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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Not with the stuff that's in it. It has everything I expected which is all the new stuff put into one package. Which is nice. <br /> <br /> I'm disappointed that these "updated data sheets" are pretty much not there. Scouts? Still <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> 3 but cost the same as Vanilla. Termies haven't gone down to vanilla point costs. Vanguard still have to pay original power weapon cost. That's just naming a few. <br /> <br /> What the hell? Was it just a lazy reprint? Did they make a mistake and forgot to put in the new costs and stuff? This really sucks if it's intensional because it means they're still not up to date with every other marine codex...<br /> <br /> They haven't even updated the Dreadnaughts attacks to 4 base (which they said they got in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>). <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>... What are you doing?]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ It's abundantly clear that none of the rules writers give a damn about <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span>.  They just want to push out the book marketing asked for and go back to the armies they actually like.]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I though scouts were always bs3 did i miss somthing?<br /> <br /> Also its been the status quo for them to have interns copy pasta all the things without really checking. ]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Yeah, check the vanilla Dex. Scouts have BS4 now. <br /> <br /> And yeah I really hope so. I really hope things have actually been updated and this isn't the final update, because nothing has been updated except for Grav-Cannons being a thing. In fact, this book even says that Heavy Flamers are Sternguard only haha. <br /> <br /> Good job <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>. I seriously hope that this wasn't what they intended]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 16 Sep 2016 18:57:01]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Tiberius501]]></author>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/89ba10f0d256d09fa333e8dd2d4885e5.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8906839.page"><b>Desubot wrote:</b></a><br/>I though scouts were always bs3 did i miss somthing?<br /> <br /> Also its been the status quo for them to have interns copy pasta all the things without really checking. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The most recent Space Marine codex has them BS4.<br /> <br /> The Traitor's Hate book has a box that allows Predators and Vindicators to be taken in squadrons of 1-3, like the Space Marine codex. <br /> <br /> They could have chosen to bump scouts to BS4, Dreadnought attacks to 4, and fix some points.  But they did not.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 16 Sep 2016 18:57:12]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Sounds like the tail is wagging yet the head doesn't know. Do these chaps even read their own rules?<br /> <br /> Serious consistency and quality control issues clearly need to be addressed if <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> want the fanbase to believe they give a feth other than for your hard earned.<br /> <br /> ....and get spellcheck <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>, the number of typos you see in codices is mad.]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/89ba10f0d256d09fa333e8dd2d4885e5.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8906839.page"><b>Desubot wrote:</b></a><br/>I though scouts were always bs3 did i miss somthing?<br /> <br /> Also its been the status quo for them to have interns copy pasta all the things without really checking. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> For 5th and 6th you would be correct, for 4th and 7th Scouts atleast for everyone who aren't Blood Angels are <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> and WS4.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:14:39]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Well, it seems odd giving Scouts BS3 in light of the Draft <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>:<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:19:04]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Then it most likely is just the people writing the codex being lazy and not putting in the right info. <br /> <br /> I really hope so haha and I hope they update it with the right info soon. It was a $70 Ebook in Aus... ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:21:07]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ On the other hand, it's a draft <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>.]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Yeah the tank squadrons are in here. So they've updated some things it seems]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:28:07]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I do find it funny that they pride themselves on what they put out, charge an arm and a leg for it, but can't bother to clarify things before releasing it or put the effort in to maybe readjusting some things since it, you know, gives them a perfect opportunity to do so.  Each of these supplements could have updated datasheets for units that need adjustments or stat change, actually try to fix the game's issues.<br /> <br /> Instead it's just lazy throw some stuff in, add another couple formations, slap a $50 price tag on and it along with a $150+ collector's edition, and move on.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:30:32]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Wayniac]]></author>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/ce6a20f6f111222556e4518f58235033.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8906903.page"><b>alanmckenzie wrote:</b></a><br/>On the other hand, it's a draft <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>.</div></blockquote><br /> It makes more sense that its just a bad cut and paste job rather than a deliberate change to the draft <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>.  