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I love Tyranids and Blood Angels more than the rest.. ( most of my collection list codex are either out of dated/underdog )
Lucky I have too many unpainted model ( can't stop buying model

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I enjoy read book - Deathwatch because of Tyranids and Genestealer Cult heh. But black with sliver arm look boring to me but nobody can stop me paint it in different looks for "cool look" in my taste. Plan to buying overkill box for Christmas ( for me!)

Now.... Deathwatch Codex.. Since I haven't see battle report or reviews for this codex, is it underdog or not?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835401.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835401.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?
My first impression is that it does have some nice tricks especially all those rerolls, special ammo and mixed unit tricks ( adding bikes does all sorts of nasty things to your unit). But the back bone of the army is essentially made of SM veteran squads. I had an army once made of SM vets, and it didn't do well at all since you still only have a 3+ sv on really expensive models. So who knows. I would not expect it to be game breaking powerfull. But I am still gong to build some of them for my Inq force. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835455.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835455.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex? SM codex because I havent use SM '05 codex.
just BA, DA and CSM in 6th ed.

My friend give me white scar biker squadron ( he quit 40k ) and I build them as DA.. havent paint it yet. can be count as DW? hmmmm.... once I buy codex of course! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835501.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835501.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex? DW is a pretty fun codex. It will likely have significant issues as a standalone army at 1000 points or over, but you can make some pretty kick-ass units with them.

Best way to go seems to be to create a KT with the kit needed to kill any target you need dead, and then DS or DP them in on T1/2 and kill stuff dead, while an allied army brings the front line up to the enemy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835517.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835517.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?
However as good as Tau are they are not the top at all anymore. Space Marines (deathstars are now stronger than anythign Eldar can bring), Eldar, and Chaos Deamons are the top three in that order followed by Necrons and then Tau way below the top four. AdMech has taken some hits with the faq and is near Tau level but I would give the edge to the Tau dex over it these days.

It remains to be seen if it's as good as the Tau dex. Still possibly being in the top 8 codices is nothing to be ashamed of. Granted at the lower end of that spectrum and there is a wide gab between the top four and the bottom four. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835565.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835565.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex? The rest of my collection is not top ten don't it? Where is my Tyranids at?

I find Tau is easy to beat unless my local play it wrong.. SM is hard to to beat around here.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835786.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835786.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?
Overall, I would say they are in the upper-middle tier level, where they can easily give a good fight against most codices (especially pre 7.5 codices) but don't completely stomp them. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835820.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835820.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?
If they can get their alpha strike off(in other words don't fight Tau, ever....ever)they look to be solid enough.

Did I mention Tau will be a hard counter? Early warning override combined with Riptides and Stormssurge blasts against extra expensive marines. Yeah.

I'm hoping I'm wrong and there is something I'm missing. The codex seems....neutered. It almost feels like they made changes last minute to tone it down.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835836.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835836.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?

Solidcrash wrote:
Necron is top 5, cool... I didn't buy that codex!
The rest of my collection is not top ten don't it? Where is my Tyranids at?

I find Tau is easy to beat unless my local play it wrong.. SM is hard to to beat around here.

Tyranids are at the bottom level with Orks and CSM, sorry to say.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835873.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835873.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?

Verviedi wrote:

Solidcrash wrote:
Necron is top 5, cool... I didn't buy that codex!
The rest of my collection is not top ten don't it? Where is my Tyranids at?

I find Tau is easy to beat unless my local play it wrong.. SM is hard to to beat around here.

Tyranids are at the bottom level with Orks and CSM, sorry to say.

I don't see tyranids as a bottom codex just a solid mid level. It could be lower top with just a few tweeks but we all know as a "bad guy" race we are never gonna see the love imperials get.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835876.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835876.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?

Verviedi wrote:

Solidcrash wrote:
Necron is top 5, cool... I didn't buy that codex!
The rest of my collection is not top ten don't it? Where is my Tyranids at?

I find Tau is easy to beat unless my local play it wrong.. SM is hard to to beat around here.

Tyranids are at the bottom level with Orks and CSM, sorry to say.

