<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Fixing Haywire, Gets Hot Blasts"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/16.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Fixing Haywire, Gets Hot Blasts Similarly, poisoned weapons do get bonuses for attacking mechanical non-vehicles.
Always thought that was weird.

Anyway, my proposed fix to this is the 'Mechanical' special rule:

Mechanical- Attacks with the Poisoned special rule only cause a Wound on a roll of a 6 (unless the
attack’s Strength would cause a Wound on a lower result). In addition, Attacks with the Haywire
special rule cause a Wound on a roll of a 2+

What has this?
-Necrons, pretty much all of them.
-Tau Battlesuits
-Kastellan Robots
That's about it.

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My other proposed rule is to fix gets hot! blast weapons ie. plasma cannons.
What always bugs me about plasma cannons is that when they overheat you don't get a chance to shoot.

My fix is simple,
Gets hot blast weapons only overheat when an eleven or twelve is rolled for scatter deviation with an arrow.
*if this happens, no shot is resolved*

Let me know whatcha think.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8790153.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8790153.page GMT Fixing Haywire, Gets Hot Blasts
 Foxy_Grandpa wrote:

What always bugs me about plasma cannons is that when they overheat you don't get a chance to shoot.

Is that a problem? no other Gets Hot weapon gets to fire the shot when they Get hot either...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8790169.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8790169.page GMT Fixing Haywire, Gets Hot Blasts If you wanted to balance it the opposite way plasma guns would have to roll before they even shot, right?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8790175.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8790175.page GMT Fixing Haywire, Gets Hot Blasts
 Foxy_Grandpa wrote:
The '1' when you roll to hit represents a missed shot with any other gun..

Which is exactly the same as not firing the shot. Either way, no shot is resolved, the weapon just gets hot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8790177.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8790177.page GMT Fixing Haywire, Gets Hot Blasts either make the plasma gun roll before it gets hot or make the plasma cannon super miss to get hot]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8790179.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8790179.page GMT Fixing Haywire, Gets Hot Blasts
 Foxy_Grandpa wrote:


Mechanical- Attacks with the Poisoned special rule only cause a Wound on a roll of a 6 (unless the
attack’s Strength would cause a Wound on a lower result). In addition, Attacks with the Haywire
special rule cause a Wound on a roll of a 2+

What has this?
-Necrons, pretty much all of them.
-Tau Battlesuits
-Kastellan Robots
That's about it.


Feth that, you just made Dark Eldar unusable.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8790857.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8790857.page GMT Fixing Haywire, Gets Hot Blasts
 Imateria wrote:
 Foxy_Grandpa wrote:


Mechanical- Attacks with the Poisoned special rule only cause a Wound on a roll of a 6 (unless the
attack’s Strength would cause a Wound on a lower result). In addition, Attacks with the Haywire
special rule cause a Wound on a roll of a 2+

What has this?
-Necrons, pretty much all of them.
-Tau Battlesuits
-Kastellan Robots
That's about it.


Feth that, you just made Dark Eldar unusable.

Yeah, I gotta say this really seems like an unintended consequence. I remember a few editions again when Poison weapons had a "fluff" explanation that the rounds would get swapped out with special chemicals that reacted with any mechanical creation, making the roll to wound act the same.

But other than the glaring nerf to Dark Eldar, I like the proposed rule. I would suggest, however, that the poison vs Mechanical be -1 to wound, rather than a straight 6. This is how it should be for GCs also.
You should also word Haywire vs Mechanical as gaining Fleshbane, just to tidy it up

On Gets Hot blasts: I like the idea of combining the roll to hit, rather than having to roll an additional dice, but I don't think the roll of 11+ is enough. All other Gets Hot! weapons have a 1-in-6 chance of getting hot, Blasts should be the same. So they should get hot on probably a 10+, or even 9+, or maybe on any doubles rolled instead (although this might be too much, not sure the chances of rollng doubles)

--]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8790958.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8790958.page GMT Fixing Haywire, Gets Hot Blasts FAQ/Errata can't, which is kind of a downside.

I realize this was mostly to nerf the IA+Riptide+ECPA combo, which needs nerfing, but it also nerfs such infuriating things as plasma cannons (which don't need the nerf).

I'm not sure that really makes a case one way or the other, but it's a point to ponder.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8790978.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8790978.page GMT Re:Fixing Haywire, Gets Hot Blasts
No.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8795558.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8795558.page GMT Re:Fixing Haywire, Gets Hot Blasts
 greyknight12 wrote:
Right now haywire takes a hullpoint off any vehicle regardless of it's armor value on a 2+, and you want to buff it?

No.