With the way production works, I wouldn't be surprised if Angel's Blade was written before the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> was.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:35:03]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Ghaz]]></author>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/61329169faf765a42754bd489768d085.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8906919.page"><b>Ghaz wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/ce6a20f6f111222556e4518f58235033.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8906903.page"><b>alanmckenzie wrote:</b></a><br/>On the other hand, it's a draft <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>.</div></blockquote><br /> It makes more sense that its just a bad cut and paste job rather than a deliberate change to the draft <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>.  With the way production works, I wouldn't be surprised if Angel's Blade was written before the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> was.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well I'll be getting the Angel's Blade hard back on Monday so I'll get to see how it compares with the Red Thirst edition codex. If anyone gets it before me, let me know how they compare]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:38:20]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Tiberius501]]></author>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/61329169faf765a42754bd489768d085.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8906919.page"><b>Ghaz wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/ce6a20f6f111222556e4518f58235033.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8906903.page"><b>alanmckenzie wrote:</b></a><br/>On the other hand, it's a draft <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>.</div></blockquote><br /> It makes more sense that its just a bad cut and paste job rather than a deliberate change to the draft <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>.  With the way production works, I wouldn't be surprised if Angel's Blade was written before the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> was.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm not suggesting the draft <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>faq</span> has been changed, I'm saying the draft <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>faq</span> is a draft. The final <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>faq</span> hasn't been issued. Therefore I wouldn't have expected any of the <i>proposed</i> changes to be reflected in digital supplements yet.<br /> <br /> If they update the digital supplements when the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>faqs</span> have been finalised and published, then that's what they'll do.  <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ alanmckenzie - the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> portion is a draft, but the Errata is listed as official.  I think Ghaz is right.  They probably sent the book to print before the Errata was released.]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I thought it was only the dreadnought attacks errata which had been made official?<br /> <br /> Was under the impression that it's the only official errata so far.<br /> <br /> Edit. They've definitely sent the book to print before the draft <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>faq</span> was released.]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> says scouts are 4, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> says all Marines dreads/brutes are equally fighty. That's some horsegak for a $50 book]]></description>
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				<title>Re:So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ like mentioned above: I'm 90% sure that this book was sent to be printed before the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> brought everyone's scouts/dreads to the same level.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Why I am not realy surprised.....<br /> The other books will be probably the same.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ What about the points costs for power weapons for vanguard and termies not being brought up to date as well? <br /> <br /> I'd laugh pretty hard if they printed this book before they even considered actually updating everything haha]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Tiberius501]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Not lending much credit to the idea that Roundtree was gonna get the company turned around. We're starting to hit the point where any blame can no longer be placed on Kirby.<br /> <br /> If this kind of shenanigans doesn't stop soon <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> is not gonna be able to recover]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/741047c90bb787ecc9f836e6984386e2.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8907714.page"><b>MrMoustaffa wrote:</b></a><br/>Not lending much credit to the idea that Roundtree was gonna get the company turned around. We're starting to hit the point where any blame can no longer be placed on Kirby.<br /> <br /> If this kind of shenanigans doesn't stop soon <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> is not gonna be able to recover</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Welcome to how chaos players feel]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ WOW! Blood Angels deserve much more justice, this is an absolute joke. <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8907736.page"><b>Brutallica wrote:</b></a><br/>WOW! Blood Angels deserve much more justice, this is an absolute joke. <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I totally agree. After being the Marine underdog for a long time they deserve a lot better than a half assed "update". <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e70b9e14727be8f694a76eba947954bf.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8907726.page"><b>Motograter wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/741047c90bb787ecc9f836e6984386e2.