Tyranids are easily much better than both those codices because they can field things like Mawlocs and Flyrants. Yeah you gotta spam them but it's better than anything that can be spammed with CSM.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835977.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8835977.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?

Bulldogging wrote:
It almost feels like they made changes last minute to tone it down.

DW Frag Cannon.

But yeah, the codex feels... off somehow...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836050.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836050.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?

Solidcrash wrote:
Necron is top 5, cool... I didn't buy that codex!
The rest of my collection is not top ten don't it? Where is my Tyranids at?

I find Tau is easy to beat unless my local play it wrong.. SM is hard to to beat around here.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Tyranids are easily much better than both those codices because they can field things like Mawlocs and Flyrants. Yeah you gotta spam them but it's better than anything that can be spammed with CSM.

You can beat any armies if you use the list right, with right opposition. It's just like a scissor, paper and rock.

Verviedi wrote:
Tyranids are at the bottom level with Orks and CSM, sorry to say.

Yay! It's my main armies.

Timeshadow wrote:

I don't see tyranids as a bottom codex just a solid mid level. It could be lower top with just a few tweeks but we all know as a "bad guy" race we are never gonna see the love imperials get.

True. I think the Tyranids is more advance codex just like chess : Pawns and Knights piece which you have to plan ahead and give it the big finish. While Tau, Space Marine and Eldar give me all same tactic... Made battle "repeat histories" and made me able to "expected" oncoming event. Possibly that why it made easy. But not Space Marine because of their power armour!

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My current KT iteration looks like this:

Spoiler:

So damn expensive for 7 men and a DP.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836108.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836108.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex? 150 points.

Decking out Wolf Guard the same way puts me into the 200 point bracket.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836150.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836150.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836291.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836291.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?

Solidcrash wrote:
Does it platform better or is it just space marine with sliver arm?

Dunno what you mean by "platform", but the standard Deathwatch marines are Sternguard with extra re-rolls and a host of cool wargear options.

Worth it if you know what you need out of the unit, imo.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836316.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836316.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex? GW is trying to cash in on the Game of Thrones craze. Just replace "Deathwatch" with "Black Watch", and you'll start noticing all of the references.

Not a criticism, just a funny aside.

As to how the will play? They read like a nice pair of scissors in a rock, paper, scissors game. Curtain builds will get spammed, like max Frag Cannons and Cyclone Thunder-Shield Termies. The new Flyer is pretty neat, and actually seems to be worth taking. Looks pretty solid for an expensive-Marine army.

SJ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836333.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836333.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex? DW came way before GoT, but the current fluff might have grabbed some stuff from GoT.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836337.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836337.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?

Selym wrote:

Solidcrash wrote:
Does it platform better or is it just space marine with sliver arm?

Dunno what you mean by "platform", but the standard Deathwatch marines are Sternguard with extra re-rolls and a host of cool wargear options.

Worth it if you know what you need out of the unit, imo.

You got it right in first place...
Compare deathwatch with sternguard I mean. With add on re-roll and cool wargear which is neat.

Which is cheaper? Shield of Baal data sheet - Archangels Sanguine Wing formation is most cheaper I think so.
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jeffersonian000 wrote:
Codex Deathwatch reads like GW is trying to cash in on the Game of Thrones craze. Just replace "Deathwatch" with "Black Watch", and you'll start noticing all of the references.

Not a criticism, just a funny aside.

As to how the will play? They read like a nice pair of scissors in a rock, paper, scissors game. Curtain builds will get spammed, like max Frag Cannons and Cyclone Thunder-Shield Termies. The new Flyer is pretty neat, and actually seems to be worth taking. Looks pretty solid for an expensive-Marine army.

SJ

In fairness, nods to (or incorporation of) other elements of the outside world has been a part of gw's writing style from the beginning. Nagash as Sauron, the writing of Joseph Konrad in the Night Lords, Rock City as The Rock, Maggie Thatcher as Ghazkull Thrakka are just a couple of examples off the top of my head, so there is a good chance that you are right.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836382.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836382.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?

