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In the Deathwatch Ignition book, the primary baddies appear to be Orks. I could see Dark Eldar, Necrons, and regular Tyranids being viable adversaries for the game as well though.

Does anyone else see this as a possibility?


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So the way the Ghosar are set up seems to be the following:

Big Scary Thing (Patriarch)
Non-melee focused leader
Melee focused leader

12 troops
16 less potent troops

2 melee dudes
4 powerful CC-focused dudes.

So I was thinking the following for the Orks:
Big Scary Thing - Deff Dread or Killa Kan
Non-melee focused leader - Weirdboy
Melee focused leader - Warboss (use Grukk's model)

12 - Boyz
16 - Gretchin (or maybe these could be just plain Boyz and the other ones could be 'ard Boyz)

2 - Kommandoz
4 - Nobz

As of right now, these would just use the regular rules for the GSC, but would at least offer something different visually. I will work on Necrons eventually.
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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Necrons seem easy enough. The CC character would be an Overlord, the less-CC character would be a Cryptek. I can't really decide what the big scary thing would be. Perhaps a Necron Destroyer. I swear there was a plastic Cryptek model, but apparently I was wrong.


I think a Wraith may be too much, but a Spyder with a couple Scarabs (with the ability to spawn more) might work.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8567373.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8567373.page GMT Alternatives to the Genestealer Cult in Deathwatch Overkill Big Scary Thing (Spyder.)
Non-melee focused leader (Cryptek)
Melee focused leader (Triarch Praetorian - the GS Primus has a gun and a sword - or a Pariah, if you have one)

12 troops (Immortals)
16 less potent troops (Warriors)

2 melee dudes (Scarab Swarms)
4 powerful CC-focused dudes (Lychguard)


Big Scary Thing - Deff Dread or Killa Kan
Non-melee focused leader - Weirdboy
Melee focused leader - Warboss (use Grukk's model)

12 - Boyz
16 - Gretchin (or maybe these could be just plain Boyz and the other ones could be 'ard Boyz)

2 - Kommandoz
4 - Nobz

As of right now, these would just use the regular rules for the GSC, but would at least offer something different visually. I will work on Necrons eventually.


I like your orks. I'd definitely say grots rather than boys and ardboyz for the visual distinction.

You could do one for other armies as well;

Big Scary Thing (Crisis Suit with Fusion Blades)
Non-melee focused leader (Ethereal or Water Caste Diplomat)
Melee focused leader (Kroot Shaper)

12 troops (Fire Warriors)
16 less potent troops (Pathfinders)

2 melee dudes (Kroothounds)
4 powerful CC-focused dudes (Kroot)


Big Scary Thing (Wraithguard)
Non-melee focused leader (Warlock)
Melee focused leader (Scorpion Exarch)

12 troops (Dire Avengers)
16 less potent troops (Rangers)

2 melee dudes (Storm Guardians)
4 powerful CC-focused dudes (Striking Scorpions)


Big Scary Thing (Terminator Aspiring Champion)
Non-melee focused leader (Aspiring Sorcerer)
Melee focused leader (Chosen or Aspiring Champion)

12 troops (Chaos Marines with bolters)
16 less potent troops (Cultists)

2 melee dudes (Chaos Marines with bolt pistol and CCW)
4 powerful CC-focused dudes (Khorne Berzerkers)

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 Furyou Miko wrote:

or a Pariah, if you have one



OMG! DW:O would be a freaking perfect way to re-introduce Pariahs to the game!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8569575.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8569575.page GMT Alternatives to the Genestealer Cult in Deathwatch Overkill
 EnTyme wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:

or a Pariah, if you have one



OMG! DW:O would be a freaking perfect way to re-introduce Pariahs to the game!
Yes, yes it would!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8569887.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8569887.page GMT Alternatives to the Genestealer Cult in Deathwatch Overkill
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 EnTyme wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:

or a Pariah, if you have one



OMG! DW:O would be a freaking perfect way to re-introduce Pariahs to the game!
Yes, yes it would!


BTW, your profile pic makes it seem like all of your replies are sarcastic. I love it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8570122.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8570122.page GMT Re:Alternatives to the Genestealer Cult in Deathwatch Overkill
Dark Eldar:
Big Scary Thing: Talos Pain
Less-Melee Dude: Archon
Melee Dude(dudette?): Succubus

12 Troops: Kalabite Warriors
16 less potent Troops: Wych Squad

2 Melee Dudes: Wracks or Grotesques
4 Powerful CC-Focused Dudes: Incubi]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8616809.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8616809.page GMT Alternatives to the Genestealer Cult in Deathwatch Overkill http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8616812.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8616812.page GMT Alternatives to the Genestealer Cult in Deathwatch Overkill
 Kanluwen wrote:
It really doesn't jibe well with alternate enemies.
It is literally just to give alternate models for someone to use in place of the Genestealer Cult. The rules representing them in-game for the board game are unchanged.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8616829.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8616829.page GMT Alternatives to the Genestealer Cult in Deathwatch Overkill
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
It really doesn't jibe well with alternate enemies.
It is literally just to give alternate models for someone to use in place of the Genestealer Cult. The rules representing them in-game for the board game are unchanged.

