Galef wrote:
Add:

Ravagers get Aerial Assault: Snap-fires from this skimmer are at BS2, rather than BS1

Real Space Raiders detachment grants Shouded to ALL units (instead of the silly 6+ cover it grants now) and Turn 1 is always Night Fight

lusciifi wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Add:

Ravagers get Aerial Assault: Snap-fires from this skimmer are at BS2, rather than BS1

Real Space Raiders detachment grants Shouded to ALL units (instead of the silly 6+ cover it grants now) and Turn 1 is always Night Fight

What about Real Space Raiders upgrading Stealth to Shrouded during night fighting and giving stealth the rest of the time. All of the other decurion type bonuses (aspect host, hunter contingent, ect) are pretty large. They have to be to offset the loss of objective secured.

 Galef wrote:

Well remember that RSR detachment is nothing like the other super Formation detachment. It is merely an alternate CAD, so the bonus doesn't have to be huge. I'd say Shrouded during Turn 1 + always Night Fight Turn 1 would be sufficiently balanced. DE are an Alpha strike army, not a long distance endurance army.

If you grant Stealth for the rest of the game, Night Shields become pointless. If you change NS to give +1 cover (instead of stealth) they become broken.e

 KharnsRightHand wrote:
3D6 charge seems a little ridiculous. Probably 6+D6" would be more suitable. Same effect as the Khorne daemon banner, but more than one use per game. Still gives a buff, but it's not absurd.

lusciifi wrote:

 KharnsRightHand wrote:
3D6 charge seems a little ridiculous. Probably 6+D6" would be more suitable. Same effect as the Khorne daemon banner, but more than one use per game. Still gives a buff, but it's not absurd.

That would be fine too, anything other then +1Init

pm713 wrote:
Are DE I5 or 6 base? If they're 5 I'd argue +1 I is useful.

lusciifi wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Are DE I5 or 6 base? If they're 5 I'd argue +1 I is useful.

DE base units are I5. All wych cult units (the ones that have combat drugs in the first place) are already I6.

pm713 wrote:

lusciifi wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Are DE I5 or 6 base? If they're 5 I'd argue +1 I is useful.

DE base units are I5. All wych cult units (the ones that have combat drugs in the first place) are already I6.

Who thinks +1 Init on I6 is good....

lusciifi wrote:
I think we can all agree that dark eldar could use some love. My proposed changes mainly focus on buffing the unused parts of the codex, namely the melee units in the codex.


New Combat Drugs:
1- 3d6 Charge
2- +1A
3- +1WS
4- +1S
5- +1T
6- Fearless
Removed the duds and replaced them with something you wouldn't mind rolling.

All Wych Cult Units (Wyches, Bloodbrides, Hellions, Reavers)
+1WS
Lore-wise they should really be WS5 already, helps them do their job against MEQ.

Wyches
Cost 9->7
No reason for a T3 5+ save model to be 9pts.

Reavers
+1A
This probably is not enough of a buff to make them usable but it is a start.

Talos/Chronos
Now Jump MC
I love these guys. In theory they are great but they are too slow to ever make it into combat with just a 6in move.

All transports
Swift - Passengers do not fire snapshots if the vehicle jinked in the previous turn. In addition, passengers count cruising speed as combat speed and combat speed as stationary.
Undo the unnecessary nerf from the FAQ and makes dark lances an option. Also helps wych cult, coven melee units to get in close.

Kabalite Warriors
Cost 8->7
Same reasoning for Wyches, 7pts I think is reasonable.

Kabalite Truborn
May purchase piercing ammo for splinter weapons at 2pt for Splinter Rifles 5pt for splinter cannons. Gives rending.
Ups their threat range on highly armored targets for a significant price jump. Gives the codex a way to deal with GMCs like WK's.
Some quick napkin math-hammer for a squad of 10 trueborn with 2 splinter cannons in a raider with splinter racks.
Old New
cost 205 221
hits 27 27
wounds 13 9+4 Rends
MEQ's dead 4 7

Mandrakes
Now have the demon type, Baleblast AP4->3
One of the worst units in the codex, still not great, but at least usable.

Liquifier gun
S3->4
Helps wound MEQ, right now even if you roll low on the AP you still dont kill much.

Razorwing Jetfighter
Cost 140->120
Voidraven Bomber
Cost 160->140
Implosion Missiles
Cost 15->10
Shatterfield Missiles
Cost 10->5
DE flyers are alright. but bit over-costed compared to SM/eldar flyers.