JamesY wrote:
Maggie Thatcher as Ghazkull Thrakka are just a couple of examples off the top of my head, so there is a good chance that you are right.

U wot m8?

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Selym wrote:

JamesY wrote:
Maggie Thatcher as Ghazkull Thrakka are just a couple of examples off the top of my head, so there is a good chance that you are right.

U wot m8?

I don't believe much from Andy in fairness. I'd only accept any truth on that front from Rick himself.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836398.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836398.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?

Other than similar names (because George R.R. Martin definitely invented the concept of referring to a group who stands guard as "The Watch"), what other parallels are you seeing?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836545.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836545.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?

EnTyme wrote:

jeffersonian000 wrote:
Codex Deathwatch reads like GW is trying to cash in on the Game of Thrones craze. Just replace "Deathwatch" with "Black Watch", and you'll start noticing all of the references.

Other than similar names (because George R.R. Martin definitely invented the concept of referring to a group who stands guard as "The Watch"), what other parallels are you seeing?

Not sure if sarcasm, but:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42nd_Regiment_of_Foot wrote:The 42nd (Royal Highland) Regiment of Foot was a Scottish infantry regiment in the British Army also known as the Black Watch.

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Selym wrote:

EnTyme wrote:
jeffersonian000 wrote:
Codex Deathwatch reads like GW is trying to cash in on the Game of Thrones craze. Just replace "Deathwatch" with "Black Watch", and you'll start noticing all of the references.

Other than similar names (because George R.R. Martin definitely invented the concept of referring to a group who stands guard as "The Watch"), what other parallels are you seeing?

Not sure if sarcasm, but:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42nd_Regiment_of_Foot wrote:The 42nd (Royal Highland) Regiment of Foot was a Scottish infantry regiment in the British Army also known as the Black Watch.

It was sarcasm. The primary argument for "GW ripped off GoT" seems to be "Both their names contain the word 'watch' " even though there really aren't many other similarities that I can see.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836660.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836660.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836746.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836746.page GMT Re:Is deathwatch good codex? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836767.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?
Would these guys work well if I wanted to reflect, for instance, an Alpha Legion strikeforce doing a black ops attack? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836842.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836870.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836870.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?

EnTyme wrote:

jeffersonian000 wrote:
Codex Deathwatch reads like GW is trying to cash in on the Game of Thrones craze. Just replace "Deathwatch" with "Black Watch", and you'll start noticing all of the references.

Other than similar names (because George R.R. Martin definitely invented the concept of referring to a group who stands guard as "The Watch"), what other parallels are you seeing?

The codex fluff details are similar to the GoT Night's Watch, with Watch fortresses, black armor, the process of accepting recruits, the goal of standing vigil against the monsters that threaten the night, etc. But my point was how similar the new fluff is, not to call out GW on IP theft. GoT is 20 years old, based on the War of the Roses. Deathwatch is over 20 years old, based on Roman garrisoning of Hadrian's Wall.

Guess fun factoids are not a Dakka thing.

SJ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836888.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8836888.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?

Solidcrash wrote:

Solidcrash wrote:
Necron is top 5, cool... I didn't buy that codex!
The rest of my collection is not top ten don't it? Where is my Tyranids at?

I find Tau is easy to beat unless my local play it wrong.. SM is hard to to beat around here.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Tyranids are easily much better than both those codices because they can field things like Mawlocs and Flyrants. Yeah you gotta spam them but it's better than anything that can be spammed with CSM.

You can beat any armies if you use the list right, with right opposition. It's just like a scissor, paper and rock.

Verviedi wrote:
Tyranids are at the bottom level with Orks and CSM, sorry to say.

Yay! It's my main armies.

Timeshadow wrote:

I don't see tyranids as a bottom codex just a solid mid level. It could be lower top with just a few tweeks but we all know as a "bad guy" race we are never gonna see the love imperials get.

