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I was a button away from buying my first time ever digital version ( enhanced )

I love Tyranids and Blood Angels more than the rest.. ( most of my collection list codex are either out of dated/underdog )
Lucky I have too many unpainted model ( can't stop buying model )

I enjoy read book - Deathwatch because of Tyranids and Genestealer Cult heh. But black with sliver arm look boring to me but nobody can stop me paint it in different looks for "cool look" in my taste. Plan to buying overkill box for Christmas ( for me!)

Now.... Deathwatch Codex.. Since I haven't see battle report or reviews for this codex, is it underdog or not?

Its too soon to say.

My first impression is that it does have some nice tricks especially all those rerolls, special ammo and mixed unit tricks ( adding bikes does all sorts of nasty things to your unit). But the back bone of the army is essentially made of SM veteran squads. I had an army once made of SM vets, and it didn't do well at all since you still only have a 3+ sv on really expensive models. So who knows. I would not expect it to be game breaking powerfull. But I am still gong to build some of them for my Inq force.

I didnt buy new SM codex because I havent use SM '05 codex.
just BA, DA and CSM in 6th ed.

My friend give me white scar biker squadron ( he quit 40k ) and I build them as DA.. havent paint it yet. can be count as DW? hmmmm.... once I buy codex of course!

DW is a pretty fun codex. It will likely have significant issues as a standalone army at 1000 points or over, but you can make some pretty kick-ass units with them.

Best way to go seems to be to create a KT with the kit needed to kill any target you need dead, and then DS or DP them in on T1/2 and kill stuff dead, while an allied army brings the front line up to the enemy.

On a gut instinct I'll say below Tau but above everything else. So good. Most codiexes should strive to be at its level. Some brought up to it and some brought down.

However as good as Tau are they are not the top at all anymore. Space Marines (deathstars are now stronger than anythign Eldar can bring), Eldar, and Chaos Deamons are the top three in that order followed by Necrons and then Tau way below the top four. AdMech has taken some hits with the faq and is near Tau level but I would give the edge to the Tau dex over it these days.

It remains to be seen if it's as good as the Tau dex. Still possibly being in the top 8 codices is nothing to be ashamed of. Granted at the lower end of that spectrum and there is a wide gab between the top four and the bottom four.

Necron is top 5, cool... I didn't buy that codex!
The rest of my collection is not top ten don't it? Where is my Tyranids at?

I find Tau is easy to beat unless my local play it wrong.. SM is hard to to beat around here.

Certainly a lot better than other subfaction codices like Militarum Tempestus and Grey Knights but they are not fleshed out enough to truly compete with the top tier factions simply by virtue of their limited options at least in terms of playing pure Deathwatch.

Overall, I would say they are in the upper-middle tier level, where they can easily give a good fight against most codices (especially pre 7.5 codices) but don't completely stomp them.

It's average from what I can see. Not amazing but not trash.

If they can get their alpha strike off(in other words don't fight Tau, ever....ever)they look to be solid enough.

Did I mention Tau will be a hard counter? Early warning override combined with Riptides and Stormssurge blasts against extra expensive marines. Yeah.

I'm hoping I'm wrong and there is something I'm missing. The codex seems....neutered. It almost feels like they made changes last minute to tone it down.

Solidcrash wrote:
Necron is top 5, cool... I didn't buy that codex!
The rest of my collection is not top ten don't it? Where is my Tyranids at?

I find Tau is easy to beat unless my local play it wrong.. SM is hard to to beat around here.

Tyranids are at the bottom level with Orks and CSM, sorry to say.

 Verviedi wrote:

Solidcrash wrote:
Necron is top 5, cool... I didn't buy that codex!
The rest of my collection is not top ten don't it? Where is my Tyranids at?

I find Tau is easy to beat unless my local play it wrong.. SM is hard to to beat around here.

Tyranids are at the bottom level with Orks and CSM, sorry to say.

I don't see tyranids as a bottom codex just a solid mid level. It could be lower top with just a few tweeks but we all know as a "bad guy" race we are never gonna see the love imperials get.

 Verviedi wrote:

Solidcrash wrote:
Necron is top 5, cool... I didn't buy that codex!
The rest of my collection is not top ten don't it? Where is my Tyranids at?

I find Tau is easy to beat unless my local play it wrong.. SM is hard to to beat around here.

Tyranids are at the bottom level with Orks and CSM, sorry to say.

Tyranids are easily much better than both those codices because they can field things like Mawlocs and Flyrants. Yeah you gotta spam them but it's better than anything that can be spammed with CSM.

 Bulldogging wrote:
It almost feels like they made changes last minute to tone it down.

DW Frag Cannon.

But yeah, the codex feels... off somehow...

Solidcrash wrote:
Necron is top 5, cool... I didn't buy that codex!
The rest of my collection is not top ten don't it? Where is my Tyranids at?

I find Tau is easy to beat unless my local play it wrong.. SM is hard to to beat around here.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Tyranids are easily much better than both those codices because they can field things like Mawlocs and Flyrants. Yeah you gotta spam them but it's better than anything that can be spammed with CSM.

You can beat any armies if you use the list right, with right opposition. It's just like a scissor, paper and rock.

Verviedi wrote:
Tyranids are at the bottom level with Orks and CSM, sorry to say.

Yay! It's my main armies.

Timeshadow wrote:

I don't see tyranids as a bottom codex just a solid mid level. It could be lower top with just a few tweeks but we all know as a "bad guy" race we are never gonna see the love imperials get.

