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				<description><![CDATA[ I am going up against a player on Friday known for his cheese lists.  The match was more or less unavoidable, so I requested to go against his Space Wolf cheese (Wolf Star plus double Wulfen) as opposed to his Tau chees (Hunter Contingent plus OSC).   I figured the best way to fight cheese was with cheese, so this is the list I came up with based on the models I have finished:<br /> <br /> Chapter Tactics - Ultramarines<br /> <br /> <font color='orange'>Combined Arms Detachment</font><br /> <br /> <font color='yellow'><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span></font><br /> <br /> <b>Chaplain</b> - 90 pts<br /> Crozius Arcanum and Bolt Pistol (stock loadout)<br /> <br /> <font color='yellow'>Troops</font><br /> <br /> <b>Tactical Squads</b>x2 - 215 pts ea<br /> 10 marines, Combi-Plasma, Plasma Gun, Plasma Cannon, Drop Pod<br /> <br /> <font color='yellow'>Heavy Support</font><br /> <br /> <b>Devastator Squad</b>- 155 pts<br /> 5 marines 2x Missile Launcer, 2x Multi-Melta, Drop Pod<br /> <br /> <font color='orange'>Ravenhawk Assault Group</font><br /> <br /> <b>Stormraven Gunship</b>- 200 pts<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Lascannon, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Multimelta<br /> <br /> <b>Sternguard Veterans</b>- 170 pts<br /> 2x Grav-gun, 3x Combi-grav<br /> <br /> <b>Dreadnought</b> - 110 pts<br /> Assault Cannon, Power Fist, Storm Bolter<br /> <br /> And now for the cheesy portion of the list:<br /> <br /> <font color='orange'>Librarius Conclave</font><br /> <br /> <b>Librarian</b> - 115 pts (Warlord)<br /> Terminator armor, Force Staff, ML2, Telepathy<br /> <br /> <b>Librarian</b> - 90 pts<br /> Force Sword, ML2, Telepathy<br /> <br /> <b>Librarian</b> - 65 pts<br /> Force Staff, Technomancy<br /> <br /> <font color='orange'>Oathsworn Detachment</font><br /> <br /> <b>Knight Warden</b>- 425 pts<br /> Avenger Gatling Cannon, Thunderstrike Gauntlet, Heavy Stubber, Heavy Flamer, Stormspear Rocket Pod<br /> <br /> I will start with just the Knight and the Conclave on the table with the Conclave hiding behind him, preferably behind terrain if possible. The plan is to ensure the Warden stays invisible for as much of the fight as possible while using Technomancy to keep him repaired.  Primaris threat is the Wolfstar, so the Ravenhawk's primary target will be the Wolfstar.  After that, I move on to the Wulfen, then whatever is left over. The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(683);'>CAD</span> is mostly there for the four obsec units (two tacticals plus drop pods). The Chaplain will be attached to the Devastators to give them a little boost should they be forced into combat (if you're wondering about that wonky loadout, they are the first part of an SAF I am working on).  Far from an optimized list, but it's what I have to work with, and I need a break from playing my Necrons every week.  Thoughts? Criticisms?]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ EnTyme]]></author>
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				<title>[1850] - Blood Ravens (Ultramarines) - Counter cheese</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I would give serious though to reconfiguring the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(683);'>CAD</span> as a Demi-battle company, you don't get the free transports but the extra OS units, and the extra Combat doctrine will come in really handy.  <br /> <br /> I would seriously consider starting the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(29);'>Devs</span> on the board, and using the Devastator doctrine turn one or turn2 if you have nothing in range worth shooting. Then take the next 2 turns with Tactical doctrine, and finish out with the Assault doctrine. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 21 Jul 2016 21:27:04]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ barnowl]]></author>
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				<title>[1850] - Blood Ravens (Ultramarines) - Counter cheese</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697151/8789730.page"><b>barnowl wrote:</b></a><br/>I would give serious though to reconfiguring the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(683);'>CAD</span> as a Demi-battle company, you don't get the free transports but the extra OS units, and the extra Combat doctrine will come in really handy.  <br /> <br /> I would seriously consider starting the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(29);'>Devs</span> on the board, and using the Devastator doctrine turn one or turn2 if you have nothing in range worth shooting. Then take the next 2 turns with Tactical doctrine, and finish out with the Assault doctrine. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Good tip.  I'm still trying to get my assault squad put together, but when I do, I plan to use the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(683);'>CAD</span> (at least until I finish a few more models and have a SAF and Skyhammer Orbital Strike Team).]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 22 Jul 2016 15:42:59]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ EnTyme]]></author>
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