When you play nids you're not playing Codex: Tyranid, you're playing Codex: Flyrant which is strong in casual games but just isn't good enough for competitive games anymore, even spamming out only their best units won't get you into the top half of most tournaments unless you're the type of player that tops consistently and aren't playing anyone of remotely similar skill. Also, when you say any army can beat any other army if you get the right opposition that's not actually saying anything. Yes, if you play 5 flyrants and I play F/TLHF dreadnoughts with scouts for my troops and chaplains as my HQs you can definietly win that but if you try to play a unique army list (even a relatively effiecient one) and I play battle company, or 4 wraithknights, or monstermash tau or aspect spam or renegades and heretics, the only way you could hope to win is if your opponent dies of a heart attack turn one.

The differential in power right now in 40k is enormous. Even from unit to unit. Our store is doing a 1500 point friendly tournament series and we had to go from ITC comp rules down to single CAD with a decent size ban list just to make it manageable and we STILL have to monitor everyones list so that someone doesn't sneak some combo in that makes them invincible(we actually had a limit of 8 psychic charges already and STILL had to ban out taking 2 psykers in any list.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8837229.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8837229.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?

Wyldhunt wrote:
Hmm. I really wish I weren't broke right now. I love the idea of a more-elite marine force, but what little I've heard about the book makes me think that they're basically just points-inefficient toolboxes with Preferred Enemy (Force Org Slot).

Would these guys work well if I wanted to reflect, for instance, an Alpha Legion strikeforce doing a black ops attack?

Could work pretty well, actually. Lots of the special rules like Mission Tactics and Relics involve gaining 'knowledge' or 'insights' into certain of your enemy's units and exploiting them (usually rerolls, Night Vision, Instant Death, or some such). Sounds very XX Legion to me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8837291.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8837291.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?

jeffersonian000 wrote:

EnTyme wrote:
jeffersonian000 wrote:
Codex Deathwatch reads like GW is trying to cash in on the Game of Thrones craze. Just replace "Deathwatch" with "Black Watch", and you'll start noticing all of the references.

Other than similar names (because George R.R. Martin definitely invented the concept of referring to a group who stands guard as "The Watch"), what other parallels are you seeing?

That fluff had all been established in Fantasy Flight Game's "Deathwatch" RPG which came out in 2010 though (and possibly prior to that, I'm not sure how much of the FFG fluff was new or taken from previous sources), well before Game of Throne became a popular thing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8837337.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8837337.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?
The day people start reading is the day circular arguments end.

SJ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8838429.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8838429.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?

jeffersonian000 wrote:
The day people start reading is the day circular arguments end.

Pot. Kettle.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8838438.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8838438.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?
Its gonna be good in sub 1000 pt games

Its not going to hold up well is games over 1500 on its own.

They make great filler units when you cant find anything else to throw into an army

Its a high tier army to play, (idk if its high tier power, but its high tier strategy and play style. There is a reason they are still gonna keep putting out dark vengeance in lue of this box. )

Mind you this is all things i have just spit balled. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8838442.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8838442.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?

jeffersonian000 wrote:
GoT is over 20 years old. The HBO show is not the sum total of GoT. Also, as I've already pointed out, both the Night's Watch and the Deathwatch are taken from real history, specifically the Roman construction and occupation of Hadrian's Wall.

The day people start reading is the day circular arguments end.

SJ

The parallel between the Night's Watch and Hadrian's Wall is obvious, but I don't see it with Deathwatch. They take far more inspiration from the Foreign Legion. The only real parallels I can see between DW ant the Night's Watch is the name and preferred color (but black is far from a rare color in literature or history). The Night's Watch is mostly murderers, thieves, and rapists who chose exile over execution. The Deathwatch is an elite group chosen from an elite group who are shown recordings of Xenos killing their comrades over and over again until they develop a blinding, zealous hatred for anything that is not human.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8838511.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8838511.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex? bs, and could get back on point, that would be great.

I have ordered my DeathWatch Codex last night and am impatiently waiting for it to arrive. I have a sternguard squad that I kitted out as Deathwatch a few years ago that sounds like will be a legal squad as-is. I also have a DeathWatch Librarian that is ready to lead them in a Drop Pod assault!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8838526.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8838526.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?

kronk wrote:
If we're done with the Game of Thrones bs, and could get back on point, that would be great.