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8907714.page"><b>MrMoustaffa wrote:</b></a><br/>Not lending much credit to the idea that Roundtree was gonna get the company turned around. We're starting to hit the point where any blame can no longer be placed on Kirby.<br /> <br /> If this kind of shenanigans doesn't stop soon <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> is not gonna be able to recover</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Welcome to how chaos players feel</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah I feel chaos player's pain now haha. It really sucks]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Wait a sec, the order that the documents are released matters.<br /> <br /> 1. So, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span> Codex comes out first, has BS3 scouts.<br /> <br /> 2. Then, Angel's Blade comes out, no revision on scouts.<br /> The combined digital version is just <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span> codex + Angel's blade, so scouts and dreads are not updated.<br /> <br /> 3. At some point, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> will be finalized and released.  Then, that will supercede all the predecessors, updating scouts and dreads.<br /> <br /> At that point, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span> scouts will be officially BS4 for good, because it patches the codex (both the original and combined editions) <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">  Til 8e...]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/9af500060f50ff35eb7ee790e4e5e62f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8907878.page"><b>Talys wrote:</b></a><br/>Wait a sec, the order that the documents are released matters.<br /> <br /> 1. So, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span> Codex comes out first, has BS3 scouts.<br /> <br /> 2. Then, Angel's Blade comes out, no revision on scouts.<br /> The combined digital version is just <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span> codex + Angel's blade, so scouts and dreads are not updated.<br /> <br /> 3. At some point, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> will be finalized and released.  Then, that will supercede all the predecessors, updating scouts and dreads.<br /> <br /> At that point, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span> scouts will be officially BS4 for good, because it patches the codex (both the original and combined editions) <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">  Til 8e...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah but that doesn't work for the termies still being over priced and stuff unfortunately, so some things still won't be fixed :/]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ At least its not the Tyranid-(HAHA!) <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(121);'>SoB</span>-(Whats that?) or <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(15);'>BT</span>-(See <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(121);'>SoB</span>)treatment.....<br /> ]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Man the Black Templars got royally screwed haha. I admit that they were treated even worse than Blood Angels and I highly respect anyone who sticks with them. I've never really looked into nids but I've heard they drew the short straw too. <br /> <br /> I'd personally like Blood Angels to play something like the Dark Eldar or Militarum Tempestus. Fast and hit like super sonic hammers but, if not played right, get tabled quickly. Risk and reward, intense and quick. All about well timed charges into combat from well placed positions]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Its still not the time to unshelve my shelved <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span>.]]></description>
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				<title>Re:So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Yeah...total bullcrap.   2 formations that allow powerful dedicated assault units to charge after deep strike in no way make up for the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> of some scouts I'll never expect to do anything other than hide and score an objective.  <br /> <br /> /sarcasm off<br /> <br /> As for whatever price difference those terminators have....I'm sure their marime equivalents would definitely pay it to gain the assault after deep strike ability.  So what are we complaing about again?  ]]></description>
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				<title>Re:So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Hey guys,<br /> <br /> Any reason I shouldn't buy this over the new Angels Blade book?  It's cheaper on iTunes, so I am suspicious I would miss out on something.<br /> <br /> Thanks!]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Angel's Blade comes with all the new narrative stuff. <br /> <br /> If you don't care about that, just get this instead <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/ce7110d74e2e17042eaa02990d8af213.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8908179.page"><b>Voidwraith wrote:</b></a><br/>Yeah...total bullcrap.   2 formations that allow powerful dedicated assault units to charge after deep strike in no way make up for the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> of some scouts I'll never expect to do anything other than hide and score an objective.  <br /> <br /> /sarcasm off<br /> <br /> As for whatever price difference those terminators have....I'm sure their marime equivalents would definitely pay it to gain the assault after deep strike ability.  So what are we complaing about again?  