And at that point, you might as well just not be playing Overkill and instead be doing a Kill-Team game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8616949.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8616949.page GMT Alternatives to the Genestealer Cult in Deathwatch Overkill
 Kanluwen wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
It really doesn't jibe well with alternate enemies.
It is literally just to give alternate models for someone to use in place of the Genestealer Cult. The rules representing them in-game for the board game are unchanged.

And at that point, you might as well just not be playing Overkill and instead be doing a Kill-Team game.


Yeah, cause they're totally the same thing. This is just being contrary for the sake of it]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8617074.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8617074.page GMT Re:Alternatives to the Genestealer Cult in Deathwatch Overkill CC dudes, a choppy Warrior for the Melee leader and a shooty Warrior for the non-Melee leader. Or perhaps a Neuronthrope for the Non-Melee Leader.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8703991.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8703991.page GMT Re:Alternatives to the Genestealer Cult in Deathwatch Overkill
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Bringing this back again with a new idea.

Dark Eldar:
Big Scary Thing: Talos Pain
Less-Melee Dude: Archon
Melee Dude(dudette?): Succubus

12 Troops: Kalabite Warriors
16 less potent Troops: Wych Squad

2 Melee Dudes: Wracks or Grotesques
4 Powerful CC-Focused Dudes: Incubi


Make the non-melee guy a haemonculus. Even an Archon can do decent in CC. Other than that, decent. (I'd go with grotesques.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8704572.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8704572.page GMT Re:Alternatives to the Genestealer Cult in Deathwatch Overkill
 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Bringing this back again with a new idea.

Dark Eldar:
Big Scary Thing: Talos Pain
Less-Melee Dude: Archon
Melee Dude(dudette?): Succubus

12 Troops: Kalabite Warriors
16 less potent Troops: Wych Squad

2 Melee Dudes: Wracks or Grotesques
4 Powerful CC-Focused Dudes: Incubi

Make the non-melee guy a haemonculus. Even an Archon can do decent in CC. Other than that, decent. (I'd go with grotesques.)
Works for me. This actually works. I wish I could come up with something in plastic that works for the powerful CC dudes. I could move the Wracks there, but then what goes into the two Melee Dudes?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8704611.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8704611.page GMT Re:Alternatives to the Genestealer Cult in Deathwatch Overkill
 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Bringing this back again with a new idea.

Dark Eldar:
Big Scary Thing: Talos Pain
Less-Melee Dude: Archon
Melee Dude(dudette?): Succubus

12 Troops: Kalabite Warriors
16 less potent Troops: Wych Squad

2 Melee Dudes: Wracks or Grotesques
4 Powerful CC-Focused Dudes: Incubi


Make the non-melee guy a haemonculus. Even an Archon can do decent in CC. Other than that, decent. (I'd go with grotesques.)


Seconded. But you could have a lot of fun with DE in that they effectively have 2.5 factions. Could set up a game with haemonculus coven. Wracks as troops and unleash the freak show. Whych cults with some beasties or scourges and kabalite pure all fire power and incubi. I wouldn't get so locked into numbers and focus more on the niche that the unit fills. Like 6 nipple blue monkey could be close combat scaries in a witch list. The clawed fiend. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8704622.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8704622.page GMT Re:Alternatives to the Genestealer Cult in Deathwatch Overkill
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Bringing this back again with a new idea.

Dark Eldar:
Big Scary Thing: Talos Pain
Less-Melee Dude: Archon
Melee Dude(dudette?): Succubus

12 Troops: Kalabite Warriors
16 less potent Troops: Wych Squad

2 Melee Dudes: Wracks or Grotesques
4 Powerful CC-Focused Dudes: Incubi

Make the non-melee guy a haemonculus. Even an Archon can do decent in CC. Other than that, decent. (I'd go with grotesques.)
Works for me. This actually works. I wish I could come up with something in plastic that works for the powerful CC dudes. I could move the Wracks there, but then what goes into the two Melee Dudes?

Hellions maybe?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8704821.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8704821.page GMT Re:Alternatives to the Genestealer Cult in Deathwatch Overkill
 Iron_Captain wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Bringing this back again with a new idea.

Dark Eldar:
Big Scary Thing: Talos Pain
Less-Melee Dude: Archon
Melee Dude(dudette?): Succubus

12 Troops: Kalabite Warriors
16 less potent Troops: Wych Squad

2 Melee Dudes: Wracks or Grotesques
4 Powerful CC-Focused Dudes: Incubi

Make the non-melee guy a haemonculus. Even an Archon can do decent in CC. Other than that, decent. (I'd go with grotesques.)
Works for me. This actually works. I wish I could come up with something in plastic that works for the powerful CC dudes. I could move the Wracks there, but then what goes into the two Melee Dudes?

Hellions maybe?
Hellions don't fit exactly but they might work.

For Tyranids I think I have decided two Tyranid Primes for the leaders, one geared for Choppy, one geared for Shooty. 4 Raveners will make up the 4 Powerful CC dudes. Troops will be two variations of Tervigons. One with upgrades, the other without. It makes for a pretty boring adversary, but it gets the job done.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8714635.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/685997/8714635.page GMT