I have ordered my DeathWatch Codex last night and am impatiently waiting for it to arrive. I have a sternguard squad that I kitted out as stenguard a few years ago that sounds like will be a legal squad as-is. I also have a DeathWatch Librarian that is ready to lead them in a Drop Pod assault!

This!

Long and short, i think you need to kit them to either be shooty shooty, or stabby stabby, and not try to mix and match because you wont get the best of both worlds.

As i said, i think they will be great in small batches, but will be very difficult to work with at higher point value matches. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8838532.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8838532.page GMT Re:Is deathwatch good codex? RULE #2 is STAY ON TOPIC.

Thanks!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8838533.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8838533.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?

Backspacehacker wrote:

kronk wrote:
If we're done with the Game of Thrones bs, and could get back on point, that would be great.

I have ordered my DeathWatch Codex last night and am impatiently waiting for it to arrive. I have a sternguard squad that I kitted out as stenguard a few years ago that sounds like will be a legal squad as-is. I also have a DeathWatch Librarian that is ready to lead them in a Drop Pod assault!

My current plan is to kit them out for assault and load them up in Land Raider Crusaders. Probably won't see that build in many tournaments, but I don't play tournaments, and I think it'll look cool.

P.S. Sorry I derailed the thread, but I'm trying to nip the Deathwatch=Night's Watch thing in the bud before it actually becomes a thing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8838667.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8838667.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?
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ERJAK wrote:

When you play nids you're not playing Codex: Tyranid, you're playing Codex: Flyrant which is strong in casual games but just isn't good enough for competitive games anymore, even spamming out only their best units won't get you into the top half of most tournaments unless you're the type of player that tops consistently and aren't playing anyone of remotely similar skill. Also, when you say any army can beat any other army if you get the right opposition that's not actually saying anything. Yes, if you play 5 flyrants and I play F/TLHF dreadnoughts with scouts for my troops and chaplains as my HQs you can definietly win that but if you try to play a unique army list (even a relatively effiecient one) and I play battle company, or 4 wraithknights, or monstermash tau or aspect spam or renegades and heretics, the only way you could hope to win is if your opponent dies of a heart attack turn one.

The differential in power right now in 40k is enormous. Even from unit to unit. Our store is doing a 1500 point friendly tournament series and we had to go from ITC comp rules down to single CAD with a decent size ban list just to make it manageable and we STILL have to monitor everyones list so that someone doesn't sneak some combo in that makes them invincible(we actually had a limit of 8 psychic charges already and STILL had to ban out taking 2 psykers in any list.)

Hah! I love this... Thank god there are no wraith knight or monster mash tau around here.. Possibly that why I won tournaments twice.. ( one Tyranids and one imperial Knight X 3 with DA bikers allies )
I'll need to go to Warhammer HQ and taste the pain.

I just brought Deathwatch codex! Cool, I can buy single model each instead of 5 model or more..
Terminator seem overpower if they all wield assault cannon and cyclone missiles, just seat there...And use up all of it firepower...
Shame terminator cannot take plasma cannon ( maybe that why deathwatch aren't that stupid that take danger weapon with chance of burn your face off!)

Plus heavy bolter gain heavy flamer... Re-roll for mission tactic sound good on paper!
Vanguard veteran can be single model?! Just buy 10 men and spilt them up... 20 firewarrior shoot at single model and that it... 9 men assault with re-roll... Unless tau can spilt fire... Flyrant with double Twin link brain leech fire at single model or just two model?.....

As Tyranids I am in trouble!

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Selym wrote:
DW is a pretty fun codex. It will likely have significant issues as a standalone army at 1000 points or over, but you can make some pretty kick-ass units with them.

Best way to go seems to be to create a KT with the kit needed to kill any target you need dead, and then DS or DP them in on T1/2 and kill stuff dead, while an allied army brings the front line up to the enemy.

I use them as a small support army for my BA and Inquisition. I only really bought the inquisitor to lead them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8859455.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8859455.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex? A unit, consisting of models each of which specialized in a different way, will not be effective enough.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8859674.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8859674.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8859694.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8859694.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex? sms support turret and the 12 man team had a fireblade.

