barnowl wrote:
Look for Martelus's BA posts. He is about the most diehard BA player on here.

 th3maninblak wrote:
The biggest thing to think of in a BA army is how effective small units of Death Company are. 5 dudes with jump packs and a fist comes out to 140 points. It's highly mobile, and packs a mean right hook for such a small unit. 3 or 4 of those as the core of a BA list is a really good place to start. So let's do an exorcise in BA list building using a single Baal Strike Force detachment, shall we?

So our 4 elites slots are filled with 20 death co, so now onto the troops. I personally prefer tri flamer tac squads in las/plas razors, which are expensive at 185 but very potent. So let's start with 2 of those. Note, however, that 5 man squads of close combat scouts with cloaks and a melta bomb are also very effective.

In fast attack, we can easily fit 3 meltacide squads in drop pods. Though these aren't necessarily fantastic vs light armor, they are FANTASTIC vs knights and other super heavy vehicles. That's another 345 points.

For heavy support, normally I prefer the flexibility of Baal Predators, but this list has enough anti infantry so far, therefor fast tri las preds are the order of the day. Again, we'll take 3.

But after all this we'll need an HQ. You were spot on about librarians going well with death co. So a lvl2 dude with a jump pack and relic staff fills our HQ slot nicely. Let's put it all together, shall we?



So 9 units on the table, with 2 more dropping in turn 1. For anti tank/monster duty the list puts down 11 lascannon shots and 6 melta shots during the first game turn, with 20 raging dudes with feel no pain rocking in to clean up the mess. As far as MSU BA goes, this list might not be a bad place to start from.

Martel732 wrote:
That list is pretty good, and similar to lists I use often. I almost always drop fragnoughts as part of my package.

 th3maninblak wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
That list is pretty good, and similar to lists I use often. I almost always drop fragnoughts as part of my package.

I wanted to fit a fragnought in there, but I would rather have a 4th squad of death co. That way you can always double up to 10 in different areas if need be.

I feel like the list has a ton of game vs imperial knights, wraithknights (even multiples of either), and battle companies. Bike lists, particularly ravenwing, would give it fits though. Against death star armies like superfriends you just deep strike what you can and have the rest move 24in a turn to keep away. Having fast tanks definitely comes in handy there.

 th3maninblak wrote:
Really? I mean it makes sense, especially since black knights are so problematic for us. Bs2 overwatch with twin linked plasma? Ugh.

I guess it's the same reason I have for running asscan baal preds. I keep running into battle and demi companies, and lions blade strike forces. I need something that can reliably crack an av11 transport. I hear 10 shots at str5 and 6 are good for that.

Martel732 wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
Really? I mean it makes sense, especially since black knights are so problematic for us. Bs2 overwatch with twin linked plasma? Ugh.

I guess it's the same reason I have for running asscan baal preds. I keep running into battle and demi companies, and lions blade strike forces. I need something that can reliably crack an av11 transport. I hear 10 shots at str5 and 6 are good for that.

I like to pop AV 11 with autolas more since I can strand them on the other side of the table potentially. My Baals are magnetized however, for interconversion. Giving all the RW hit and run was unnecessary I think because it doesn't help them against the top lists, they just use it to stomp the weak lists harder.

Martel732 wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
That list is pretty good, and similar to lists I use often. I almost always drop fragnoughts as part of my package.

I wanted to fit a fragnought in there, but I would rather have a 4th squad of death co. That way you can always double up to 10 in different areas if need be.

I feel like the list has a ton of game vs imperial knights, wraithknights (even multiples of either), and battle companies. Bike lists, particularly ravenwing, would give it fits though. Against death star armies like superfriends you just deep strike what you can and have the rest move 24in a turn to keep away. Having fast tanks definitely comes in handy there.

Get this: I've been playing against so many bikes lately, I've been using double flamestorm Baals with heavy bolters so they aren't useless at long range. You laugh at first, but flamestorm Baals murder Black Knights and Scatterbikes if you have to terrain to work with. Oh yeah, and TL heavy flamer razorbacks with melta dudes in them, too.

IG players should totally drag out the hell hounds, as they are even better.

Martel732 wrote:
It's easier just to shoot the offending units. But that's always the answer in 7th isn't it?