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah I know. It's awesome haha. I just wanted to whinge because I was excited that they said they were updating the data sheets. I had thought that they'd bring us up to vanilla standards but they didn't. A couple of the formations, like that one, are pretty cool though]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Tiberius501]]></author>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8908046.page"><b>Tiberius501 wrote:</b></a><br/>Man the Black Templars got royally screwed haha. I admit that they were treated even worse than Blood Angels and I highly respect anyone who sticks with them. I've never really looked into nids but I've heard they drew the short straw too. <br /> <br /> I'd personally like Blood Angels to play something like the Dark Eldar or Militarum Tempestus. Fast and hit like super sonic hammers but, if not played right, get tabled quickly. Risk and reward, intense and quick. All about well timed charges into combat from well placed positions</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Our <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> unit is great. Just pay a 5% point tax to cover your troops and throw as many down as possible. You're still 50/50 on losing to most other modern codexes. <br /> <br /> But on the subject, I am going to agree with the sentiment that the book was printed well before the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>.]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ It's just like the Daemon "update" if you already have the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span> get angel's blade instead.  The new digital codex isn't a new book it's just a combined book.  It's like they did with Tau (though granted Tau got more reworked units and wargear update)<br /> <br /> With all the rumours of the next addition round the corner it would actually make sense for once that they don't do any new codexes until after it comes out.]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/741047c90bb787ecc9f836e6984386e2.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8907714.page"><b>MrMoustaffa wrote:</b></a><br/>Not lending much credit to the idea that Roundtree was gonna get the company turned around. We're starting to hit the point where any blame can no longer be placed on Kirby.<br /> <br /> If this kind of shenanigans doesn't stop soon <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> is not gonna be able to recover</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah people got their hopes up prematurely I think.]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ If you don't play with nerfed magic (ie electrodisplacement, worldscape), this is still a very powerful faction compared to many of the factions without those skills.<br /> <br /> There are good opportunities to deep strike a durable psyker (like a libby dread), and excellent swaps within the codex for electrodisplacement.  Or if you want to ally, you can swap in a charging Knight on T1. <br /> <br /> I think that vanilla is still significantly more powerful and offers more playable options (Skyhammer, Centurions, Gladius, etc.), but this is a big step -- at least Blood Angels have some interesting play options that aren't totally gimped.  I for one, will enjoy trying out the Lucifer tank formation,  Archangels force, Golden Host, 10th company, and Deathcurion -- because I already have all those models anyhow.<br /> <br /> By the time I explore the options available in Angel's blade, 8th edition will be out, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>LOL</span>.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Talys]]></author>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8906831.page"><b>Tiberius501 wrote:</b></a><br/>I'm disappointed that these "updated data sheets" are pretty much not there.</div></blockquote><br /> Where is the expectation of 'updated data sheets' coming from? The product description(s) doesn't make any claim of 'updated data sheets' - just <a href="https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Codex-Blood-Angels-Red-Thirst-Edition-IPAD" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><i>'...combines the content of Codex: Blood Angels with the new Blood Angels rules from Black Crusade: Traitor's Hate'</i></a>.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Lord Damocles]]></author>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e70b9e14727be8f694a76eba947954bf.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8907726.page"><b>Motograter wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/741047c90bb787ecc9f836e6984386e2.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8907714.page"><b>MrMoustaffa wrote:</b></a><br/>Not lending much credit to the idea that Roundtree was gonna get the company turned around. We're starting to hit the point where any blame can no longer be placed on Kirby.<br /> <br /> If this kind of shenanigans doesn't stop soon <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> is not gonna be able to recover</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Welcome to how chaos players feel</div></blockquote><br /> Yeah but don't forget every single Chaos complaint is just whining from entitled babies who want 3.5 overpowered lists, whilst every single loyalist Space Marine complaint is 110% valid and should be acknowledged as gospel because of the current power level of Tau and Eldar.]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/1e350d0aeddc9c1d7601f6bcafbf8989.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8908590.page"><b>Lord Damocles wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8906831.page"><b>Tiberius501 wrote:</b></a><br/>I'm disappointed that these "updated data sheets" are pretty much not there.</div></blockquote><br /> Where is the expectation of 'updated data sheets' coming from? The product description(s) doesn't make any claim of 'updated data sheets' - just <a href="https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Codex-Blood-Angels-Red-Thirst-Edition-IPAD" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><i>'...combines the content of Codex: Blood Angels with the new Blood Angels rules from Black Crusade: Traitor's Hate'</i></a>.</div></blockquote><br /> Maybe it's the errata <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> made which really should have been included.]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/9af500060f50ff35eb7ee790e4e5e62f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8907878.page"><b>Talys wrote:</b></a><br/>Wait a sec, the order that the documents are released matters.