<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "30k - Any Experience?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 30k - Any Experience? We have the first book (and thus the rules) available.
I'd like to play my company of BA jump packers in 30k. They are troops there. That's a big bonus. No Tacticals necessary.
Moreover, World Eaters seem to be a viable alternative. I'm tempted to get my hands on Angron.

Thoughts?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8150627.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8150627.page GMT Re:30k - Any Experience?
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/563152.page]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8150651.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8150651.page GMT 30k - Any Experience? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8150653.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8150653.page GMT 30k - Any Experience?
 wuestenfux wrote:
Any experience with 30k? Our gaming group will try to get into the fluffy Horus Heresy.
We have the first book (and thus the rules) available.


By "first book" I assume you mean HH1: Betrayal?
If so, then what you really want (and need, honestly) are what are commonly called the "red books". The first book contains the core Legion army list (not including a few things added in HH4 and 5, but it does include everything from HH1-3 plus errata and updates). The second book gives the rules and special units, characters, and wargear for all of the legions that were part of Istvaan.

I'd like to play my company of BA jump packers in 30k. They are troops there. That's a big bonus. No Tacticals necessary.


HH6 (coming later this year) will contain the basic rules for Blood Angels, but no special units or characters (that will come later when they get a full write-up, but we do know they get assault cannons, as that is mentioned in the assault cannon entry for Imperial Fists). The basic assault marine unit in 30K isn't that good, sadly (largely because they cost too many points, 250pts for just the first ten dudes in a squad, 15 each for the next ten, but that still ends up being more than 40K assault marines), so you may get some disappointment there. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8150691.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8150691.page GMT 30k - Any Experience? 40k.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8150711.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8150711.page GMT 30k - Any Experience? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8150770.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8150770.page GMT 30k - Any Experience? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8150773.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8150773.page GMT Re:30k - Any Experience?
HQ

Legion Centurion Librarian (level 2, jump pack, melta-bombs) – 120

Legion Centurion Librarian (level 2, jump pack, melta-bombs) – 120

TROOPS

Legion Assault squad – 300
9 Legion Assault Marines (2 hand flamers)
Legion Assault Sergeant (hand flamer, power fist, melta-bombs)

Legion Assault squad – 300
9 Legion Assault Marines (2 hand flamers,
Legion Assault Sergeant (hand flamer, power fist, melta-bombs)

Legion Tactical Support squad – 175
4 Legion Tactical Marines (4 melta guns)
Legion Sergeant (combi-weapon, melta bombs)

Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier (heavy bolter, dozer blades) – 55

Legion Tactical Support squad – 175
4 Legion Tactical Marines (4 plasma guns)
Legion Sergeant (combi-weapon, melta bombs)

Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier (heavy bolter, dozer blades) – 55

FA

Legion Land Speeder squadron – 130
2 Land Speeders (2 heavy bolters)

HS

Legion Predator Strike Armour squadron – 420
3 Predator tanks (predator cannon, lascannon sponsons, heavy bolter)

Total: 1850 pts.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8151863.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8151863.page GMT 30k - Any Experience? HQ? I thought they couldn't be the warlord?


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Just doubled check the faq. No librarians can be the mandatory hq choice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8151881.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8151881.page GMT Re:30k - Any Experience? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8151921.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8151921.page GMT 30k - Any Experience? I'm interested in a Legion Astartes World Eaters list at the 2000 pt level so that I can include the Primarch:

HQ

Centurion Shabran Darr (jump pack) - 135
Master of the Legion
Rites of War: Angel's Wraith

TROOPS

Legion Assault squad – 300
9 Legion Assault Marines (2 hand flamers)
Legion Assault Sergeant (hand flamer, power fist, melta-bombs)

Legion Assault squad – 300
9 Legion Assault Marines (2 hand flamers,
Legion Assault Sergeant (hand flamer, power fist, melta-bombs)

Legion Tactical Support squad – 180
4 Legion Tactical Marines (4 melta guns)
Legion Sergeant (melta, melta bombs)

Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier (heavy bolter, dozer blades) – 55

ELITE

Rampager squad - 130
4 Rampagers (chainaxes)
Rampager Champion (chainaxe)

HS

Legion Land Raider Battle squadron - 250
Legion Land Raider Phobos

Legion Predator Strike Armour squadron – 250
2 Predator tanks (predator cannon, lascannon sponsons)

LoW

The Primarch Angron - 400


Total: 2000 pts.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8152137.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8152137.page GMT 30k - Any Experience? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8152684.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8152684.page GMT Re:30k - Any Experience?
Also, Two librarians in a world eater force doesn't sound very fluffy. Can you imagine a world eater librarian with the butchers nails? he'd never be able to cast anything!
Everything else does sound fluffy though! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8152866.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8152866.page GMT 30k - Any Experience?
 Formosa wrote:
Sorry, but shabon dharr is a loyalist and angron is a traitor, so they can't be used in the same army.


