesla Cannon - 90pts - Starting on the board

Heavy Support - Annihilation Barge W/ Twin-Linked Tesla Destructor and Tesla Cannon - 90pts

Fast Attack - Canoptek Scarabs (X10) Bases - 150pts

Fast Attack - Canoptek Wraiths (X6) W/ 2 whip coils - 235pts

(655pts)

- 1994pts]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8045729.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8045729.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament
the night scythe is under and so are the annihilation barges

and i also don't think your allowed to post exact point costs on the forum
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BlackConsulBrother wrote:
you know your point values are all wrong right???

the night scythe is under and so are the annihilation barges

and i also don't think your allowed to post exact point costs on the forum

His points are correct... if you're using the old codex

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soo any more ideas or is this just dead??
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BlackConsulBrother wrote:
The night scythes are my air support they are there to take out enemy flyers

The Warriors inside them are usually on the table fighting from turn one unless it is more advantageous for me during deployment to keep them in the night scythes

And with Zandrekh choosing reroll reserves as his warlord trait turn 2 my night scythes have almost always come on and stayed on

Plus they are great extraction vehicles since they can pick up warrior squads that are in a bad way or to lose to an assault unit

And I've never had a problem with marines I usually can kill them just thorough weight of shots

And if the harvest is no good should I just get rid of it entirely

And if I lose my night scythes what do I have to fight against enemy air vehicles???

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And please don't just not respond I am listening I just want to know if my usual tactics are false or not

Regarding Nightscythes... first of all you're incorrect about one thing. They can not pick up Warriors from the board. They don't have any rules to allow Warriors or any other unit to embark while the model is zooming.

Secondly, they're not that great at killing fliers, especially flying monstrous creatures which are the most threatening fliers out there.

Thirdly, as super resilience necrons in a Decurion detachment, you don't need to worry about fliers that much. Most fliers won't be able to do enough damage to you to make their points and they won't be able to capture objectives while zooming/swooping.

Focus on the ground game and spend those points on more killy stuff. You definitely have volume of fire covered with all those warriors. If you really want to run that many warriors, then I'd say you should split the Harvest into 2 harvests with 3 wraiths to act as tarpits. Plan to tie up your opponent's heavy hitters while slowly chipping away at units with the warriors.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8045842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8045842.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament Reclamation Legion

Nemesor Zandrekh

2x5 immortals with Gauss (Hold backfield objectives)

10 lychguard with warscythes

6 tomb blades
-Shield vanes
-Shadowloom
-Particle Beamers

15 warriors supported by ghost arks

2x 10 warriors in Ghost arks

Canoptek Harvest
Spyder with Particle beamer

6 Wraiths with Whip Coils
5 Scarabs

this leaves me at 1791 with 200 point roughly left to spend any advice on what i should add in or change???]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8045849.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8045849.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament

Grimgold wrote:
The harvest can be killy, but only the wraiths really crack skulls, everything else is there as a tarpit, or to support wraiths. At 2000 points, six wraiths aren't killy enough to carry the rest of the army.

Well that ass-backwards if ever I've seen.
Destroyer Cult is hands down the deadliest thing we have in the new codex.
Most competent Necron players will tell you Harvest Wraiths are good for one thing in particular: running up and catching enemy units that are going to cause you trouble.

A simple guide to how to competitive 'Crons is basically:
• Destroyers murder MEQ better than anything we have
• Heavy Destroyers will rip vehicles apart with relative ease
• Wraiths tarpit things that will threaten the Destroyers
• Tomb Blades capture objectives
• Troops stay in their vehicles until needed

Obviously there are exceptions if you build your army around one particular play style (eg. Scarab Farm, Silver Tide, AV13 Wall, etc.), but generally this is how it goes. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8045870.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8045870.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament

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By infantry i mean warriors and Immortals

i know lychguard are infantry but they dont really count towards the foot slogger soldier idea]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8045884.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8045884.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament
That being said "silver tide" is good but you need to be careful about melee combat. If you loose it is very easy to catch your unit at initiative 2.

If I run something like this I would run

20 man foot slogging
10 warriors ghost arch
10 warriors ghost arch
5 mandatory immortals
2 units of tomb blades(for objective grabbing)
Either destroyer cult or mutiple harvests.

I would say destroyer cult for you since you lack strong shooting and this formation is great for, heavy inf, monsterous creatures, and vehicles.

Give your destroyer lord and overlorf Warsythes and stick them with the warrior blob or in something else vunerable to assualt. They will help you turn back assaults on your big blob of warriors. Which eight the two ghost archs, 4 re animation, and re rolls to 1s is pretty unkillable.

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Due Instead of eight, autocorrect is a killer]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8046064.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8046064.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament

BlackConsulBrother wrote:
Sooo what's the point of the Canoptek harbest if not to kill stuff???

And Ive never had a problem getting objectives because I just surround them and my warriors usually hold their own with just weight of fire

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And if I take the destroyer cult and have only my 30 infantry left I'll never be able to claim objectives cause I just won't have enough guys!!!

Wraiths have never been here to kill shtuff. They are our ultimate tarpit, and can sometimes get lucky and do some decent damage. But don't rely on it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8046093.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8046093.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament

Epartalis wrote:
Decurion detachments don't have objective secured? I guess I just assumed they did but it seems weird that they do not.