<br /> <br /> 1. So, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span> Codex comes out first, has BS3 scouts.<br /> <br /> 2. Then, Angel's Blade comes out, no revision on scouts.<br /> The combined digital version is just <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span> codex + Angel's blade, so scouts and dreads are not updated.<br /> <br /> 3. At some point, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> will be finalized and released.  Then, that will supercede all the predecessors, updating scouts and dreads.<br /> <br /> At that point, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span> scouts will be officially BS4 for good, because it patches the codex (both the original and combined editions) <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">  Til 8e...</div></blockquote><br /> *Sigh*<br /> Obviously you cant read, on the Picture above it says 'ERRATA' not 'Draft <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>'<br /> Errata=Official, MUST be used<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> Draft=Not Official, Does not have to be used<br /> <br /> You're just handicapping yourself]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/412e638e560b1410a17607da920e566e.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8908815.page"><b>commander dante wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/9af500060f50ff35eb7ee790e4e5e62f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8907878.page"><b>Talys wrote:</b></a><br/>Wait a sec, the order that the documents are released matters.<br /> <br /> 1. So, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span> Codex comes out first, has BS3 scouts.<br /> <br /> 2. Then, Angel's Blade comes out, no revision on scouts.<br /> The combined digital version is just <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span> codex + Angel's blade, so scouts and dreads are not updated.<br /> <br /> 3. At some point, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> will be finalized and released.  Then, that will supercede all the predecessors, updating scouts and dreads.<br /> <br /> At that point, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span> scouts will be officially BS4 for good, because it patches the codex (both the original and combined editions) <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">  Til 8e...</div></blockquote><br /> *Sigh*<br /> Obviously you cant read, on the Picture above it says 'ERRATA' not 'Draft <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>'<br /> Errata=Official, MUST be used<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> Draft=Not Official, Does not have to be used<br /> <br /> You're just handicapping yourself</div></blockquote><br /> Notice the difference between the 'Errata' for the Scouts and the 'Official Errata' for the Dreadnoughts.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Ghaz]]></author>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/412e638e560b1410a17607da920e566e.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8908815.page"><b>commander dante wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/9af500060f50ff35eb7ee790e4e5e62f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8907878.page"><b>Talys wrote:</b></a><br/>Wait a sec, the order that the documents are released matters.<br /> <br /> 1. So, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span> Codex comes out first, has BS3 scouts.<br /> <br /> 2. Then, Angel's Blade comes out, no revision on scouts.<br /> The combined digital version is just <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span> codex + Angel's blade, so scouts and dreads are not updated.<br /> <br /> 3. At some point, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> will be finalized and released.  Then, that will supercede all the predecessors, updating scouts and dreads.<br /> <br /> At that point, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span> scouts will be officially BS4 for good, because it patches the codex (both the original and combined editions) <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">  Til 8e...</div></blockquote><br /> *Sigh*<br /> Obviously you cant read, on the Picture above it says 'ERRATA' not 'Draft <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>'<br /> Errata=Official, MUST be used<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> Draft=Not Official, Does not have to be used<br /> <br /> You're just handicapping yourself</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> We play with all the errata/draft <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>faq</span> as if they were final.  "Obviously" it's gonna happen sometime, but I suppose the issue is that not all factions have been <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>'d, so it's not "fair" in some contexts to play a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>'ed faction against an unFAQ'ed (or errata or whatever).  <br /> <br /> However, I don't believe any of it is published to the RULES ERRATA page on <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>'s website yet, so it's not technically "official".  I'm referring to this:<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Rules-Errata" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Rules-Errata</a><br /> <br /> My point is simply that the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>, which will contain the Errata, when finalized and released on <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>'s website will supercede the Angel's Blade supplement or the Red Thirst version of the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span> Codex, because it will have a later date stamp. <br /> <br /> <br /> On the point of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> vs Errata -- the reason it says Errata instead of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> is because <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> is saying it's a rebalance rather than answering a question (there is no question).  It seems that all the straight up rebalance issues (change of attacks, stats, etc) are labelled Errata.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 18 Sep 2016 00:43:22]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Nobody really made a fuss that Space Wolf Scouts are still elites, cost the same as a tactical marine, and are inferior to vanilla scouts in basically every way. But still the lack of quality control and effort put out by <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>'s rules department is disgusting. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> puts a high standard on quality and customer service and yet their rules department puts out material that is embarrassingly lazy, is objectively bad at any achieving any semblance of game balance/design, and they have the nerve to charge $50 for this gak (and we are the idiots that pay for it). ]]></description>