True. I think the Tyranids is more advance codex just like chess : Pawns and Knights piece which you have to plan ahead and give it the big finish. While Tau, Space Marine and Eldar give me all same tactic... Made battle "repeat histories" and made me able to "expected" oncoming event. Possibly that why it made easy. But not Space Marine because of their power armour!

It's definitely a good way of getting cheap Melee sluggers. They seem expensive at first until you start loading them down with the cheap wargear and come up nearly fifty points cheaper than equivalents from other chapters.

Yeah, I... didn't do that

My current KT iteration looks like this:


So damn expensive for 7 men and a DP.

Mine's five guys with Jump packs, four with shields and bolt pistols and one with lightning claws.
150 points.

Decking out Wolf Guard the same way puts me into the 200 point bracket.

Does it platform better or is it just space marine with sliver arm?

Solidcrash wrote:
Does it platform better or is it just space marine with sliver arm?

Dunno what you mean by "platform", but the standard Deathwatch marines are Sternguard with extra re-rolls and a host of cool wargear options.

Worth it if you know what you need out of the unit, imo.

Codex Deathwatch reads like GW is trying to cash in on the Game of Thrones craze. Just replace "Deathwatch" with "Black Watch", and you'll start noticing all of the references.

Not a criticism, just a funny aside.

As to how the will play? They read like a nice pair of scissors in a rock, paper, scissors game. Curtain builds will get spammed, like max Frag Cannons and Cyclone Thunder-Shield Termies. The new Flyer is pretty neat, and actually seems to be worth taking. Looks pretty solid for an expensive-Marine army.

SJ

TBF, DW came way before GoT, but the current fluff might have grabbed some stuff from GoT.

 Selym wrote:

Solidcrash wrote:
Does it platform better or is it just space marine with sliver arm?

Dunno what you mean by "platform", but the standard Deathwatch marines are Sternguard with extra re-rolls and a host of cool wargear options.

Worth it if you know what you need out of the unit, imo.

You got it right in first place...
Compare deathwatch with sternguard I mean. With add on re-roll and cool wargear which is neat.

Which is cheaper? Shield of Baal data sheet - Archangels Sanguine Wing formation is most cheaper I think so.

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Codex Deathwatch reads like GW is trying to cash in on the Game of Thrones craze. Just replace "Deathwatch" with "Black Watch", and you'll start noticing all of the references.

Not a criticism, just a funny aside.

As to how the will play? They read like a nice pair of scissors in a rock, paper, scissors game. Curtain builds will get spammed, like max Frag Cannons and Cyclone Thunder-Shield Termies. The new Flyer is pretty neat, and actually seems to be worth taking. Looks pretty solid for an expensive-Marine army.

SJ

In fairness, nods to (or incorporation of) other elements of the outside world has been a part of gw's writing style from the beginning. Nagash as Sauron, the writing of Joseph Konrad in the Night Lords, Rock City as The Rock, Maggie Thatcher as Ghazkull Thrakka are just a couple of examples off the top of my head, so there is a good chance that you are right.

 JamesY wrote:
Maggie Thatcher as Ghazkull Thrakka are just a couple of examples off the top of my head, so there is a good chance that you are right.

U wot m8?

 Selym wrote:

 JamesY wrote:
Maggie Thatcher as Ghazkull Thrakka are just a couple of examples off the top of my head, so there is a good chance that you are right.

U wot m8?

I don't believe much from Andy in fairness. I'd only accept any truth on that front from Rick himself.

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Codex Deathwatch reads like GW is trying to cash in on the Game of Thrones craze. Just replace "Deathwatch" with "Black Watch", and you'll start noticing all of the references.

Other than similar names (because George R.R. Martin definitely invented the concept of referring to a group who stands guard as "The Watch"), what other parallels are you seeing?

 EnTyme wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Codex Deathwatch reads like GW is trying to cash in on the Game of Thrones craze. Just replace "Deathwatch" with "Black Watch", and you'll start noticing all of the references.

Other than similar names (because George R.R. Martin definitely invented the concept of referring to a group who stands guard as "The Watch"), what other parallels are you seeing?

Not sure if sarcasm, but:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42nd_Regiment_of_Foot wrote:The 42nd (Royal Highland) Regiment of Foot was a Scottish infantry regiment in the British Army also known as the Black Watch.

 Selym wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Codex Deathwatch reads like GW is trying to cash in on the Game of Thrones craze. Just replace "Deathwatch" with "Black Watch", and you'll start noticing all of the references.

Other than similar names (because George R.R. Martin definitely invented the concept of referring to a group who stands guard as "The Watch"), what other parallels are you seeing?

Not sure if sarcasm, but:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42nd_Regiment_of_Foot wrote:The 42nd (Royal Highland) Regiment of Foot was a Scottish infantry regiment in the British Army also known as the Black Watch.

It was sarcasm. The primary argument for "GW ripped off GoT" seems to be "Both their names contain the word 'watch' " even though there really aren't many other similarities that I can see.

Yes. It's a good codex.

While the individual units are potent, they still end up with a low model count and that carries it's own issues. They are basically ano there rendition of the Grey Knights. Small units that pack a punch.

Hmm. I really wish I weren't broke right now. I love the idea of a more-elite marine force, but what little I've heard about the book makes me think that they're basically just points-inefficient toolboxes with Preferred Enemy (Force Org Slot).

Would these guys work well if I wanted to reflect, for instance, an Alpha Legion strikeforce doing a black ops attack?