 Imateria wrote:

Combat Drugs: I like those changes, but I agree with the previous poster that 3D6" charge is a bit muc, changing it to 6+D6" would be better.

Wych Cults: Wyches and Blood Brides should definitely be WS5, but not Hellions and Reavers. Hellions aren't actually Wych Cult members, they're just the Commorite equivelant of street gangs allied to the Cults for the drugs. Reavers are also much more about speed and ramming than hand to hand combat. I'd also give Wyches and Bloodbrides an extra attack. With those changes there should be no need to make Wyches cheaper, and Reavers don't need +1A, but Hellions do, I'd also change the Helglaives to AP4 and bring back the 5th edition rules for the Stun Claw. (Don't know what you meant by makign Reavers useful, they're already one of our best units.)

Talos/Cronos: Completely against making the Talos and Cronos Jump MC, I don't have that much trouble getting them into combat as it is, though they could do with Fleet, but they should both get +1A adn Cronos really needs to be able to take the Spirit Probe and the Spirit Vortex, not just one or the other.

Transports: I think Swift is too much, how about make them snap shoot at BS2 after Jinking and/or moving at Cruising Speed instead. Dark Lances are already an option on the Raider and would be pointless on the Venom. None of these changes to transports does a thing to help combat units get into assault though, not sure why you thought it would.

Warriors: 8pts is fine, just give them pistols as well as splinter rifles.

Trueborn: I like that change.

Mandrakes: Agree wih the Demon rule but I don't see why the Baleblast should be AP3? How about an ability where once per game they can move from one piece of cover to another piece of cover anywhere on the board?

Liquifier Gun: Yep, at present it's garbage.

Flyers: I largely agree with the changes to their cost, though I'd make both 120pts base. I agree with the change to Implosion Missiles, but I think rather than reduce the cost of Shatterfield Missiles, how about make them S8, Heavy 1, Sunder instead of S7, Blast, Shred. They'd be an excellent anti-flyer weapon in a codex that is lacking in AA.

lusciifi wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

Combat Drugs: I like those changes, but I agree with the previous poster that 3D6" charge is a bit muc, changing it to 6+D6" would be better.

Wych Cults: Wyches and Blood Brides should definitely be WS5, but not Hellions and Reavers. Hellions aren't actually Wych Cult members, they're just the Commorite equivelant of street gangs allied to the Cults for the drugs. Reavers are also much more about speed and ramming than hand to hand combat. I'd also give Wyches and Bloodbrides an extra attack. With those changes there should be no need to make Wyches cheaper, and Reavers don't need +1A, but Hellions do, I'd also change the Helglaives to AP4 and bring back the 5th edition rules for the Stun Claw. (Don't know what you meant by makign Reavers useful, they're already one of our best units.)

Talos/Cronos: Completely against making the Talos and Cronos Jump MC, I don't have that much trouble getting them into combat as it is, though they could do with Fleet, but they should both get +1A adn Cronos really needs to be able to take the Spirit Probe and the Spirit Vortex, not just one or the other.

Transports: I think Swift is too much, how about make them snap shoot at BS2 after Jinking and/or moving at Cruising Speed instead. Dark Lances are already an option on the Raider and would be pointless on the Venom. None of these changes to transports does a thing to help combat units get into assault though, not sure why you thought it would.

Warriors: 8pts is fine, just give them pistols as well as splinter rifles.

Trueborn: I like that change.

Mandrakes: Agree wih the Demon rule but I don't see why the Baleblast should be AP3? How about an ability where once per game they can move from one piece of cover to another piece of cover anywhere on the board?

Liquifier Gun: Yep, at present it's garbage.

Flyers: I largely agree with the changes to their cost, though I'd make both 120pts base. I agree with the change to Implosion Missiles, but I think rather than reduce the cost of Shatterfield Missiles, how about make them S8, Heavy 1, Sunder instead of S7, Blast, Shred. They'd be an excellent anti-flyer weapon in a codex that is lacking in AA.

Yeah I meant to say give helions +1A not reavers, bit of a mistype. I agree, reavers dont need a buff.

As to the talos/chronos, are you happy with their current cost without buffs? 120pts + upgrades feels like a lot for what they do. The only time they have made their points back for me is when I put them in a dark artisan formation and deepstrike them in with a webway portal next to something that cant retaliate well.

My thought on the transport was count moving combat as crusing speed for passengers, meaning you can disembark after going 12. As you said this would likely be too much, but they need something, even if its as simple as BS2 after jink.

I like the shatterfield idea, I never take them as is.