Smotejob wrote:
The army that won the most recent LVO was pretty full of cheese. max number of warp spiders... iirc.

 Brothererekose wrote:

 Smotejob wrote:
The army that won the most recent LVO was pretty full of cheese. max number of warp spiders... iirc.

Harrison was only using 5 man units, so no, not maxed. With min HQ & troop tax on a CAD, at 1850, ITC build limitations, one can field

Warlock

x3 jetbikes
x3 jetbikes

x3 9 pack Spiders, Fast Attack with the CAD

2 Aspect hosts:
x1 10 pack, x2 9 pack

x3 10 packs

1842 in points, 85 spiders.
...
I've been tempted, but the list plays too damned slow.

 Castellan Alaric wrote:
super nasty galef, how do you remember which spiders have the host bonus? lol

 Galef wrote:
The reason they field 5 Spider minimum units is to use the terrain to deny as much of the enemy shooting as possible.

ConanMan wrote:
The new doom of mymera detachment the pale court can have aspect warriors as the "troops" choice and an Autarch (with webs pinner and warp spider jump pack) as the HQ

If ypu merely fielded that plus aspect formations of warp spiders and swooping Hawks I think you could table any army in 2 turns


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I am pretty sure you can have:

Warhost of the pale courts. 285pts

- 3x Aspect Lord Shrine (5 Warp spiders) 95 pts
- 1x Halls of Martial Splendour Autarch - 70pts plus Web spinner (10 pts) plus warp jump generator (10pts)

Then TWO OF 3x 5 Swooping Hawks formation inc one exarch (90pts) 270pts
Then THREE OF 3x6 warp spiders formation inc one exarch (124pts) 372pts

So that's 69 warp spiders (70 if you count the autarch) plus 30 swooping Hawks. Almost everything BS5

ConanMan wrote:
The new doom of mymera detachment the pale court can have aspect warriors as the "troops" choice and an Autarch (with webs pinner and warp spider jump pack) as the HQ

If ypu merely fielded that plus aspect formations of warp spiders and swooping Hawks I think you could table any army in 2 turns


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I am pretty sure you can have:

Warhost of the pale courts. 285pts

- 3x Aspect Lord Shrine (5 Warp spiders) 95 pts
- 1x Halls of Martial Splendour Autarch - 70pts plus Web spinner (10 pts) plus warp jump generator (10pts)

Then TWO OF 3x 5 Swooping Hawks formation inc one exarch (90pts) 270pts
Then THREE OF 3x6 warp spiders formation inc one exarch (124pts) 372pts




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So that's 69 warp spiders (70 if you count the autarch) plus 30 swooping Hawks. Almost everything BS5

ConanMan wrote:
It's just not possible to face that sort of army 18 squads, 12 of which jump when targeted.

100 models that kill everything and move in all 3 phases. 4 if you count the opponents shooting phase. 19 models with 2 wounds. Necrons would have no chance. Not even close. Same with drop pod marines. Firstly the eldar can null deploy secondly even if they don't they can travel the whole board in one turn.

It's not up for debate I'm afraid. Sorry guys. I'm not being big headed when I say it there isn't an army in 40k that would stand a chance

ConanMan wrote:
It's just not possible to face that sort of army 18 squads, 12 of which jump when targeted.

100 models that kill everything and move in all 3 phases. 4 if you count the opponents shooting phase. 19 models with 2 wounds. Necrons would have no chance. Not even close. Same with drop pod marines. Firstly the eldar can null deploy secondly even if they don't they can travel the whole board in one turn.

It's not up for debate I'm afraid. Sorry guys. I'm not being big headed when I say it there isn't an army in 40k that would stand a chance

 Galef wrote:

ConanMan wrote:
It's just not possible to face that sort of army 18 squads, 12 of which jump when targeted.

100 models that kill everything and move in all 3 phases. 4 if you count the opponents shooting phase. 19 models with 2 wounds. Necrons would have no chance. Not even close. Same with drop pod marines. Firstly the eldar can null deploy secondly even if they don't they can travel the whole board in one turn.

It's not up for debate I'm afraid. Sorry guys. I'm not being big headed when I say it there isn't an army in 40k that would stand a chance

Guess what. I have fought a similar list (only 20 Spiders, but more would not have helped him). Eldar player conceded Turn 4. I was playing Daemons and had lots of FleshHounds, Screamers, 2 SoulGrinders & summoned a Drone unit. Every time I charged a Spider unit it died. Hawks couldn't even do any wounds. The Scatternbikes did much more work than the Spiders and they still got charged eventually (there is only so much room on a 4x6 table.

So not only is it up for debate, the debate is closed. MSU CC obliterates SpiderSpam. AV13 gives them serious issue because they cannot touch it.

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ConanMan wrote:

 Galef wrote:

ConanMan wrote:
It's just not possible to face that sort of army 18 squads, 12 of which jump when targeted.

100 models that kill everything and move in all 3 phases. 4 if you count the opponents shooting phase. 19 models with 2 wounds. Necrons would have no chance. Not even close. Same with drop pod marines. Firstly the eldar can null deploy secondly even if they don't they can travel the whole board in one turn.