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				<title>Re:So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8908195.page"><b>StayThirstySD wrote:</b></a><br/>Hey guys,<br /> <br /> Any reason I shouldn't buy this over the new Angels Blade book?  It's cheaper on iTunes, so I am suspicious I would miss out on something.<br /> <br /> Thanks!</div></blockquote><br /> I'd buy the books as you can sell them if wanted.]]></description>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ More likely than not, the book was being printed before the Draft <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> was even released. It takes them a few days to write up a draft <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>, but months has to go in to their printed books and ebooks, even when it's just copying in updated rules to an existing book. It's also worth remembering it's two seperate departments writing the rules and the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQs</span>.<br /> <br /> Still pretty lazy, but that's orobably the reason unfortunately. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 19 Sep 2016 09:18:36]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8906896.page"><b>Tiberius501 wrote:</b></a><br/>Then it most likely is just the people writing the codex being lazy and not putting in the right info. <br /> <br /> I really hope so haha and I hope they update it with the right info soon. It was a $70 Ebook in Aus... </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> was done when? Printed book was finalized months ago so if <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> came out in like summer way too late for printed book...<br /> <br /> Oh and as for errata being MUST be used...HAHAHA.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 19 Sep 2016 10:18:17]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/9af500060f50ff35eb7ee790e4e5e62f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8908883.page"><b>Talys wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> However, I don't believe any of it is published to the RULES ERRATA page on <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>'s website yet, so it's not technically "official".  I'm referring to this:<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Rules-Errata" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Rules-Errata</a><br /> <br /> My point is simply that the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>, which will contain the Errata, when finalized and released on <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span>'s website will supercede the Angel's Blade supplement or the Red Thirst version of the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(10);'>BA</span> Codex, because it will have a later date stamp.</div></blockquote><br /> That's a good point on getting the timestamps to line up, actually.<br /> <br /> Though I'm pretty sure changes made via errata become official as soon as they are published, in any shape or form, whether or not they're on that page - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> took flak for putting them out over facebook for that exact reason.<br /> <br /> It doesn't help that they wrote them cack-handedly, though - whereas the scouts and Cassor changes state to 'replace' a value, generic dreads get 'add 2' which ties them to the old, incorrect version.<br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8910833.page"><b>diepotato47 wrote:</b></a><br/>It takes them a few days to write up a draft <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>, but months has to go in to their printed books and ebooks, even when it's just copying in updated rules to an existing book. It's also worth remembering it's two seperate departments writing the rules and the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQs</span>.<br /> <br /> Still pretty lazy, but that's orobably the reason unfortunately. </div></blockquote><br /> It took me less than 3 minutes to edit/correct my Red Thirst edition epub. Can see why dreads were left the way they were, but there's no excuse for the scout changes not being made to the electronic books.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 19 Sep 2016 10:55:41]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Unfortunately not, the if the print rules didn't match the electronic rules there'd be a rampage. And yes, they could release an <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> to match the print rules, but as mentioned, it's two seperate teams writing the rules and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQs</span>]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ diepotato47]]></author>
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				<title>Re:So I just got the Red Thirst BAngel codex... (Disappointed)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/61329169faf765a42754bd489768d085.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/702661/8906890.page"><b>Ghaz wrote:</b></a><br/>Well, it seems odd giving Scouts BS3 in light of the Draft <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>:<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Wow, this is really pathetic ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 20 Sep 2016 12:39:35]]> GMT</pubDate>
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