Dramagod2 wrote:
I actually like the idea overall. Its similar to what they've done to monsters in AoS and it makes sense. A giant creature thats taken 5 wounds and only has one remaining shouldnt be able to fight at full effectiveness. In Aos their stats decrease as they take damage and I think monstrous creatures should do the same.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
There is a bit of give-and-take between vehicles and MCs - MCs are (generally) more susceptible to small arms fire, but vehicles suffer status effects.

All in all, though, I think it's fair to say that MCs easily win the comparison, and something needs to be done to balance them a bit.

Personally, I'd think that some kind of MC damage table would be fair. Yes, 'any wound would be nearly as effective as killing it for a turn', but....welcome to using vehicles.

I would add, though, that there should be an analogous 'glance' mechanic that causes no rolls on the damage table. So, in other words, weapons that can only wound a MC on 6s or cause automatic wounds (like fleshbane, poison, etc) would be like glances to vehicles.

So, for example, bolters and lasguns cannot cause damage table rolls on a carnifex (because they wound on 6s), but a heavy bolter could. The idea is that your weapons have to have sufficient strength to punch through the MC and do real damage, other than knick it to death.

Overall, though, I think that both should have some kind of damage table, or neither should.

As far as the proposed table goes, 3 and 5 are probably a bit steep - permanent loss of armor is pretty huge. I might suggest causing something like concussive for 3, and maybe for 5 losing one from a random of stat, not all of them.