They can, actually. The Traitor v. Loyalist only matters when playing Heresy-era campaigns or story missions. Otherwise you can just say you're playing Great Crusade era. That's why Fulgrim has the option to take Fireblade, for example, to represent his pre-heresy version.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8153014.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8153014.page GMT Re:30k - Any Experience?
 SirDonlad wrote:
Psychic power availability in 30k is different - maybe have a look at that? (can't say for certain, don't own legion marines LRB)

Also, Two librarians in a world eater force doesn't sound very fluffy. Can you imagine a world eater librarian with the butchers nails? he'd never be able to cast anything!
Everything else does sound fluffy though!


According to ADB's fluff, the Librarians didn't have the Nails. Some tried and they all exploded. Literally in some cases. So the few that remained don't have Nails and can't be around their 'brothers' because the Psykers aggravate the Nails. I think they all died when Angron ascended though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8153045.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8153045.page GMT 30k - Any Experience? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8153145.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8153145.page GMT 30k - Any Experience? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8153478.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8153478.page GMT Re:30k - Any Experience?
 SharkoutofWata wrote:
....Some tried and they all exploded. Literally in some cases.



]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8153651.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8153651.page GMT 30k - Any Experience?
Kharn: legacy of blooooooood!!

Librarian consul, mastery 3, force axe

Champion Consul, master crafter excoriator chainaxe.

10 red butchers

3 apothecaries with excoriator chainaxes

15 tacticals with chain axes, power axe sarge, articifer armour

15 tacticals with chain axes, power axe sarge, articifer armour

15 tacticals with chain axes, power axe sarge, articifer armour

contemptor with dual fist and grav

contemptor with dual fist and grav

Predetor with plasma destroyer

Predetor with plasma destroyer]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8153672.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8153672.page GMT 30k - Any Experience? HH Iron Hands with Mech. allies. Love HH. So much fun, and really, I strongly feel given the OPness of 40k today, that 30k units and lists transfer just fine into 40k games. I've been on both ends of that swap and really see no imbalance that's anything more than Eldar vs Chaos Marines or the like.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8153676.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8153676.page GMT 30k - Any Experience? 40k players as well. Yes you have to make sacrifices, but that's part of the game.

Did you have specific questions on units and such? I play Night Lords Legion, Thagmata, and Solar Auxilia. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8153686.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8153686.page GMT 30k - Any Experience?
Your troops tend to be big blocks of power armour that excells at killing other infantry - whether by stabbing them or riddling them with mass-reactives. However, a heresy era marine list has access to a lot of heavy armour - and more importantly, anything land-raider esque usually turns up with armoured ceramite and flare shields, meaning meltaguns and krak missiles alike are sod all use. Plus, your average heresy player likes having pretty centrepieces to the army, so often goes vehicle-heavy.

Supporting rapier batteries or vindicator destroyers are a good idea.


I'm personally a bit of an oddity - I like the warp cult list, giving me a million really bad infantry with rending in melee - you can easily overrun people in close combat. The other thing to note for a word bearers or warp cult list is your ability to take an allied detachment of chaos daemons; a bloodthirster is a scary-as-hell monster which doesn't count as a lord of war and won't be your warlord - allowing you to fit in something more-or-less expendable that stands a decent chance of breaking a primarch or knight suit across its knee.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8153786.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8153786.page GMT 30k - Any Experience? 40K is a pile of crap. Two things I see people do with 30K that I personally consider insanity:

1) Play at low points. Everything is much more expensive than in 40K and the point system encourages larger units. Combined with comparatively weak troop choices that take up a significant chunk of your points, you don't really get the fun part of 30K (Primarchs, 20-man Legion squads, things like Spartans, etc.) at low levels, so I feel like these games are just a waste of time.

2) Play primarily against 40K. 40K is simply stronger, with all of its formation and decurions and whatnot, and significantly cheaper troop choices that carry more firepower. 30K/40K can be cross-played if you're "forging the narrative", it's not something to turn to if you are looking for a tight game (although that goes for 40K in general). ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8155795.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8155795.page GMT 30k - Any Experience? 40k works better, IMO, than the above post believes (just don't play against Eldar), if that's your primary form of play, just don't. HH games should be frequent enough that it's almost it's own league for you to get the experience that is 30k. Many (most?) find its gameplay superior to 40k matches. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8155860.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8155860.page GMT 30k - Any Experience? 40k(because I am the only 30k player I know), usually around the 2k point level. I have not had any issues with balance or getting repeatedly stomped. I shredded an elder scatbike army and took down their Wraithknight in close combat without having a LoW on the field.

Just think about what you want to do with your force. I play mostly Night Lords and most air cav/drop pod lists.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8155967.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/665153/8155967.page GMT