devinple wrote:
I have to disagree with Nevelon.

AoBR gives you a lot of units you won't ever really want field again after you've learned the codex (until GW changes everything again).

I have lots of tactical marines and rarely field them, as I find Bikes are better and scouts are cheaper. Thats said, you'll want a few for building the Gladius Formation, which is a brutally efficient list.

The terminators and the dreadnought though? You'll stop using them real fast and they'll just take up space in you army bag or display case. This makes the AoBR a pretty bad core army. Sure you can play right away, but over half the army won't be competitive even in friendly games.

Honestly, get a few bikes, a 5 man sniper scout squad, and a tank or two. I'd go with the LS and two Whirlwinds, as whirlwinds can swap into regular rhinos when you want and you can keep building from here without any chaff models.

Build one bike as an HQ and field the bikes in squads of 3 or 4 with a grav-gun and combi grav (or melta and multi-melta), plop the scouts in cover, and bomb your opponent with the whirlwinds. Bonus: If you already have chaos rhinos, scratch-build or kit-bash some whirlwind missile launchers and run them "Counts-as".

GAdvance wrote:
woahwoah woah... the new Dreadnought's with 4 attacks are bangin' mate and with Gladius and Skyhammer being so good Tactical, Assault and Devastator Marines are all damn valuable nowadays

 devinple wrote:

GAdvance wrote:
woahwoah woah... the new Dreadnought's with 4 attacks are bangin' mate and with Gladius and Skyhammer being so good Tactical, Assault and Devastator Marines are all damn valuable nowadays

I see this opinion a lot. People at my lgs are running armies with 1-4 dreadnoughts. They drop down, get left behind on the battlefield, or blown up, and don't carry their point cost unless you get lucky on a tank. They look good, but, as far as I've seen, don't work well.

They're not bad; they're just not as good as other units for the points. Like, a bike troop choice or a ST/Raptor, or any else but a dreadnought.

Dreads are way cheaper than a raptor and min bikes with grav guns bikes are essentially an overpowered unit anyway so not really a good comparison

 devinple wrote:

Dreads are way cheaper than a raptor and min bikes with grav guns bikes are essentially an overpowered unit anyway so not really a good comparison

That's not how comparisons work in 40k. Units take up points and slots. Putting something in your army prevents you from putting in other things. If you assign an overall number value (1-10) to how good a unit is and you can only take say 5 units, you take the best 5 units; don't take a 3 when you can have a 7. When it's parsed down this way the answer is easy. 40k may seem more complicated, but answers can be made simpler when units are comparable point costs which bikes and dreadnoughts are. Some units serve different purposes, but that purpose can still be rated with a quick number. Take the best units, then look for synergies and adjust. That's army building 101. Any units is can assessed as "just fine", but if you want better, take better.

Do I take this unit for x points or this one, which is "essentially an overpowered unit" for x points? dreadnoughts aren't as good as bikes, so take the bikes. Storm talons are the same cost do they compare better to bikes? not often. Do they compare better than dreadnoughts? Almost always. That's two better units for the same point cost.