... the marines won, taking only 3 casualties.

It was a test more for fun that anything, but yes the codex see.s pretty damn good.

I've already written a 1997 point list that only has a watch master, a stock dreadnaught, and a watch company. That's about 40 space marines at ~2000 points. Talk about elite eh

When I did that little test all I could think was "wow, this is what vanilla space marines should be capable of" The deathwatch codex to me is what a vanilla space marine codex would be like if it was written to match to disregard the crunch and stay true to the fluff, minus all the fancy upgrades and gadgets ofcourse.

But yeah. Pretty damn powerful codex from what I can see so far ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8860189.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8860189.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex? DW do have a round meant to kill them. 12 fire warriors w/ a fireblade will equal ~4.555 wounds if they get the first shot off, and are within 15". I think you just got very lucky really, unless you drop podded in and got the first shots off.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8860199.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8860199.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex? DW using Tyranids, and this is what I noticed. The first game (1000 points) my opponent had many upgrades on his units, especially his vanguard veterans, and had no transports or flyer support. I had about 80 models between hormagants, termagants and gargoyles with some warriors and a hive tyrant, and a couple carnifexes. His Marines would remove 3/4 of the models he hit with shooting attacks, but the sheer number of nids was too much. As soon as I entered close combat he lost the game. The 3+ save couldn't stand up to the amount of attacks I had, and he realized very quickly that upgrading them that much was his downfall.

Skip to the second game (1850 points) and I brought about 110 models, a flyrant, the Swarmlord and two carnifexes with a couple venomthropes and a zoanthrope. He had about 22 Marines, but they hid in two land raiders, and he brought two Corvus blackstars. My hormagants were rendered useless and he focussed down my carnifexes and flyrant so that I couldn't break his armor. His transports made a huge difference and more or less won him the game.

Moral of the story? Protect those expensive troops until you know that they can handle what's outside of their metal boxes. Then they can have a field day.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8860554.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8860554.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex? DW, you'd assume he could handle more than a few gaunts, let alone when you make use of Wall of Death on Shotguns, Frag cannons, etc.

Must of just been using bolters.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8860594.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8860594.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?

Cephalobeard wrote:
I wonder what they were doing that they could only take out 3-4 units. With all the template weapons, or mass rate of fire available to DW, you'd assume he could handle more than a few gaunts, let alone when you make use of Wall of Death on Shotguns, Frag cannons, etc.

Must of just been using bolters.

Most of his models were kitted out for melee, and he only had 2 frag cannons. Everybody else was using special bolter ammunition, and with a maximum of 20 shots (in rapid fire range) per turn, he had no chance. I'm sure I'll see some better lists from him in the future.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8861766.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8861766.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex?
Deathwatch aren't bad, but like Grey Knights, they really want an actual army to support.

Astra Militarum, for example, or a Gladius strike force from a 'normal' chapter, can provide lots of cheap, stubborn warm bodies who can march onto objectives and die standing whilst the Deathwatch take out the critical target.

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casvalremdeikun wrote:
While the individual units are potent, they still end up with a low model count and that carries it's own issues. They are basically ano there rendition of the Grey Knights. Small units that pack a punch.

They also lack a delivery system. Razorbacks are too fragile for a force this elite and landraiders are a huge points sink with odd weapons.

Deep strike (via detachment bonus) requires you to split your force and the only way to get homers into position is drop pods (because the detachment doesn't let you buy a bike squad). With short range weapons and no assault from deepstrike they really do need the homers. Also, all Ds/pod armies are pretty dull imo.

Corvus requires you to split your force but is otherwise okay.

Of course, if the rumours are true about a new edition this year and if that edition allows full reserve again then the codex might start to make a bit more sense.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8862066.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8862066.page GMT Is deathwatch good codex? DPs are probably the best way to deliver them, quick and fairly accurate for a deep striking force, and can potentially block LoS according to the draft FAQ iirc.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8862090.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/699475/8862090.page GMT