Why is that? Each Detachment should have its own unique Command Benefits. Only the Combined Arms Detachment and the Space Marine Battle Demi-company have 'Objective Secured' as a Command Benefit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8046146.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8046146.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament
Reclamation legion
Nemesor Zandrekh

5 immortals with gauss

2x4 tomb blades
-Shieldvanes
-Shadowlooms
-particle casters

20 warriors
2x10 warriors in ghost arks

Canoptek harvest
1 spyder
5 wraiths with whip coils
5 scarab bases

Destroyer cult
Destroyer lord
-Warscythe
3x3 destroyers

Thoughts and ideas??? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8046179.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8046179.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament

It takes (2/3 *1/2 * 1/3) 9 gauss flayer shots to kill a space marine on average. If everyone of your warriors (50 of them) shot at a tac squad, it would take you two turns to kill them, that's 650 points shooting at 150. You are talking about using portions, perhaps even single squads to try and secure objectives, but there is no way a force with that little fire power could push ob sec units out of scoring.

Harvest isn't bad, Infact it's one of our better detachments, but you are depending on 258 points of wraiths to make up for a massive deficit in your offensive abilities. Even if they kill twice their points in a game (and against SMQ that's possible), your average damage per phase is dragged down by huge warrior blods in transports.

Also, Until they errata night scythes it's impossible to board them, the invasion ray only allows disembarking, and their minimum move is to fast to embark. As for anti-air, use your bikes, they ignore jink and are twin linked, which makes up for most of the disadvantage of snap firing. The math for non believers, Tomb blade shooting twin linked tesla, just shy of 1 in 3 hit (can not get extra hits on snap fire), 1 in 3 will get a glance/pen, no jink save, so it take about 9 shots. Night scythe will hit just less then 1 and a half hits per shot (twin linked tesla is pretty awesome like that), 1/2 get glance or better and then 1/2 of those get jinked, so it will take about 3 shots to get a Hull point on another flyer, so per round the tomb blades will get a hit a little less often, but not significantly less. However the tomb blades don't have to start in reserve, can spend the whole game on the table, and are required for a Decurion formation. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8046299.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8046299.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8046329.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8046329.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament

BlackConsulBrother wrote:
so what are your thoughts on the new list i just posted?

Much more killy, I'd prefer nebuloscopes on the bikes to deal with jinkers like the aforementioned flyers, but having a 3+ jink is awesome if you intend to turbo boost them to capture objectives and do things like line breaker, so it's probably sixes. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8046543.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8046543.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8046678.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8046678.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament

skoffs wrote:
... you have nothing killy. Yeah, your stuff is going to be hard to kill, but they're not going to be doing much killing, and because you're not ObSec, you'll end up losing a lot of games if you can't clear enemy troops off of objectives.
Switch out some of those Warriors for a Destroyer Cult.

Because strength five is so much preferrable? The destroyers will be better at killing somethings like flyrants, but they still have to snapshoot and pt for pt are worse against tanks. If you are bringing things specifically to kill tacticals then I just have one thing to say. Lolz

I'm not saying they are bad just saying I think warrior blobs can be good

Min rec legion just upgrading tomb blades and to 34 warriors with two ghost arks, two harvests min and a min destroyer cult 1846. Probably a better list Obviously you stick the two squads of ten inside and the squad of 14 rebuilding]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8048064.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8048064.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament MEQ are a problem for us, we don't have embedded special weapons, our fast melee units rely on rending, and our power weapon equipped units are on foot. Outside of a destroyer cult we have no ranged option with any appreciable volume of fire that can bypass a 3+.

it's silly to suggest you only bring them to shoot at tac squads, you are bringing them to deal with an entire class of army, who also happen to be the most common army you'll face. Even if your not facing MEQ, destroyer cults are point for point better at taking out vehicles than devastators or warriors.

The only thing destroyers are not better at taking out point for point are terminators and hordes. Add in a transport and you'll reduce the cost effectiveness of warriors to the point where destroyers are probably better at that too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8048184.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8048184.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8048386.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8048386.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament AV with Warriors.

Though, speaking of Warriors, pro-tip: stick that D.Lord in with the large blob. Gauss with PE is pretty sweet. Though you may want to drop a few to give him the 2+ relic so he can tank shots for them (remembering that anything AP1-2 gets Look Out Sir'd).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8051623.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8051623.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament
besides i dot have the points to add anything else the list is at 2004 already do you have any suggestions at what to drop?????]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8053256.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8053256.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament
Then switch the Shadowlooms to Nebuloscopes and remove the Particle Beamers. That should net you 8 points. Which will be just enough to upgrade the last Destroyer unit with a Heavy Destroyer.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8053387.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8053387.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament You can do it, but seriously man, there are significantly better means available. Chief among them being Heavy Destroyers.
Superior range, high S, low AP, rerollable to-hit AND to-pen/wound. These guys are well worth their points.
Drop some Warriors. Stick in some HDs.

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Were I to run a list like this, I'd fine tune it like so:

Spoiler:

Significantly deadlier. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8055248.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8055248.page GMT Re:[2000] - Necrons - List for tournament http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8055899.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8055899.page GMT [2000] - Necrons - List for tournament OP's load out posted in the top post and adjusted it slightly. I didn't want to change the entire load out in case he had something in mind for them. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8057196.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/659683/8057196.page GMT