It's not up for debate I'm afraid. Sorry guys. I'm not being big headed when I say it there isn't an army in 40k that would stand a chance

Guess what. I have fought a similar list (only 20 Spiders, but more would not have helped him). Eldar player conceded Turn 4. I was playing Daemons and had lots of FleshHounds, Screamers, 2 SoulGrinders & summoned a Drone unit. Every time I charged a Spider unit it died. Hawks couldn't even do any wounds. The Scatternbikes did much more work than the Spiders and they still got charged eventually (there is only so much room on a 4x6 table.

So not only is it up for debate, the debate is closed. MSU CC obliterates SpiderSpam. AV13 gives them serious issue because they cannot touch it.

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It's fine. If you want to compare 100 models to 20 that's fine. I'll leave you to that I'm sorry there has been some sort of hostility to the premise of so many spiders and swooping Hawks. I guess you really need to have a next level meta outlook. It's not point and click gaming I am talking about. I am talking about knowing what to do.

I don't know of a list where 100 models that move in all 3 phases and can traverse half the board in tiny squads could be stopped, except by a similar list. (Which was the Las Vegas OPEN final by the way.)

Don't get all grumpy but I really think all the lists that would be seen as better simply couldn't dent it. Even bespoke counters. That in itself is massive and all I need to add because the hawk /spider spam ISN'T bespoke it's generic all comers. And can't be taken out by any tailored specific counters.

For example Tau. You go first, I Null deploy I go first I do the same. Maybe putting the Autarch in a building. 18 units deep strike with Autarch reserves bonus. 15 will arrive. 6 pie plates. 170 str 6 shots. Tau are I2 they almost all die hit on 2 s wounded on 2s even rip rides. Dead in 2 turns.I then move twice more each unit then move a 2nd time if you target me. 18 units to target. You probably have 50% of your units effective.

MSN CC have all the Hull points stripped in close combat by the Hawks.

Game over I'm not even being horrible but if you have an ideas I'm all ears

Trazer985 wrote:

Just a few ideas on this from a tau player who switched to tau when he saw the meta heading the way it was.

I go first, i put my riptide wing (intercept and velocity trackers), broadsides - HYMP & SMS (3 with buffmander) and stormsurges (1) and drone formation (markers all with intercept -fromation bonus) as far forward as possible, across the board (if I go second then I deploy as near your units on the table as possible). it's not possible for you to be more than 42" from me and in cover at a tournament (they generally dont dump scenery right in the corner). They all have the smart missiles, firing lots of times, To kill the autarch, I need to do 3 wounds to it, he has a 3+ save. So 3 unsaved wounds against a 3+ save, means 9 wounds, which at bs 3, requires 18 shots. I have 8 from each riptide, 4 from each broadside and 4 from the stormsurge (which either moves 12 to get in range if i badly need it to, or deploys anchors for a mega intercept - see next point). Y

you have 18 deep striking squads, with the autarch dead, you're getting 12 of them in this turn. I'll ignore the hawks, so lets say of those 12 that arrive, 10 are spiders. If the stormsurge deployed anchors (didnt have to move), you're getting 2x str 10 ap 2 templates and still have the ripple fire from the missiles on the spiders for any that are out of LOS. I believe that the SMS missiles should be sufficient from each of the riptides, the broadsides to force all squads to blink out of range. The great thing about this is I can declare my intercepts one at a time so can stop once they are all out of range of me.

For the planes coming on, I've got 9 plasma accelerator shots, intercept and skyfire, which you can jink, and str7 missiles on the broadsides (and str 5 on the rest) which you cant. I'll have some marker lights from the drones on the buffmander and the drone wing

Now I haven't done the numbers on what will survive after that and whether it will be enough to kill me. But with the autarch dead and the entire army having intercept for each phase you jump in, I believe I have a good chance of an army that can both take on this spider doomhost, as well as any other reasonable army.

If this doesnt work, please let me know how you'd beat it as Im strongly considering taking this to tournaments. The final parts of the army (that are interchangeable) is culexus + stormsurge / taunar supremacy suit.

Trazer985 wrote:
isn't it until the start of the next movement phase?

fair enough if it is, i dont have my codex next to me, only my battlescribe, and i'm not going to argue a point that can be resolved by getting the actual working.

I still think I have enough firepower to force a blink away, and then use the missiles in my next turn with the ripple fire, should it be necessary.

 Galef wrote:
Guess what. I have fought a similar list (only 20 Spiders, but more would not have helped him). Eldar player conceded Turn 4. I was playing Daemons and had lots of FleshHounds, Screamers, 2 SoulGrinders & summoned a Drone unit. Every time I charged a Spider unit it died. Hawks couldn't even do any wounds. The Scatternbikes did much more work than the Spiders and they still got charged eventually (there is only so much room on a 4x6 table.

So not only is it up for debate, the debate is closed.

 whembly wrote:
The Filthiest?
-Autarch on bike and some gubbins...

-3 man scatbikes
-3 man scatbikes

-Hornet Swarm (3x hornets w/ Pulse)
-Hornet Swarm (3x hornets w/ Pulse)
-Hornet Swarm (3x hornets w/ Pulse)

This right here is under 1000 points.

Overwhelming firepower indeed!

Add other units to taste!