I mean, it did get a nerf with the most recent FAQ. Haywire is actually reasonable now. Adding this little bit would make sense fluff wise, and even as a Necron player I'd be okay with it.

Now if we could just give SHVs some sort of resistance to it, we'd be in business.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8796390.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8796390.page GMT Fixing Haywire, Gets Hot Blasts
 Galef wrote:
 Imateria wrote:
 Foxy_Grandpa wrote:


Mechanical- Attacks with the Poisoned special rule only cause a Wound on a roll of a 6 (unless the
attack’s Strength would cause a Wound on a lower result). In addition, Attacks with the Haywire
special rule cause a Wound on a roll of a 2+

What has this?
-Necrons, pretty much all of them.
-Tau Battlesuits
-Kastellan Robots
That's about it.


Feth that, you just made Dark Eldar unusable.

Yeah, I gotta say this really seems like an unintended consequence. I remember a few editions again when Poison weapons had a "fluff" explanation that the rounds would get swapped out with special chemicals that reacted with any mechanical creation, making the roll to wound act the same.

But other than the glaring nerf to Dark Eldar, I like the proposed rule. I would suggest, however, that the poison vs Mechanical be -1 to wound, rather than a straight 6. This is how it should be for GCs also.
You should also word Haywire vs Mechanical as gaining Fleshbane, just to tidy it up

On Gets Hot blasts: I like the idea of combining the roll to hit, rather than having to roll an additional dice, but I don't think the roll of 11+ is enough. All other Gets Hot! weapons have a 1-in-6 chance of getting hot, Blasts should be the same. So they should get hot on probably a 10+, or even 9+, or maybe on any doubles rolled instead (although this might be too much, not sure the chances of rollng doubles)

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Get's hot is pretty stupid already on things like plasma guns - they don't need this random chance to hurt you. However with a gets hot blast weapon you take away the main advatnage of a blast weapon - the high probability of hitting clustered units - having a 1/6 chance to not shoot at all is pretty weak.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8796441.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8796441.page GMT Re:Fixing Haywire, Gets Hot Blasts
 krodarklorr wrote:
 greyknight12 wrote:
Right now haywire takes a hullpoint off any vehicle regardless of it's armor value on a 2+, and you want to buff it?

No.


I mean, it did get a nerf with the most recent FAQ. Haywire is actually reasonable now. Adding this little bit would make sense fluff wise, and even as a Necron player I'd be okay with it.

Now if we could just give SHVs some sort of resistance to it, we'd be in business.

What happened in the FAQ?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8796674.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8796674.page GMT Re:Fixing Haywire, Gets Hot Blasts
pm713 wrote:
 krodarklorr wrote:
 greyknight12 wrote:
Right now haywire takes a hullpoint off any vehicle regardless of it's armor value on a 2+, and you want to buff it?

No.


I mean, it did get a nerf with the most recent FAQ. Haywire is actually reasonable now. Adding this little bit would make sense fluff wise, and even as a Necron player I'd be okay with it.

Now if we could just give SHVs some sort of resistance to it, we'd be in business.

What happened in the FAQ?

To Haywire? Absoltuely nothing as far as I remember, this is probably another complaint about grenades.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8796766.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8796766.page GMT Fixing Haywire, Gets Hot Blasts
 insaniak wrote:
 Foxy_Grandpa wrote:
The '1' when you roll to hit represents a missed shot with any other gun..

Which is exactly the same as not firing the shot. Either way, no shot is resolved, the weapon just gets hot.


The issue is that with non-blast weapons the "gets hot" penalty only applies on shots you've already missed. It punishes you for missing occasionally, but it doesn't reduce your firepower. But with blast weapons you lose a flat 1/6 of your firepower on top of any shots you miss because the to-hit dice fail you. That's a much harsher penalty than on non-blast weapons.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8797036.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8797036.page GMT Fixing Haywire, Gets Hot Blasts http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8797070.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8797070.page GMT Re:Fixing Haywire, Gets Hot Blasts
 Imateria wrote:
pm713 wrote:
 krodarklorr wrote:
 greyknight12 wrote:
Right now haywire takes a hullpoint off any vehicle regardless of it's armor value on a 2+, and you want to buff it?

No.


I mean, it did get a nerf with the most recent FAQ. Haywire is actually reasonable now. Adding this little bit would make sense fluff wise, and even as a Necron player I'd be okay with it.

Now if we could just give SHVs some sort of resistance to it, we'd be in business.

What happened in the FAQ?

To Haywire? Absoltuely nothing as far as I remember, this is probably another complaint about grenades.


Yes, thank you for assuming I'm complaining about grenades when I play an army that literally doesn't have any.

I'm all for the change to grenades, actually.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8797680.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/697222/8797680.page GMT